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Multicam softshell jacket

Outlaw45

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I've been looking for a multicam jacket to wear on cool to cold days while hunting coyotes. I don't need a lot of insulation as I usually layer my clothing. Just need something that would block the wind and the occasional sprinkle. I don't want to spend over $200. I've been looking at the Tru-Spec 24/7 softshell and the Wild Things Tactical jackets.

Tru-Spec 24/7
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=22615&tabid=548

Wild Things Tactical
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3354152121/wild-things-tactical-low-loft-jacket-multicam?cm_vc=U112

or
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/33...t-shell-jacket-multicam?cm_vc=subv13354152121

Outlaw
 
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I have had 5 or 6 high end soft shells (Arcteryx etc.) over the last 15 years and the Wild Things Lightweight SS is the best I have ever had.
Highly recommended.
 
Outlaw45 said:
I've been looking for a multicam jacket to wear on cool to cold days while hunting coyotes. I don't need a lot of insulation as I usually layer my clothing. Just need something that would block the wind and the occasional sprinkle. I don't want to spend over $200. I've been looking at the Tru-Spec 24/7 softshell and the Wild Things Tactical jackets.

Tru-Spec 24/7
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=22615&tabid=548

Wild Things Tactical
Wild Things Tactical Low Loft Jacket Multicam

or
Wild Things Tactical Lightweight Soft Shell Jacket Multicam

Outlaw
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Of those you listed:
Wild Things Tactical Lightweight Soft Shell Jacket Multicam

I had the original to this and its one of the best soft shells I used. It is cut athletic so pay attention to sizing.

Like was said, the other WT has Primaloft and will be very warm. I used the precursor to this garment and its quite warm for what it is. Its hard to beat a soft shell over Primaloft.

You also might want to look at:
WT Tactical Windshirt - WT 1.0 | Lightweight wind and rain protection

This is one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. It serves as a outer layer yet is light and trim enough to wear between base layer and mid layer that adds substantial warmth to the system for just a few ounces. It was one of those that I never left home with it, summer or winter.

A suggestion, if it doesn't have to me multicam, give a look at Marmot DriClime. This is the other, one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. Used an an outer layer, base layer or mid layer.
 
45.308 said:
Of those you listed:
Wild Things Tactical Lightweight Soft Shell Jacket Multicam

I had the original to this and its one of the best soft shells I used. It is cut athletic so pay attention to sizing.

Like was said, the other WT has Primaloft and will be very warm. I used the precursor to this garment and its quite warm for what it is. Its hard to beat a soft shell over Primaloft.

You also might want to look at:
WT Tactical Windshirt - WT 1.0 | Lightweight wind and rain protection

This is one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. It serves as a outer layer yet is light and trim enough to wear between base layer and mid layer that adds substantial warmth to the system for just a few ounces. It was one of those that I never left home with it, summer or winter.

A suggestion, if it doesn't have to me multicam, give a look at Marmot DriClime. This is the other, one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. Used an an outer layer, base layer or mid layer.
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Very good advice; read "athletic cut" as "skinny" (...I can kinda remember when...:() If you're carrying any tactical padding at all you'll want to go "size-up".

FWIW: that's a really good price on the low-loft, I'm considering picking one up myself at that price, just because... Based on your described use, however, I'm thinking the unlined LW Softshell is probably more what you're looking for. BTW: I have the Windshirt 45.308 mentioned and I'll add my +1 to that recommendation as well. Mine stays in the truck year round, "just in case". Good luck with your purchase! PLong
 
Good info gents, I've been looking around for some stuff for my two hunts towards the end of the year. I'll have to give these a try. Thanks to the OP and to those who gave good info.
 
45.308 said:
Of those you listed:


You also might want to look at:
WT Tactical Windshirt - WT 1.0 | Lightweight wind and rain protection

This is one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. It serves as a outer layer yet is light and trim enough to wear between base layer and mid layer that adds substantial warmth to the system for just a few ounces. It was one of those that I never left home with it, summer or winter.
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+1 on this piece of kit. It folds into a 1 quart bag and I take it everywhere. It was great in Alaska last summer and the ever present rain. It's also good for wind protection.
 
How are the sleeve length on the WT low loft jacket? I get tired of performance jackets with extra long sleeves.
 
skog said:
What jackets have "extra long sleeves?" As a person who is 6'4" this is a valuable piece on intel.
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The Wild Things jackets are going to be on the long side of "normal". I'm 5'11" with a little above average reach and they fit pretty well, enough length to keep from creeping up when active. If you're looking for really long arm length look at OTTE Gear: OTTE GEAR | tactical and military gear Quality is comparable to Wild Things and talk about "ape arms"... ;)! I have a DK Hybrid and I generally roll the cuffs about two inches when I'm not using the velcro adjustments
 
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Good info guys, thanks for all responses. Looks like WT is the way to go. I'm a thin to average 6'4" too, should I get a XL? Just have to decide how warm I need it to be. Probably something to wear coyote hunting in fall temps 30's to 50's. Would the Low Loft be a good choice to wear with a light to med-weight shirt?
 
45.308 said:
Of those you listed:
Wild Things Tactical Lightweight Soft Shell Jacket Multicam

I had the original to this and its one of the best soft shells I used. It is cut athletic so pay attention to sizing.

Like was said, the other WT has Primaloft and will be very warm. I used the precursor to this garment and its quite warm for what it is. Its hard to beat a soft shell over Primaloft.

