https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Azov_Corps_(Ukraine)
look at the breakdown of the 12th.
On another note, anyone have any ideas why Ukraine went straight from double strength Brigades to a Corp? Fucking retarded.
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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look at the breakdown of the 12th.
On another note, anyone have any ideas why Ukraine went straight from double strength Brigades to a Corp? Fucking retarded.
If there were English speakers in a small region of Mexico I would not consider them “Americans”, or be for “liberating” them. Oddly, this is a very typical excuse for tyrants across time to invade.
I wonder if you were Russian if you would think the dream of so many former communists (or still communists) to reunify the USSR were neocons?
It’s not all black and white, and the Russian army was like a band of wild picts burning and raping their way across South Ossetia. Russian speaking or not I’m pretty sure their victims would have prefered not to be “liberated” thusly.
But I wasn’t commenting on that, just how unimpressive the Russian Army had proven to be. I certainly don’t want to be enemies with Russia, but they’re not the advanced and modernized force many claim them to be. They look a lot like they have for the last 85 or so years.
I trigger demorat, American value hating snowflakes like you for free. With this thing called the internet you can do it from anywhere, a trench, a Walmart and even your sweat stained couch. The world is truly an amazing place.
Turns out the puccian version of liberation means arresting, torturing, displacing and replacing the local populace if they can bum rush them- or bombing their homes into an uninhabitable unrecognizable moonscape if they can't. I'm sure the Donbas boomers with bad knees and nowhere to go have welcomed being obliterated with artillery as a sweet release from the decadent folds of the nazi Ukrainian regime. Who needs running water or indoor plumbing when you can instead have drunken HIV positive soldiers loot your home and introduce you to lovely Soviet prison culture in your own home!
When the people who live in a place revolt against their government that is generally referred to as a rebellion, revolution, or at least an uprising.
That is very different from an invasion by people who do not live there. That you conflate the two further proves my point.
As far as I know the US government didn’t help them or support them in any way. Or, am I wrong about that?
That is very different from an invasion by people who do not live there. That you conflate the two further proves my point.
As far as I know the US government didn’t help them or support them in any way. Or, am I wrong about that?
What would you call the actual civil war going on there since 2014?
It's not like they just rolled tanks into a utopian wonderland where everyone lived in perfect harmony.
Looks like Russia is holding in this area.
Could you imagine long time Russian Politician in Canada or Mexico speaking about supporting a revolution. Do you think the US Gov would just sit back and do nothing?
The denial we bear or share in responsibility of this conflict is severely disturbing to me, and the amount of people who seemingly dismiss it.
Yes we did assist them and pleged support before Russia moved in.
Could you imagine long time Russian Politician in Canada or Mexico speaking about supporting a revolution. Do you think the US Gov would just sit back and do nothing?
The denial we bear or share in responsibility of this conflict is severely disturbing to me, and the amount of people who seemingly dismiss it.
Zelensky Announces More War! Says Luhansk, Donetsk, Crimea "will be Ukraine again"
Do you think the US military would try to thunder run Mexico city and utterly fail on the battlefield and world stage, lose 1 million soldiers in 3 years, a third of our strategic bomber fleet, lose a Ford class carrier and freedom of navigation in the gulf of Mexico, stall in Juarez and have Russian boomers excitedly reporting that despite taking over 300% casualties we've finally managed to capture Tijuana after reducing it entirely to rubble, while dismantling any non state-approved media outlets and openly murdering any gov official that wasn't hell bent on annexing Mexico?
Pentagon has quietly barred Ukrainian long-range strikes in Russia with US missiles, WSJ reports
The U.S. has quietly implemented a review process giving Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth authority to approve Ukrainian long-range strikes inside Russia with American missiles, effectively blocking strikes for months, the Wall Street Journal reported on Aug. 23.
kyivindependent.com
quietly banning but now quietly re-consideringPentagon has quietly barred Ukrainian long-range strikes in Russia with US missiles, WSJ reports
The U.S. has quietly implemented a review process giving Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth authority to approve Ukrainian long-range strikes inside Russia with American missiles, effectively blocking strikes for months, the Wall Street Journal reported on Aug. 23.
