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    • Mar 1, 2008
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    I bought a pre-64 model 70 Featherweight .243 today from a local gun shop. This is what I found under the buttplate: 2 1942 dated quarters, a 1957 dated dollar bill, 4 .243 rounds, a note from the original owner, some matches, the striker from the match box, and a big chuck of a white crystalized substance wrapped in plastic. I had to break up the white chunk of stuff to get it out of the stock.

    The deputy just left, it tested positive for cocaine.

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    Pretty cool history when you think about it...

    For the bill to have been dated from 1957 one would assume that noone had been 'in there' for at least a few decades, especially when you see the oxidation on the rounds. Does the plastic look like the old 'glassine' plastics from the '50s or early '60s?

    So, what did the note from the original owner say?

    Just intriguing...

    Cheers,

    Sirhr

    PS... just for the heck of it, I looked up Hexamine, which was the white crystaline substance that came in cubes and was/is used for starting survival fires. In addition to its medical uses and its utility as a firestarter, it's apparently used as a reagent for many chemical processes and tests. Wonder if there is a possibility that what you found was not cocaine, but was hexamine fire starter? Would explain the matches. Perhaps the hex caused the cocaine test kit to react as it might have to cocaine? ? Just a theory. I don't know for sure... maybe someone with some chemistry background knows!

    But seems odd to find cocaine in a hunting rifle stock from that era. Was coke available... yup. But I'd expect to find it in Jack Kerouak's typewriter or Cab Calloway's horn case... not in a Model 70!!!

    Again, just intrigued by this! One of the coolest posts in a long time!
     
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    This .243 Winchester #390264 is the Property of Don R Sanderson PO Box 72?.. I think.
     
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    The dollar bill and note paper had the cocaine crystals on them. The S.O. took the note but let me keep the dollar bill so I washed it and gave it to my son for his collection. The plastic wrap is the old type stuff and was very degraded by age. The ammo was very old as well, the lead tips of the bullets had turned white and the cases were crusty. The deputy thinks the stuff has probably been in there since the late 50's or early 60's. The note from the original owner stated who the owner of the rifle was, his address and described the rifle.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This .243 Winchester #390264 is the Property of Don R Sanderson PO Box 72?.. I think. </div></div>

    Close.

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    Cool, whats the conversion rate on 1.50 from then to today? How far would that get him, a meal?

    EDIT: just looked it up, $12.26 in todays money.
     
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    That's pretty neat. The quarters are worth about 5.75 each in silver.

    I've heard that every dollar bill if tested would show cocaine just from circulation.

    It looks like esbit tablets (hexamine) to me as well.

    http://www.esbit.net/
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's pretty neat. The quarters are worth about 5.75 each in silver.

    I've heard that every dollar bill if tested would show cocaine just from circulation.

    It looks like esbit tablets (hexamine) to me as well.

    http://www.esbit.net/ </div></div>

    The deputy didn't test the dollar bill. He did every type of drug test he had with him on the white stuff, the only one the stuff reacted to was the cocaine test, it turned pink and blue.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mis-guided child2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet there will be a lot of buttstocks pulled from hide members in the next little bit.... </div></div>


    thats the first thing i thought of also..now wheres my screwdriver?
     
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    Looks like a mini-survival kit for an early 60's hunting hippie. But then, I'm familiar with sheriff's deputies and drug tests and that may not be cocaine at all...
     
    Re: So I Bought A Model 70 Today

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Town is Dixon Missouri... if you look closely at the writing... Dixon.

    Don L. Shackelford, born 1938. Currently lives in Salem Missouri.

    http://www.mylife.com/c-2305019215

    If it were me... I'd be getting in touch to ask him about his rifle! It's a mystery that must be pursued!

    Cheers,

    Sirhr </div></div>

    I sent him an email.
     
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    Hell call him up, he might have a cool story. Ask what the white stuff is.
    Don 573-759-6262
     
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    Ha! You found 'ol Dale Gribble's (aka Don "Rusty" Shackleford) rifle!

    It all makes sense now...
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: konabully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! You found 'ol Dale Gribble's (aka Don "Rusty" Shackleford) rifle!

    It all makes sense now...
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    Beat me to it!
     
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    Thats so funny, I was thinking the same thing. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: konabully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! You found 'ol Dale Gribble's (aka Don "Rusty" Shackleford) rifle!

    It all makes sense now...
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    The contents are clearly a survival kit. There is no way that substance is blow; its a fire-start chemical. As stated above, likely hexamine. Take it to a real chemist and find out. Or find out what chemicals a coke kit reacts with and check it against the ingredients for hex amine.
    Either way, a neat find. I bought '53 Model 70 last year; will have to check it out.
     
