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6.5 Creedmoor

RL16 is more temp insensitive then H4350. I prefer it over H4350 or just about any powder for the 6.5CM. Plus you get a speed boost with it over H4350. 100+ FPS is not uncommon when comparing the 2 loads at full boogie loads.
I use a lot of rl16 and h4350 with 6.5 cm. The velocity thing is definitely true, however, I also find rl16 to be less temperature sensitive. However, both are great in this department.

H4350 is definitely cleaner than rl16. I get similar accuracy with both using 140s.
 
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RL16 is more temp insensitive then H4350. I prefer it over H4350 or just about any powder for the 6.5CM. Plus you get a speed boost with it over H4350. 100+ FPS is not uncommon when comparing the 2 loads at full boogie loads.
You’re right, I was thinking RL17. Most reloader powders are unobtanium around me so I haven’t tried any of them except some RL22 I found to try in 300wm.
 
I use a lot of rl16 and h4350 with 6.5 cm. The velocity thing is definitely true, however, I also find rl16 to be less temperature sensitive. However, both are great in this department.

H4350 is definitely cleaner than rl16. I get similar accuracy with both using 140s.
My current barrel has been nothing but H4350 and 140gr ELDMs. Barrel slowed down a bit from 2800 to about 2750. The other week I did a quick work up on RL16 was hitting around 2845 FPS and not even pushing it that hard. I'm almost positive you can fill it up to the top, slam a 140gr bullet in there and not get pressure with RL16. I'm trying to use up my H4350 then I might dig into my RL16 stockpile. It doesn't come around often and now it's crazy expensive.
 
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My current barrel has been nothing but H4350 and 140gr ELDMs. Barrel slowed down a bit from 2800 to about 2750. The other week I did a quick work up on RL16 was hitting around 2845 FPS and not even pushing it that hard. I'm almost positive you can fill it up to the top, slam a 140gr bullet in there and not get pressure with RL16. I'm trying to use up my H4350 then I might dig into my RL16 stockpile. It doesn't come around often and now it's crazy expensive.
I just opened my last 8 lb container of rl16 today. Like you, I was getting close to 2,850 in a 24" AI without reaching book max.

I use Berger 140 grain hybrids and Lapua brass, I've had the best results between 2,770 and 2,800. Going to finish tweaking this load tomorrow, this new lot is a little bit faster than the old lot.
 
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I think my current barrel is kinda fast. I was able to get 144s up to 2800 with h4350 and it's only a 24" barrel.

Now that I've acquired reloder 16, I think it opens up the possibility of using 153s since the powder can kinda make up for some of the loss with my short barrel.
 
RL16 is more temp insensitive then H4350.

I would argue that having used H4350 a lot in a long different temps. H4350 is the standard for temp stability so there will be no huge gain, if any, going to RL16.

Searching around test data shows the numbers per degree to be lower with H4350 but RL16 is also low so either will work but I would not call RL16 more temp sensitive.
 
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Just curious if your powder charge of 34.2gr is a typo... the start load in Hornady's #11 is 37.3gr, and 38gr on the Hodgdon web site for the 147gr ELD-M.
not a typo, I got the data from Hornady online app. They said max is 43.8, I kept going up till I had Pressure signs, I was able to get it as far as 44.5 before the groups blew out and the bolt handle got real tight. I have found that the Berger 140 VLD does better groups and I can get 2900fps + with the same charge.
 
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So, been loading for a while now but new to 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the first cartridge that i've bought dies with a bushing for neck sizing. Brass is brand new Lapua large primer. Unfired out of the box the neck O.D. measures .2900" to .2895" across 10 samples. I don't have gauges but the neck wall measures .014 so .0140x2=.028. neck O.D. of .2895" minus wall thickness x 2 (.0280) equals .2615. projectile diameter of .264 minus neck I.D. of .2615" looks like neck tension of .0025". I'm guessing the neck die bushings to buy first would be .290" and .289" Hornady dies look about $36 each so trying to buy what I need. Thanks
 
So, been loading for a while now but new to 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the first cartridge that i've bought dies with a bushing for neck sizing. Brass is brand new Lapua large primer. Unfired out of the box the neck O.D. measures .2900" to .2895" across 10 samples. I don't have gauges but the neck wall measures .014 so .0140x2=.028. neck O.D. of .2895" minus wall thickness x 2 (.0280) equals .2615. projectile diameter of .264 minus neck I.D. of .2615" looks like neck tension of .0025". I'm guessing the neck die bushings to buy first would be .290" and .289" Hornady dies look about $36 each so trying to buy what I need. Thanks

Seat a bullet and measure the OD of the neck and subtract .002” and go with that.
 
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not a typo, I got the data from Hornady online app. They said max is 43.8, I kept going up till I had Pressure signs, I was able to get it as far as 44.5 before the groups blew out and the bolt handle got real tight. I have found that the Berger 140 VLD does better groups and I can get 2900fps + with the same charge.

Thanks for the info. I was just thinking that you might have intended to type 44.2gr rather than 34.2gr. 2900+ fps is excellent!

I'm using the 140gr ELD-M in my 22" barrel, and managed a 5 shot average of 2738 fps with 44gr of StaBALL 6.5. I had no pressure signs at 44gr, which is max on the Hodgdon site. I haven't tried a higher charge. I'm using Starline brass and CCI 200 LRP.

Forgot to mention I'm seating to 2.83" COAL.
 
Actually, I just looked up some posted benchrest records across a few easily researched links.

Looks like the current 300 international benchrest record for (10) shots at 300 yards is .669 in HB class. That's 1.5x the size of the (20) shot group a few posts ago!