American volunteers went down to Texas to fight with them against Mexico, but our government had zero to do with it. They provided nothing, and even the Texas cannons were bought with private funds, so yea, that was very fucking different. It was not a proxy war between powers, but a very elemental rebellion against a distant and tyrannical central government.
I know people like to believe that it was Russian speakers in Donbas that rose up against Kiev, but I have also seen quite a bit of ink spilled where it is claimed they were Russian troops in civilian cloths who basically seized town halls and police stations. I'm skeptical it was any kind of popular rebellion. But it really doesn't fucking matter. Putin invaded because he could. He's been quite open about wanting to reconstitute the USSR. He considers all of Ukraine his, and I kind of do too. They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.
I don't fucking know, and neither does anyone else. I think I'm in the majority in wanting to stay the fuck out of it, because there aren't any "good guys" to support. There are, however, a shitton of innocent civilians getting pummeled, so I'm with the President on just wanting the killing to stop, on no other grounds but basic humanity. Hopefully he can get it done. If not, oh well, not worth WWIII over it anyway.
I know people like to believe that it was Russian speakers in Donbas that rose up against Kiev, but I have also seen quite a bit of ink spilled where it is claimed they were Russian troops in civilian cloths who basically seized town halls and police stations. I'm skeptical it was any kind of popular rebellion. But it really doesn't fucking matter. Putin invaded because he could. He's been quite open about wanting to reconstitute the USSR. He considers all of Ukraine his, and I kind of do too. They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.
I don't fucking know, and neither does anyone else. I think I'm in the majority in wanting to stay the fuck out of it, because there aren't any "good guys" to support. There are, however, a shitton of innocent civilians getting pummeled, so I'm with the President on just wanting the killing to stop, on no other grounds but basic humanity. Hopefully he can get it done. If not, oh well, not worth WWIII over it anyway.
Putin would agree with you, but the Ukrainians who actually live in Ukraine and are fighting and enduring one way or another, every day wholeheartedly disagree. Turns out an armed populace who doesn't want to bow down to a tyrant and his army of hepatitis positive steppe bros is extremely hard to kill and conquer, whoddathunk it?
That's the way we do it. Lol
You can pay money and go to South America and hunt doves but this is the latest gun game around.
Break out the Krieghoff .
You can pay money and go to South America and hunt doves but this is the latest gun game around.
Break out the Krieghoff .
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It’s because Putin recognized the political move the west helping to push and realized he was about to loose any leverage they had.
Good friend of mine’s, friends father works at the Zaparizhia (spelling)nuclear power plant. No, not everybody in the area supports Russia. I have heard some stories through her about some of the crap going on. And no they were not at all happy about this war.
Funny fact about humans is you can have two identically intelligent persons up to date with news and aware of the buttons and colors. However when you press the blue button person A lifts off into a rage while person B stares flabbergasted wondering who shot out A’s brains out. Well then the brown button goes and person B has a fucking diarrhea of a lifetime and person A is dumbstruck at what just happened. Same shit on this and other threads, people aware of Covid scam fall for Russia 3rd world country about to invade “world” or vice versa. All the while same lying sacks of shit pressing the same set of buttons and people not realizing its all a fucking rigged casino when those who play by its rules always loose.
You haven't paid much attention to US military actions in Central and South American have you.
Currently.
Venezuela Sends 15,000 Troops to Border as US Warships Approach
Venezuela vowed to reinforce security along its border with Colombia as President Donald Trump’s administration sends US warships to the southern Caribbean.
www.bloomberg.com
In the past.