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    So touch a lit match to the white stuff, and see if it burns. Looks like a fire starter from the 50's. I have waterproof matches, 10 ft of masons nylon cord, and 2 spare cartridges, plus my name and address in two of my rifles. If I make a stock for somebody, I put his name and address inside the 1" hole I usually drill under the buttplate, for ID in case of theft.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SIG700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Out of curiosity 168, what made you take the stock plate off / look? </div></div>

    There is a hairline crack in the grain coming out of the bottom buttplate screw hole so I was going to repair the crack.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xs hedspace</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So touch a lit match to the white stuff, and see if it burns. Looks like a fire starter from the 50's. I have waterproof matches, 10 ft of masons nylon cord, and 2 spare cartridges, plus my name and address in two of my rifles. If I make a stock for somebody, I put his name and address inside the 1" hole I usually drill under the buttplate, for ID in case of theft. </div></div>

    I don't have any of the white stuff, the deputy took it all including the piece of paper and the plastic wrap.
     
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    If the man is saying it tested positive for coke, it's coke! The tests are only presumptive, but in 10 years of working dope I've never seen a false positive.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gathumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the man is saying it tested positive for coke, it's coke! The tests are only presumptive, but in 10 years of working dope I've never seen a false positive.</div></div>

    I've used test kits too. As with you, never seen a false positive. But testing the baggies of powder found in ski-bum's wallets and in the cars of sierra-bravos... Everything I've tested is from a sample that gives it a mathematical probability that makes it more-than-likely... cocaine.

    I've never tested Hexamine, Naptha, etc. because I've never had reason to stop a hunter w. survival kit.

    My point about the Hex potentially giving a false positive was on a hunch that, because Hex is a reagent used in many tests, it may spike a coke kit. It's an interesting theory, little more. Any chemists here?

    Not denying that it could easily be cocaine... but the bigger picture of having it in a Missouri rifle stock from the '50s with a name, survival matches, etc. makes me think that the circumstances don't add up to drugs, at least to me. Could the guy be a 1950's rock cocaine smuggler? Well, suppose it's possible.

    But I'd be looking for some more logical explanation before I jumped to the idea that Don Shackelford was a deer-huntin' drug kingpin. In the big picture secreting coke in a rifle stock with your name, small change and matches does not make sense. At least not to me.

    Then again, I am SRT, not a detective ;-) I lack the brain power for 'cipherin and guzintas.

    Chemists... please... help us here?

    Cheers,

    Sirhr
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But I'd be looking for some more logical explanation before I jumped to the idea that Don Shackelford was a deer-huntin' drug kingpin. In the big picture secreting coke in a rifle stock with your name, small change and matches does not make sense. At least not to me.
    </div></div>

    I agree it wouldn't make sense to put your name in the stock of a rifle with your drug stash. I have zero experience with cocaine so I have no idea what it is supposed to look like. The only thing I have to go on is when the deputy put a couple of pieces of it in the test kit and cracked the vials inside, one side was pink and the other side turned blue.
     
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    If it was cocaine, it would exclude the need for a fire... just snort and run your way out of the woods, happy and with confidence.


    an increasing sense of energy and alertness
    an extremely elevated mood
    a feeling of supremacy
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any chemists here?
    </div></div>

    According to this paper http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1961/an/an9618600335 the active ingredient in a cocaine field test (cobalt thiocyanate) will complex with amines.

    Since lidocaine and other compounds cause a cocaine test to go blue, I'm thinking it is reacting with the tertiary amine groups present in the molecules (hexamine has these as well). I'll see if I can dig up some cobalt thiocyanate in the lab and test a hexamine tablet with it.

    EDIT:
    Does the stock void that you took the white stuff out of smell like formaldehyde? If so it's probably trioxane fuel tablets.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gathumper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the man is saying it tested positive for coke, it's coke! The tests are only presumptive, but in 10 years of working dope I've never seen a false positive.</div></div>


    Chemists... please... help us here?

    Cheers,

    Sirhr

    </div></div>
    If it is a Scott test it will react with tertiary amines. Hexamine has three tertiary amines on it. Naphthalene would not react.

    RedHoarseman, you responded while I was looking up the structure of cocaine. I see you are a chemist up in Flag. You work at NAU?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheRedHorseman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any chemists here?
    </div></div>

    According to this paper http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1961/an/an9618600335 the active ingredient in a cocaine field test (cobalt thiocyanate) will complex with amines.

