Someone murdered Charlie Kirk
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Was Charlie hit in the jaw and spine in order to deflect the bullet? Or was MLK also possessing bones of steel?
Yup. But most people will choose to ignore this type of information. I see tons of comments on YT videos about how it's impossible for a 30-06 to hit someone in the neck and not either completely explode someone's head or not pass through or some other nonsense. People don't realize that it depends on so many factors including: type and weight of projectile, powder charge, angle, luck, etc. Most hunters I know don't want to completely destroy the animal they take. So their bullet choice and load is tailored to that. Who knows what type of ammo was in the rifle or how old it was.
I hope the FBI releases that info. Ammo type/brand/load, etc.
Charlie's spine was most likely hit, considering the bullet entered his neck. But I'll wait for the medical report, if it's ever publicly released. There's no point in speculating other than for entertainment.
BTW... MLK Jr. had a pulse after getting to the hospital as well (just like Kirk). But he died from hemodynamic collapse. i.e. loss of blood pressure (due to all the blood he lost and the gaping hole in his neck/blood vessels). If he had survived, he would have been a quadrapalegic due to the bullet severing his spine.
My speculative guess is the bullet hit Kirk's spine and deflected either up into his head or down into his torso.
Let's say, for conspiracy theory's sake, that the shot came from behind or from the side and the neck wound was the bullet's exit and not the entrance, that means the bullet would have exited his neck and hit the ground in front of Charlie, between him and the crowd.
Because this is a shooting forum, I'm sure everybody here has sent a round or two into the berm or ground at distance. It kicks up a ton of debris. The entire crowd would have seen this. And it would have been captured on video. But it didn't happen.
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I wasn't there (and the FBI conveniently forgot to release the audio recordings from these events during which they bugged the room), but rumor has it that both he and his friend had bones of steel while holding white girls against their will in multiple hotel rooms in the name of social justice.
Great question, though. I wonder if there's any other connections between these two murders...
Not sure if you saw this. This is who he pepper sprayed. Wonder if it will affect the courts decisions.
"...or bro stopping by the Dairy Queen for a little Blizzy." 
I sure wish they would finish editing the tape of the entire roof before "Taylor" got up there and took the shot, so we can see it, from the walk up the stairwell to the pano of the roof as seen in that video.
I sure wish they would finish editing the tape of the entire roof before "Taylor" got up there and took the shot, so we can see it, from the walk up the stairwell to the pano of the roof as seen in that video.
remains to be seen what they release. my bet is the autopsy will be hidden because of "concern for the loved ones". which,of course,they have no concern for and never have. the going story of no exit from an '06 is thin but it is possible. it was possible for LHO to be the loan JFK actor. a lot of things are possible. likely? not so much. if FBI shows PUBLICILY verifiable evidence then OK. the problem,esp here,is that there has been so many lies about so many political killing and attempts that some aren't going to believe anything from gov. ie esp with the "06 not exiting. that is a real one off which is contrary to a lg amt of experience everywhere. my limited exposure put me initially in doubt. ammo publication a must do.
the mechanics of the shooting vis a vis any conspiracy or other's involvement is a whole different subject. the story of the shooter,gun,entry and exit to the site is another whole dif deal.
So you're saying for Charlie they just ChatGPT'd it and didn't even bother coming up with an original story.
Guess what. Washington owned slaves. People are human. Perfect people tend to get crucified. Don't be a leftist and start "deconstructing" history. Ghandi was a creeper. Breaking news at 11. Edmund Burke (OG libertarian) went apeshit with government hammering on a fellow brit. The world is an imperfect place, screws fall out all the time.
Or maybe go ahead and re-write a NYT times article on US history and how the Revolution was fought over slavery, which is part of how we got INTO THIS FUCKING MESS.
(Note this doesn't mean don't ask questions or seek the truth--its that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We've known King was a womanizer for years. That Jesus guy was rumored to be a Jew!)
photo of a guy removing the camera that was behind Charlie and would confirm or deny exit of the bullet
IMO right now there are two possible outcomes
1) the bullet because of the downward angle hit the spine and went down into the chest
2) the bullet knicked a plate and went up into his head.
If there was an exit wound would there not be a hole and blood on the white back drop ?? At least movement of the curtain ?