Operation Just Cause | Summary, Panama, Casualties, & Rock Music | Britannica
Operation Just Cause, U.S. military action (December 1989–January 1990) that centred on the invasion of Panama for the purposes of removing Gen. Manuel Noriega, the country’s dictatorial de facto ruler, from power and extraditing him to the U.S. to face charges of drug trafficking and money
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Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian
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Good God people like you are fucking retarded.
Here’s a chronological timeline table of U.S. invasions, coups, or interventions where human rights / democracy was invoked as part of the justification (even if not the real motive):
Year(s) Country Action Justification Cited (Human Rights / Democracy) Outcome 1846–1848 Mexico Mexican–American War Claimed to bring liberty/democracy to annexed lands U.S. seized ~½ of Mexico’s territory 1898 Cuba Spanish–American War Stop Spanish human rights abuses in Cuba Spain defeated, U.S. occupied Cuba 1899–1902 Philippines Philippine–American War “Civilizing mission,” liberating from Spain Brutal counterinsurgency, U.S. colonial rule 1953 Iran CIA coup (Operation Ajax) Deposed “authoritarian” Mossadegh Shah restored, repression worsened 1954 Guatemala CIA coup Claimed Árbenz was communist threat to democracy Military dictatorship installed 1960–65 Congo (DRC) Interference in leadership Prevent authoritarianism/communism Lumumba killed, Mobutu installed 1965 Dominican Republic U.S. invasion Claimed to stop dictatorship, protect democracy U.S. occupation, conservative gov’t 1973 Chile Backed coup against Allende Prevent authoritarianism, “save democracy” Pinochet dictatorship (mass repression) 1983 Grenada Invasion Restore democracy, protect U.S. medical students Pro-U.S. gov’t installed 1989 Panama Invasion Remove Noriega, restore democracy, stop abuses Noriega ousted, heavy civilian casualties 1991 Iraq (Kuwait War) Military campaign Stop Saddam’s atrocities in Kuwait Iraq expelled from Kuwait, Saddam remained 1992–93 Somalia “Operation Restore Hope” Humanitarian famine relief, stop warlords Failed; U.S. withdrew after Black Hawk Down 1994 Haiti Invasion Restore elected President Aristide Aristide reinstated, instability continued 1995 Bosnia NATO/U.S. bombing Stop ethnic cleansing Dayton Peace Accords, fragile peace 1999 Kosovo (Serbia) NATO bombing Stop Serbian ethnic cleansing of Albanians Kosovo autonomy under UN, eventual independence 2001–2021 Afghanistan Invasion/occupation Later reframed as defending women’s rights/democracy Taliban overthrown, later returned to power 2003 Iraq Invasion Claimed WMDs + Saddam’s human rights abuses Saddam ousted, massive instability 2011 Libya NATO bombing Responsibility to Protect (R2P) vs Gaddafi Gaddafi killed, Libya fragmented 2011–present Syria Support for rebels, strikes Assad’s human rights abuses cited War continues, Assad remains
Note: In nearly all cases, U.S. leaders blended humanitarian or democratic language with strategic or economic goals (oil, Cold War rivalry, military positioning, etc.).
The allegation that Russia aims to invade all of Europe and reconstitute the former Soviet Union stems from a superficial or poor understanding of its strategic goals. The most commonly cited “evidence” for such is very loosely inferred from Putin’s 2021 essay on Russian - Ukrainian unity. This is the idea that the Russophobic Western Europe largely subscibes to.
In reality, Russia’s actions are primarily driven by security concerns identical to our own.
In reality, Russia’s actions are primarily driven by security concerns identical to our own.
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Zelensky can have at it, if that's what he chooses to do. We should have no part in it.
If Zelensky refuses to pursue a negotiated settlement with Russia, then USA should refuse to continue to fund an unwinnable war. Ukraine can try to get those regions back without us.
Are we funding it now? I was under the impression we are just selling them weapons now?
Beyond providing weapons (paid for by US taxpayers), we are also funding their government and even teacher salaries over there.
