Ukraine war Bullshit.

do you mean when the neocons tried to cross Russia's red lines in Georgia, and encouraged Saakashvili to try to stomp out the South Ossetians and Abkhazia, which were friendly to their kin across the border in Russia?

Amazing how the neocons (rebranded one-world order trotskyists) believe in color revolutions for their puppets, and try to flout the overthrow as "the will of the people" but when a large group of real people say fuck it and refuse to go along with the new neocon installed government ........ then suddenly those people have no say anymore and they "belong to the state". Like some kind of perverse feudal throwback.

Damn neocons and their anti-American ideals. I'll take our social contract, the Declaration of Independence, and believe everyone deserves to live by it's freedom-loving ideals, over the neocon's Jewish one world communism any day.
If there were English speakers in a small region of Mexico I would not consider them “Americans”, or be for “liberating” them. Oddly, this is a very typical excuse for tyrants across time to invade.

I wonder if you were Russian if you would think the dream of so many former communists (or still communists) to reunify the USSR were neocons?

It’s not all black and white, and the Russian army was like a band of wild picts burning and raping their way across South Ossetia. Russian speaking or not I’m pretty sure their victims would have prefered not to be “liberated” thusly.

But I wasn’t commenting on that, just how unimpressive the Russian Army had proven to be. I certainly don’t want to be enemies with Russia, but they’re not the advanced and modernized force many claim them to be. They look a lot like they have for the last 85 or so years.
 
Did you trade front line conscription for propaganda spreading? Or is it like an MOS where you do a stint of propaganda or a stint on a conscription detail?

I trigger demorat, American value hating snowflakes like you for free. With this thing called the internet you can do it from anywhere, a trench, a Walmart and even your sweat stained couch. The world is truly an amazing place.
 
If there were English speakers in a small region of Mexico I would not consider them “Americans”, or be for “liberating” them. Oddly, this is a very typical excuse for tyrants across time to invade.

I wonder if you were Russian if you would think the dream of so many former communists (or still communists) to reunify the USSR were neocons?

It’s not all black and white, and the Russian army was like a band of wild picts burning and raping their way across South Ossetia. Russian speaking or not I’m pretty sure their victims would have prefered not to be “liberated” thusly.

But I wasn’t commenting on that, just how unimpressive the Russian Army had proven to be. I certainly don’t want to be enemies with Russia, but they’re not the advanced and modernized force many claim them to be. They look a lot like they have for the last 85 or so years.

Turns out the puccian version of liberation means arresting, torturing, displacing and replacing the local populace if they can bum rush them- or bombing their homes into an uninhabitable unrecognizable moonscape if they can't. I'm sure the Donbas boomers with bad knees and nowhere to go have welcomed being obliterated with artillery as a sweet release from the decadent folds of the nazi Ukrainian regime. Who needs running water or indoor plumbing when you can instead have drunken HIV positive soldiers loot your home and introduce you to lovely Soviet prison culture in your own home!
 
When the people who live in a place revolt against their government that is generally referred to as a rebellion, revolution, or at least an uprising.

That is very different from an invasion by people who do not live there. That you conflate the two further proves my point.

As far as I know the US government didn’t help them or support them in any way. Or, am I wrong about that?
 
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When the people who live in a place revolt against their government that is generally referred to as a rebellion, revolution, or at least an uprising.

That is very different from an invasion by people who do not live there. That you conflate the two further proves my point.

As far as I know the US government didn’t help them or support them in any way. Or, am I wrong about that?
What would you call the actual civil war going on there since 2014?
It's not like they just rolled tanks into a utopian wonderland where everyone lived in perfect harmony.
 
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That is very different from an invasion by people who do not live there. That you conflate the two further proves my point.

As far as I know the US government didn’t help them or support them in any way. Or, am I wrong about that?
Yes we did assist them and pleged support before Russia moved in.



Could you imagine long time Russian Politician in Canada or Mexico speaking about supporting a revolution. Do you think the US Gov would just sit back and do nothing?

The denial we bear or share in responsibility of this conflict is severely disturbing to me, and the amount of people who seemingly dismiss it.
 
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Yes we did assist them and pleged support before Russia moved in.



Could you imagine long time Russian Politician in Canada or Mexico speaking about supporting a revolution. Do you think the US Gov would just sit back and do nothing?

The denial we bear or share in responsibility of this conflict is severely disturbing to me, and the amount of people who seemingly dismiss it.


Do you think the US military would try to thunder run Mexico city and utterly fail on the battlefield and world stage, lose 1 million soldiers in 3 years, a third of our strategic bomber fleet, lose a Ford class carrier and freedom of navigation in the gulf of Mexico, stall in Juarez and have Russian boomers excitedly reporting that despite taking over 300% casualties we've finally managed to capture Tijuana after reducing it entirely to rubble, while dismantling any non state-approved media outlets and openly murdering any gov official that wasn't hell bent on annexing Mexico?
 