1) the bullet because of the downward angle hit the spine and went down into the chest
2) the bullet knicked a plate and went up into his head.
If there was an exit wound would there not be a hole and blood on the white back drop ?? At least movement of the curtain ?
there is a Tucker interview with a black preacher that really lays it out about his libertine life style and actions. also implicates Andrew Young,Abernathy and Jesse Jackson in setting him up for the shot. i can't find it or the talk with 1 of Obama's gay boyfriends. odd,as i didn't know of Tucker stuff going down???? there are 2 talks with black men but not what i was looking for. anyway turns out that MLK was pretty much a dirt bag. until a few years ago i bought the popular story of his saintly live. FBI still didn't have any justification for killing him. and yes i think they did with help of Memphis PD.
As mentioned, an insider ripped the cameras down fewer than 5 minutes after shots fired...unsure if they ever put up a little yellow tape around the tent, but the crime scene was tainted in minutes—Move the chair, stand on it, remove cameras, look around, no one is looking, gank the memory cards...take a couple days to do whatever it is they did behind the scenes, then start showing the footage around town.
You presuppose the shot came from THAT roof. We'll likely never know.
There were some videos showing what some argued was a muzzle blast up in a building that was perfectly positioned to the point where the exit wound would be precisely where the wound we all saw was...but so much stupid/fake shit out there, who knows.
I think this, too, is part of the master plan. Make the story so absolutely stupid with not a single foking facet making sense and everyone will buy the story that they'll tell us on or about September 30, 2025.
Or 3) .30-06 is bullshit, as is the rifle we've been shown pics of. Maybe something smaller was used?
40' high from 140 yards isn't much of an angle. (It's been WAY too long since HS geometry for me to do the math.) But I've shot several dozen deer from 20' up at 25-30 yards, exit hole is always about 2" below the entrance.
Just showing an example of a 30-06 not exiting a human in a well know circumstance.
I can't speak for what circumstance you are referring to being Chat GPT'd, not sure exactly what you are talking about.
40’ Elevation = 13 yds
140 yd angled range = 140 yds
Horizontal distance = 139.4 yds.
Angle of like 5°
I think the elevation was more than that but still. Almost a non existent. Im baffled by how that didn’t exit out the back of his next. With a 165gn at 2800 it’s still hitting with with close to 2500 ft/lbs of energy at 2200-2500 fps? Those are based on a 200yd target. Factory ammo estimate AI. Watched a few videos on a 30-06 in ballistic gel and avg like 20+ of penetration at 200 yds.
Thats just wild to me..
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3) yea,my musings don't matter but i would take bet against 30/06 in favor of something smaller and faster eg 243. the whole running with the rifle shown in a back pack just looks like BS. the films i have seen are very poor. i suppose FBI can clean them up. the timing and screwdriver story is a bit lame. pic going up stairs with full size bolt gun in pants? total BS.
but i am likely FOS on all this. really the gun stuff doesn't matter much. the man is dead and shouldn't be. who is obviously important. why in this world we are in could be the biggest story for everyone except the family.
if the official story is true 1 thing,if not,then quite another thing.
but i am likely FOS on all this. really the gun stuff doesn't matter much. the man is dead and shouldn't be. who is obviously important. why in this world we are in could be the biggest story for everyone except the family.
if the official story is true 1 thing,if not,then quite another thing.
That just happens to come from another FED controlled source.
It's not as good when it has to be explained.
ChatGPT is computer algorithm dispensing "AI" generated fluff from data it has been fed. It can't create anything truly original, it can only cobble together stuff from what it's been fed ... like other stories about 30-06 to the neck assassinations ... that may have been fed into the data the algorithm accesses.
Federal agent: "ChatGPT, tell me a credible explanation for an assassination using a 30-06 with no exit would."
But King was shot from inside 100 yards with no exit.
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Don't some people call him a Space Cowboy, yeah and some call him the Gangster of Love?
Yeah, you're right on the concept. Rise over run: 40ft / 420ft. 5.44° of angle. At 5.44° the expected ballistic exit path is 1.33" lower than entrance on a 14" thick target (disregarding any deflection, tumbling, fragmentation, etc.).