From a December 2024 article here:
"A U.S. official said the funding brings the total in U.S. budget aid to Ukraine to just over $30 billion since Russia's invasion in February 2022. Most of those funds are used to keep Ukraine's government running by paying salaries to teachers and other state employees."
And Ukraine isn't buying shit from us. They don't have any money. Anything we "sell" to them will never be paid back.
It took the USSR 60+ years to pay off WW2 lend-lease. What's the point of having a military industrial complex if i can't watch it demilitarize Russians?
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Yeah that was Biden. I know we were which was one of my biggest issues with it.
I thought Trump flipped the script on that.
Notice how at the end of q2 in 2025 the increase from 24 to 25 has drastically reduced.
As long as we aren't footing the bill. Buy all the weapons we are willing to come off of.
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I agree that Biden was a much bigger sponsor of this war than Trump.
However Ukraine isn't buying anything, they have no money. They should pay back everything we've donated to them, plus interest as far as I'm concerned.
again, geez.
Mexican–American War - Wikipedia
the texan revolution. independence. desire to become part of the USA. the mexican american war.
it's like a copy of the Ukraine war, except with beaners instead of hohols
Unfortunately the US will not get paid back in cash or anything else with value. Long past time to turn off the cash/wepaons flow to Uke. Total waste of money and resources. Hell, we should never have given them a dime from the beginning, anyone with half of a working brain should've seen this for what it is, an un-winnable war for Uke.
you think Ukraine did any of that?
Ukraine didnt do shit. without the USA and to a lesser extent the eurofags, Ukraine would have lasted 2 weeks.
"Russia colonized Estonia" lol.
Estonia was colonized in an crusade by the Livonian Brothers of the Sword, who later merged into the Teutonic Knights
Teutonic......damn that sounds like the Germans again.
I'm not mad, I'm disgusted. Get a dictionary and look up the definitions of both and learn the difference between the two.
Disgusted by the waste of money and lives in a war that Uke can not win.
Disgusted by the countries and governments that continue to give money and weapons to the Uke in a war they can not win , resulting in more needless deaths on both sides.
Disgusted by Z boy for not looking after his people but letting his foolish pride and ego prevent him from ending this war and stopping the needless bloodshed and loss of life on both sides. He can not win this and he should be smart enough to see that and if not he should not be leader/president.
Comprende? Or are you too drunk on the koolaid to understand what I'm saying?
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this troll you are talking to is the substantiation of Stalin's comment that one death is a tragedy, but a million deaths are a statistic.
life and loss don't mean anything to people like that.
What some of you seem to omit and is rather important is the whole CISR package that is provided to the Ukrainians. So if you are objective and honest there can be only one conclusion on the involvement of the West and that is that West is actively participating in war with Russia. The only reason why this isnt an all out or nuclear is because Russia decided not to hit sources of help (command/logistics centers in Germany, Romania, Poland, starlink and other satellites, Nato drones in international airspace) why this is so only they know for sure but answers in the line of “were slowly cooking the western frog near our borders” seems logical however some (like idiots here) consider this a weakness as they must be weak since they dont run over Ukraine in a week and slap us in the face or our mighty army would crush Russia in half an hour.
PCR considers not striking West a blunder by Putin as only force is recognized. He knows how US apparatus breathes so he might be correct and i would tend to agree that if pushed and bullied best response is full force retaliation however i suspect things at this level are not so simple.
PS: Those that “hate” Russia or people of Russia are really bigots as now they have perfect opportunity to put their training and hate to use and join the Ukrops in “killing commies…”
PCR considers not striking West a blunder by Putin as only force is recognized. He knows how US apparatus breathes so he might be correct and i would tend to agree that if pushed and bullied best response is full force retaliation however i suspect things at this level are not so simple.
PS: Those that “hate” Russia or people of Russia are really bigots as now they have perfect opportunity to put their training and hate to use and join the Ukrops in “killing commies…”
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