    Since lidocaine and other compounds cause a cocaine test to go blue, I'm thinking it is reacting with the tertiary amine groups present in the molecules (hexamine has these as well). I'll see if I can dig up some cobalt thiocyanate in the lab and test a hexamine tablet with it.

    EDIT:
    Does the stock void that you took the white stuff out of smell like formaldehyde? If so it's probably trioxane fuel tablets. </div></div>

    The only smell I can detect in the stock is a funky old smell like the rifle had been sitting in a trunk in a grandma's basement for a long time.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it was cocaine, it would exclude the need for a fire... just snort and run your way out of the woods, happy and with confidence.


    an increasing sense of energy and alertness
    an extremely elevated mood
    a feeling of supremacy
    </div></div>

    That's my thought as well - it is not crazy to consider cocaine as part of a survival kit. It is a local anesthetic (used by dentists, for instance) and can of course give you "energy" and perhaps help you stay awake in a tough situation.
     
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    A great example of how a statement will get quoted as gospel just because its on the rumornet; instead, Dental use of cocaine is rare in the US with synthetics used instead.
    Fire is often needed first and foremost during a survival situation. Living long enough to feel sunshine and rainblows is secondary to hypothermia.
    Start a poll on the 'hide or any reputable survival outfit and find out if anyone has blow in place of fire-starter in a minimalist kit...

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: spamassassain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it was cocaine, it would exclude the need for a fire... just snort and run your way out of the woods, happy and with confidence.


    an increasing sense of energy and alertness
    an extremely elevated mood
    a feeling of supremacy
    </div></div>

    That's my thought as well - it is not crazy to consider cocaine as part of a survival kit. It is a local anesthetic (used by dentists, for instance) and can of course give you "energy" and perhaps help you stay awake in a tough situation.
    </div></div>
     
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    30 grams or so of blow might make for one hell of an urban survival kit addition...

    Or "today I learned that I could crush up a hexamine tablet into powder, stick it in a baggie and cause a major headache for somebody I don't like." lol
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A great example of how a statement will get quoted as gospel just because its on the rumornet; instead, Dental use of cocaine is rare in the US with synthetics used instead.
    Fire is often needed first and foremost during a survival situation. Living long enough to feel sunshine and rainblows is secondary to hypothermia.
    Start a poll on the 'hide or any reputable survival outfit and find out if anyone has blow in place of fire-starter in a minimalist kit...</div></div>

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/874104-overview

    I never said it was in wide use, only that it is sometimes used and certainly can be used as a local anesthetic. And it was much more commonly used from the late 1800s into the early/mid 1900s. This stuff was put into the rifle butt probably 50 years ago.

    Is it more likely that the stuff behind the butt plate turns out to be fire starting material? Probably. Is it impossible that it is cocaine? No.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A great example of how a statement will get quoted as gospel just because its on the rumornet; instead, Dental use of cocaine is rare in the US with synthetics used instead.
    Fire is often needed first and foremost during a survival situation. Living long enough to feel sunshine and rainblows is secondary to hypothermia.
    Start a poll on the 'hide or any reputable survival outfit and find out if anyone has blow in place of fire-starter in a minimalist kit...

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: spamassassain</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it was cocaine, it would exclude the need for a fire... just snort and run your way out of the woods, happy and with confidence.


    an increasing sense of energy and alertness
    an extremely elevated mood
    a feeling of supremacy
    </div></div>

    That's my thought as well - it is not crazy to consider cocaine as part of a survival kit. It is a local anesthetic (used by dentists, for instance) and can of course give you "energy" and perhaps help you stay awake in a tough situation.
    </div></div></div></div>

    It was a joke...
     
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    Neat find.
    You think the S.O took the note to see if the guy is still around and bust him?


    My old man keep enough drugs in the survival kit to knock you out for three days or keep you up for three days.
    So I can see it being coke.
     
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    Checked the '53 I bought last year...nothing found.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Loner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neat find.
    You think the S.O took the note to see if the guy is still around and bust him?


    My old man keep enough drugs in the survival kit to knock you out for three days or keep you up for three days.
    So I can see it being coke. </div></div>

    The deputy took the note because it was covered with white crystals. He let me keep the dollar bill after I washed it, what ever the white stuff was it washed right of with warm water and a little liquid dish soap.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">168...

    Did you ever hear back from the owner in MO? Still curious about this.

    Cheers,

    Sirhr. </div></div>

    No I did not get a response to either email I sent. It's possible he is out of town for the holidays right now.
     
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