Btw, this is equivalent to a 139.38 yard flat shot, or effectively 2' shorter than flat range, so significant unaccounted ballistic variation due to angle was not possible. The POI shift due to reduced drop would be near-undetectable. It's not like a 45° angle shot at a mountain goat or bighorn.
yea and,in a way, charlie had back luck to be hit. trump was lucky. near miss on Charlie,4" off to his lt,and a miss. ie IF shooters were as said. would 2 such clowns aim where? head shots? saw too much TV to not try a torso shot? smart enough to think of armor and go for head shot? both are said as inexperienced shooters. so,who knows?
the only reason i doubt no conspiracy is that Robinson is alive. crooks was taken out by someone who set up protection detail? heard that,don't know. seems LHO was trying to escape his handlers when he shot Tippet. claimed he was a patsy. i believe that. Robinson has yet to escape suicide.
the only reason i doubt no conspiracy is that Robinson is alive. crooks was taken out by someone who set up protection detail? heard that,don't know. seems LHO was trying to escape his handlers when he shot Tippet. claimed he was a patsy. i believe that. Robinson has yet to escape suicide.
A couple of observations and opinions on this and other shootings.
Unless confirmed don't assume anything about the ammunition used. It could have been a factory load or could just as easy have been grandad's reduced recoil loads so he didn't scope himself with the rearward biased scope mounting, 30 year old handloads etc. We may never know.
Point of aim/point of impact, no way to know, was the rifle zeroed, shooter flinched (I imagine a bit of duress with a non trained bloke pulling the trigger in this situation). No way to know without the perp talking and testing and even with this high probability of error. He may well have been aiming to shoot him in the nuts, again we may never know. (For those of you familiar with a Gallipoli Sniper named Billy Sing, he once had his spotter confirm that he had hit a bloke at distance, Billy sing commented that he had got the wind call wrong and was actually going for the bloke beside him. (I'm not suggesting wind or spin drift or other BS I've heard sprouted over whatever distance this was 150-200yards)
I posted very early in this thread (Well before FBI indicated one was found on the roof) regarding a screwdriver and taking down the rifle to provide one such scenario to people suggesting he wouldn't have been able to walk stairs etc with the assembled rifle down his trousers.
Filmed noise signatures in no way can be used to determine much of value due to noise clipping etc.
Not a fan of blokes wearing their credentials to suggest they're an expert on everything shooting related (Youtube Snipers I'm talking about you) Plenty of professional trigger pullers that have no real idea of what happens downrange in relation to wound channels, projectile performance etc. A lifelong hunter will most probably have a far more comprehensive experience in this regard. Sometimes projectiles do strange and unexplained things. Sometimes shooters do strange and unexplained things.
Unless confirmed don't assume anything about the ammunition used. It could have been a factory load or could just as easy have been grandad's reduced recoil loads so he didn't scope himself with the rearward biased scope mounting, 30 year old handloads etc. We may never know.
Point of aim/point of impact, no way to know, was the rifle zeroed, shooter flinched (I imagine a bit of duress with a non trained bloke pulling the trigger in this situation). No way to know without the perp talking and testing and even with this high probability of error. He may well have been aiming to shoot him in the nuts, again we may never know. (For those of you familiar with a Gallipoli Sniper named Billy Sing, he once had his spotter confirm that he had hit a bloke at distance, Billy sing commented that he had got the wind call wrong and was actually going for the bloke beside him. (I'm not suggesting wind or spin drift or other BS I've heard sprouted over whatever distance this was 150-200yards)
I posted very early in this thread (Well before FBI indicated one was found on the roof) regarding a screwdriver and taking down the rifle to provide one such scenario to people suggesting he wouldn't have been able to walk stairs etc with the assembled rifle down his trousers.
Filmed noise signatures in no way can be used to determine much of value due to noise clipping etc.
Not a fan of blokes wearing their credentials to suggest they're an expert on everything shooting related (Youtube Snipers I'm talking about you) Plenty of professional trigger pullers that have no real idea of what happens downrange in relation to wound channels, projectile performance etc. A lifelong hunter will most probably have a far more comprehensive experience in this regard. Sometimes projectiles do strange and unexplained things. Sometimes shooters do strange and unexplained things.
Where are you seeing video of the shooter running with a rifle in a backpack? This didn't happen.
Plausible theory haha
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