Ingenuity Powder System
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Are you kidding....they bought JAE and then sat on it for...what, maybe 4-5 years before they released their version and by that time the design was OBE.
There seem to be more agile manf than MDT...and don't get me wrong, I buy product from them. But they sure don't seem fast on the draw.
I have the privilege of shooting with MDT folks who are very close to the product development process, and all I'll say is that there are almost always more considerations to balance than are evident to the consumer.
And yeah in general (my opinions now), big business decisions take time because of the financial risks involved. I get exasperated in my own line of work with that at times, but the implications of a poor choice are big enough that it behooves us to choose slowly and wisely.
Ckyepod, the new carbon fiber bipods, Send-it levels and there are a few others I think I'm missing. Of all of those they increased production once acquired. I'm not too positive production of this IP unit will increase cadence once this first 1,000 or so units goes out given the current history.
If I was going to think of a business that could actually make this product happen, it's would be Area419. They already do reloading equipment.
Only issue comes down to capital and capacity. They already run machines 24/7. Where would something like this fit in. If there is assembly, can the current employees handle the increased assembly demand, would they have to hire more people?
In another related product, the printed precision trickler could probably be handled by MKM. Who also sells some reloading gear. At least that product exists, the only thing that seems to hold him up is the PCB.
Like Area419, do they also have the capital and capacity.
Business exist where these products align. Just don't see this sort of thing happening. Unless maybe it was a joint venture.
Only issue comes down to capital and capacity. They already run machines 24/7. Where would something like this fit in. If there is assembly, can the current employees handle the increased assembly demand, would they have to hire more people?
In another related product, the printed precision trickler could probably be handled by MKM. Who also sells some reloading gear. At least that product exists, the only thing that seems to hold him up is the PCB.
Like Area419, do they also have the capital and capacity.
Business exist where these products align. Just don't see this sort of thing happening. Unless maybe it was a joint venture.
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Yay and nay. My choice on MDT was simply because they already do all the portions of manufacturing to get this accomplished.
- machining
- electronics
- injection molding
They don’t have a reloading line, but could change.
Per Paul the issue in releasing the product, as of mid June, was 3 parts needed to machine. PCBs didn’t seem to be an issue.
If you get a call from a number you don’t notice he will normally hang up and call back immediately and keep it up until you answer
Ha! He did that to me, then sent a text saying, "Ingenuity Precision is trying to call you." I back-dialed the number and he answered, "Oh, now you know who it is." Funny! But yeah, that was nearly two years ago and it isn't funny anymore.
Care to share if it was a delay in machining or an issue machining to the spec he wanted?
Well, he posted that he bought three new CNC machines nearly a year ago to do it all in-house. Interesting, since this was well after several deadlines had already passed.
Yes Paul told me about the machines when I spoke to him a bit ago. Just curious if it’s a time issue (meaning it’s just going slower than he thought) or a technical production issue that he’s having issues resolving.
Please don't misunderstand me....IMO, you have zero responsibility to answer for Paul to us.
But if you spoke to him a "bit ago", did you ask him what was the current long pole in the schedule tent? Or did he mention anything about the "3 parts needing machining" and why that's not progressing?
Thanks...
When I spoke to him, before jthor, all he told me was that he bought three machines to speed up production thats about it. He didnt go into detail and reading the room, I dont think he would have told me anything beyond that.Please don't misunderstand me....IMO, you have zero responsibility to answer for Paul to us.
But if you spoke to him a "bit ago", did you ask him what was the current long pole in the schedule tent? Or did he mention anything about the "3 parts needing machining" and why that's not progressing?
Thanks...
It's probably the 3d printed parts. FDM printing is not that fast even with a fast printer and depending on the build plate size (a common build plate size is 256x256mm, which is a 10" object), he's only going to be able to print a 1 or maybe a couple objects at a time (per printer) with the print time being several hours, so unless he has a print farm of several dozen printers, this is going to be one of his production limitations. My opinion is based off the 3D printed parts posted in this thread and the relative smoothness of it, which is an indication of a smaller nozzle diameter and smaller layer height.
He can increase his production speed by increasing nozzle diameter and increasing layer height but the visual quality of the 3D printed parts would suffer. Can also make minor changes like reducing wall numbers but it would make for a weaker part.
The 3D printed draft shield for example likely takes up an entire build plate without any space left over for a smaller part. The singular draft shield is probably 1-2 hour print time if not longer due to it having angled surfaces. Angled surfaces print at a slower speed than flat vertical or horizontal walls.
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Or send the files STL files to a good 3d printing contract manf.
For the 3d printed parts, he contracted those out.
They would never copy anyone, ever. I mean sure there's the Henderson trimmer and then Horanady's Hinderson trimmer. Cant wait for their Ingeneuine Precision system.
Still nothing.
Wow. It has been so long I couldn’t even remember the name of the company I pre ordered this from. It took forever to find this thread again lol.
Wow. It has been so long I couldn’t even remember the name of the company I pre ordered this from. It took forever to find this thread again lol.
If Hornady’s making their ripoff, Ingenuity’s cooked.
Honestly, I don't understand why, after all these years, RCBS, Redding or Hornady haven't made a simple dispenser system that can use the scientific scales.
That really is all these systems are with their own proprietary app/software. They are hi-speed powder measurers with automatic tricklers.
Yes, I know, it takes effort and design. Which is why I'm surprised they haven't done it
I'm just an old knuckle dragger myself, so wtf do I know
Honestly, I don't understand why, after all these years, RCBS, Redding or Hornady haven't made a simple dispenser system that can use the scientific scales.
That really is all these systems are with their own proprietary app/software. They are hi-speed powder measurers with automatic tricklers.
Yes, I know, it takes effort and design. Which is why I'm surprised they haven't done it
I'm just an old knuckle dragger myself, so wtf do I know
Probably because people like us, who will spend over $500 on just the scale, only make up 5% or less of reloaders. To us, it seems as though everyone is after such a device because we all live in the echo chamber of the hide, but in reality, we are a small subset of high functioning autistic precision minded reloaders.
You’re right.
I taught a class to some senior section guys, and my buddy said “You weaponized autism”
That’s going to be the majority of folks here.
Weaponized Autism is what my work place is full of on a daily basisYou’re right.
I taught a class to some senior section guys, and my buddy said “You weaponized autism”
Thats crazy talk - None of us here would ever weaponize Autism - anyways - back to measuring case rim thickness to 1/2 a ten thou of an inch with my Rabbit Hole Precision gauge. Ok, maybe a little autistic.
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