So @Ex E6 brotha...you might want to be investing in attending some various matches with your Aero build. Chances are you can not only be the next record holder, but also get paid for it. Or maybe you could post some videos and teach the rest of us your secrets. Ain't nobody else here can throw 20 rounds into a .139 MOA group!
Apparently there is no response from the world record holder on this matter?
 
Apparently there is no response from the world record holder on this matter?

He called me a pig farmer when I pointed out his feats again in another thread. :LOL:

If you read on for another page's worth from where you found my post, you'll see he digs it deeper.

Integrity is one of those very few intangible traits you can't have taken from you, but you can freely give it away and never get it back.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but you also can't allow BS to go unchallenged. People come here to legitimately learn... I'm one of them.
 
He called me a pig farmer when I pointed out his feats again in another thread. :LOL:

If you read on for another page's worth from where you found my post, you'll see he digs it deeper.

Integrity is one of those very few intangible traits you can't have taken from you, but you can freely give it away and never get it back.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but you also can't allow BS to go unchallenged. People come here to legitimately learn... I'm one of them.
Oh, I’m definitely on your side of things. The dude is a crackpot, obviously. Or, as he might put it, that is what it seems to Me.
 
I bought a box of Sierra match kings in 142g (I'm used to SMK .308 in 175g, man theyre long!) and seated one. It went up to .2925" but the bullet was super hard to seat so I think I'm gonna start with .291 for .0015" neck tension. Thanks for the help.
there will likely be some spring back after sizing, FYI. I just switched over to Lapua brass, mine was like .003-.0035 neck tension as virgin brass and was seating hard and when I pulled it there was pretty decent scraping down the bullet. I ran a .2625 mandrel on them all and put me at .002” neck tension.
 
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I bought a box of Sierra match kings in 142g (I'm used to SMK .308 in 175g, man theyre long!) and seated one. It went up to .2925" but the bullet was super hard to seat so I think I'm gonna start with .291 for .0015" neck tension. Thanks for the help.

New brass will be harder to seat as there is no fouling in the neck to act as a little lube. I have never seen spring back with my brass but if buying bushings you should probably get a .291 and a .290 as you will probably find a need for both depending on the brass lots and makes.
 
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Seeking load data with Staball 6.5 and 153.5 Bergers in Starline brass.
If you were to workup a ladder load in .5gn increments for 6.5CM what would your window be?
Start at 38.0gn and go up to ???

I just did this with a new barrel using:
H4350 and Berger 140s and got heavy bolt lift around 41.5

I will try to get speeds this time around as well.
 
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Question regarding the Hodgdon loading data. I entered 140g bullet and it gives a max load of 40.0gr. I'm using 1x fired Hornady brass for the time being as I had over 1500 pieces. Most of the load data I found was using over 41 grains, I have been using 41.2 for the last couple hundred rounds. The data Hodgdon gives seems low or am I most likely using too much powder. I'm averaging about 2805fps with a suppressor (less without) and nice grouping so pretty happy with the results. But, I'm new to reloading so lots to learn. Using H4350 and Berger 140g hybrid target.
 
Question regarding the Hodgdon loading data. I entered 140g bullet and it gives a max load of 40.0gr. I'm using 1x fired Hornady brass for the time being as I had over 1500 pieces. Most of the load data I found was using over 41 grains, I have been using 41.2 for the last couple hundred rounds. The data Hodgdon gives seems low or am I most likely using too much powder. I'm averaging about 2805fps with a suppressor (less without) and nice grouping so pretty happy with the results. But, I'm new to reloading so lots to learn. Using H4350 and Berger 140g hybrid target.

So most reloading data from a manufacturer is going to be conservative for legal reasons.

Hodgdon's listed max 40.0gr load is also listed 59.2K PSI, or about 3K less than max SAAMI pressure (and many people will go over that by a bit and still not see pressure).

As long as you aren't seeing ejector marks, smears and otherwise damage to your brass, I think that 41.2 is fine.
 
Question regarding the Hodgdon loading data. I entered 140g bullet and it gives a max load of 40.0gr. I'm using 1x fired Hornady brass for the time being as I had over 1500 pieces. Most of the load data I found was using over 41 grains, I have been using 41.2 for the last couple hundred rounds. The data Hodgdon gives seems low or am I most likely using too much powder. I'm averaging about 2805fps with a suppressor (less without) and nice grouping so pretty happy with the results. But, I'm new to reloading so lots to learn. Using H4350 and Berger 140g hybrid target.
Why your load works and their’s does not at that level, is a question of variables. Many, many variables. Chamber throating, minute differences in the diameter of the barrel, brass internal volume, powder lot, primer. Also, have you cross referenced this load in other manuals? It’s not a “just because” or their data is conservative (which most reloading manuals are a bit conservative) but each and every rifle is an individual. Even if the variables in reloading are brought to a minimal, by using the exact same lot of powder, same type and lot of primer, same lot of brass, still the fellow who chambered your rifle and the fellow (or machine) who drilled and rifled your barrel and of course the chamber reamer are variables that can make a big difference.
 
Question regarding the Hodgdon loading data. I entered 140g bullet and it gives a max load of 40.0gr. I'm using 1x fired Hornady brass for the time being as I had over 1500 pieces. Most of the load data I found was using over 41 grains, I have been using 41.2 for the last couple hundred rounds. The data Hodgdon gives seems low or am I most likely using too much powder. I'm averaging about 2805fps with a suppressor (less without) and nice grouping so pretty happy with the results. But, I'm new to reloading so lots to learn. Using H4350 and Berger 140g hybrid target.

Considering Hornady’s original loading was 41.5grns of H4350 and the 140 AMAX I don’t think you will see a problem with your load. If you aren’t seeing pressure and happy with the performance then I wouldn’t worry about it.
 
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