Do you think the US military would try to thunder run Mexico city and utterly fail on the battlefield and world stage, lose 1 million soldiers in 3 years, a third of our strategic bomber fleet, lose a Ford class carrier and freedom of navigation in the gulf of Mexico, stall in Juarez and have Russian boomers excitedly reporting that despite taking over 300% casualties we've finally managed to capture Tijuana after reducing it entirely to rubble, while dismantling any non state-approved media outlets and openly murdering any gov official that wasn't hell bent on annexing Mexico?
Haven't heard thunder run in decades sometimes called road runner too back then using M48's
 
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American volunteers went down to Texas to fight with them against Mexico, but our government had zero to do with it. They provided nothing, and even the Texas cannons were bought with private funds, so yea, that was very fucking different. It was not a proxy war between powers, but a very elemental rebellion against a distant and tyrannical central government.

I know people like to believe that it was Russian speakers in Donbas that rose up against Kiev, but I have also seen quite a bit of ink spilled where it is claimed they were Russian troops in civilian cloths who basically seized town halls and police stations. I'm skeptical it was any kind of popular rebellion. But it really doesn't fucking matter. Putin invaded because he could. He's been quite open about wanting to reconstitute the USSR. He considers all of Ukraine his, and I kind of do too. They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.

I don't fucking know, and neither does anyone else. I think I'm in the majority in wanting to stay the fuck out of it, because there aren't any "good guys" to support. There are, however, a shitton of innocent civilians getting pummeled, so I'm with the President on just wanting the killing to stop, on no other grounds but basic humanity. Hopefully he can get it done. If not, oh well, not worth WWIII over it anyway.
 
They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.
Putin would agree with you, but the Ukrainians who actually live in Ukraine and are fighting and enduring one way or another, every day wholeheartedly disagree. Turns out an armed populace who doesn't want to bow down to a tyrant and his army of hepatitis positive steppe bros is extremely hard to kill and conquer, whoddathunk it?
 
American volunteers went down to Texas to fight with them against Mexico, but our government had zero to do with it. They provided nothing, and even the Texas cannons were bought with private funds, so yea, that was very fucking different. It was not a proxy war between powers, but a very elemental rebellion against a distant and tyrannical central government.

I know people like to believe that it was Russian speakers in Donbas that rose up against Kiev, but I have also seen quite a bit of ink spilled where it is claimed they were Russian troops in civilian cloths who basically seized town halls and police stations. I'm skeptical it was any kind of popular rebellion. But it really doesn't fucking matter. Putin invaded because he could. He's been quite open about wanting to reconstitute the USSR. He considers all of Ukraine his, and I kind of do too. They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.

I don't fucking know, and neither does anyone else. I think I'm in the majority in wanting to stay the fuck out of it, because there aren't any "good guys" to support. There are, however, a shitton of innocent civilians getting pummeled, so I'm with the President on just wanting the killing to stop, on no other grounds but basic humanity. Hopefully he can get it done. If not, oh well, not worth WWIII over it anyway.
It’s because Putin recognized the political move the west helping to push and realized he was about to loose any leverage they had.

Good friend of mine’s, friends father works at the Zaparizhia (spelling)nuclear power plant. No, not everybody in the area supports Russia. I have heard some stories through her about some of the crap going on. And no they were not at all happy about this war.
 
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Do you think the US military would try to thunder run Mexico city and utterly fail on the battlefield and world stage, lose 1 million soldiers in 3 years, a third of our strategic bomber fleet, lose a Ford class carrier and freedom of navigation in the gulf of Mexico, stall in Juarez and have Russian boomers excitedly reporting that despite taking over 300% casualties we've finally managed to capture Tijuana after reducing it entirely to rubble, while dismantling any non state-approved media outlets and openly murdering any gov official that wasn't hell bent on annexing Mexico?
I bet you think I read that
 
American volunteers went down to Texas to fight with them against Mexico, but our government had zero to do with it. They provided nothing, and even the Texas cannons were bought with private funds, so yea, that was very fucking different. It was not a proxy war between powers, but a very elemental rebellion against a distant and tyrannical central government.

I know people like to believe that it was Russian speakers in Donbas that rose up against Kiev, but I have also seen quite a bit of ink spilled where it is claimed they were Russian troops in civilian cloths who basically seized town halls and police stations. I'm skeptical it was any kind of popular rebellion. But it really doesn't fucking matter. Putin invaded because he could. He's been quite open about wanting to reconstitute the USSR. He considers all of Ukraine his, and I kind of do too. They're all "Russians" as far as I'm concerned. I know that rubs people the wrong way, but they all were "the enemy" when I was a kid and serving.

I don't fucking know, and neither does anyone else. I think I'm in the majority in wanting to stay the fuck out of it, because there aren't any "good guys" to support. There are, however, a shitton of innocent civilians getting pummeled, so I'm with the President on just wanting the killing to stop, on no other grounds but basic humanity. Hopefully he can get it done. If not, oh well, not worth WWIII over it anyway.
he could have gotten it done or well started on 1/21. he didn't and upped the ante. reasons are obscure and will likely remain undisclosed like everything else going on.