You also might want to look at:
WT Tactical Windshirt - WT 1.0 | Lightweight wind and rain protection

This is one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. It serves as a outer layer yet is light and trim enough to wear between base layer and mid layer that adds substantial warmth to the system for just a few ounces. It was one of those that I never left home with it, summer or winter.

A suggestion, if it doesn't have to me multicam, give a look at Marmot DriClime. This is the other, one of the two best pieces of clothing I ever used. Used an an outer layer, base layer or mid layer.
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Thank you for the advice.

Tag for clothing layer system.
 
Check out Kuiu, newer clothing company, but top notch materials and crastmanship. Not multicam but two nice camo options with lots of research into them.
 
OK so which one of the Wild Things jackets is unlined?? I'm more interested in warm weather wear for rain. I have heavier stuff.
 
WARNING; WARNING; WARNING...Will Robinson....

WARNING: Do not purchase the Wild Things jackets from MidwayUSA or do so at your own risk! I went ahead and picked up one of the low-loft jackets because I'm a huge Wild Things fan I thought the price was too good to pass up (should have been my first clue, but I thought I had done my homework). Despite the fact that Midway is marketing the jackets as "Made in the USA", "Berry Amendment Compliant" these jackets ARE NOT made in the USA. I called Wild Things directly and was told that the Midway jackets are from their "Smith & Wesson Line" still under Wild Things Tactical but made in Jordan and not Berry Compliant.

Here's the text from Midway's web page see the last two lines:

Technical Information:
  • 70 denier textured nylon shell
  • Nylon rip stop lining quilted to 2 oz PrimaLoft synthetic insulation
  • Concealed hand warmer pockets
  • 7” bicep storage pockets
  • Elasticized rear hem
  • 2” x 3” Velcro patches on sleeves
  • Dropped tail
  • Weight: 18 oz
  • Made in U.S.A.
  • Berry Amendment Compliant

Add in the cluster I had trying to pick-up the order after missing the UPS guy on the first try, with absolutely no help from Midway, and I can say with complete certainty I am done with MidwayUSA, forever and ever...Amen!
 
Nice, thanks for the heads up. Looks like they 'updated' the description...and maybe that's why they just dropped the price even more.
 
pucker said:
Nice, thanks for the heads up. Looks like they 'updated' the description...and maybe that's why they just dropped the price even more.
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Just checked myself and you are correct, they did "update" the specs overnight. Haven't bothered responding to my emails though...:mad:!!
 
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300wmrn said:
Check out Kuiu, newer clothing company, but top notch materials and crastmanship. Not multicam but two nice camo options with lots of research into them.
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Made in China, and pretty steep on price.

Lots of made in Eastern Europe out of Schoeller fabric out there as well.
 
Midway USA: Buyer Beware!

plong said:
Just checked myself and you are correct, they did "update" the specs overnight. Haven't bothered responding to my emails though...:mad:!!
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C'mon Midway... :mad::mad:!!

It keeps getting better and better... Last night they changed the web page after I bring the problem to both Midway's and Wild Things' attention. Today I get an email telling me I'm wrong: "... but after looking at this product on our website it does not say that it is Berry Amendment Compliant or made in the USA" - Meghan. I'm hoping she didn't know the page was changed but I'm really questioning that. Fortunately I downloaded an off-line copy of the original web page yesterday, just in case this kind of thing happened. FWIW: when I called Wild Things to bring the matter to their attention they said mine was not the first call they'd received about the issue.

I'm giving them 24 hours to find an acceptable way to make this right and then I'm disputing the charges! Buyer Beware!
 
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Muskox said:
Made in China, and pretty steep on price.

Lots of made in Eastern Europe out of Schoeller fabric out there as well.
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Originally sewn in BC, Canada with Japanese fabric, Now made in Japan by Toray, the fabric manufacturer, a company at the lead of fabric development. That being said, try the gear before you knock it. It is the best and have never met someone unimpressed by it if they've used it.

Steep on price compared to inferior products, well priced when compared to competitors that begin to touch the same quality of fabrics. We're talking the likes of Arcteryx & Patagonia.

You'll know good gear when you use it and the Guide Jacket is the best soft-shell anyone I know has ever handled. YMMV, but I doubt it. The simple truth is the best technical fabrics just aren't made in the USA. I want the best and could care less about berry compliance.

Vertical Supply Chain Post Follow UP « Building KUIU China Crap?

http://blog.kuiu.com/2013/02/26/what-are-you-paying-for/ What you get for your $$$...

I'm also clearly a KUIU junky though so take it FWIW...
 
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plong said:
C'mon Midway... :mad::mad:!!

It keeps getting better and better... Last night they changed the web page after I bring the problem to both Midway's and Wild Things' attention. Today I get an email telling me I'm wrong: "... but after looking at this product on our website it does not say that it is Berry Amendment Compliant or made in the USA" - Meghan. I'm hoping she didn't know the page was changed but I'm really questioning that. Fortunately I downloaded an off-line copy of the original web page yesterday, just in case this kind of thing happened. FWIW: when I called Wild Things to bring the matter to their attention they said mine was not the first call they'd received about the issue.

I'm giving them 24 hours to find an acceptable way to make this right and then I'm disputing the charges! Buyer Beware!
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I agree. You know, few things aggravate me like a business treating a customer like an idiot. Hey, we get it, stuff gets messed up...but when you start telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, my politeness gets short-lived.

I've had decent experiences with midway, but we'll see how they treat you. I can't believe they wouldn't just eat some humble pie, and send a return label...yesterday.
 
The Saga Continues...

pucker said:
I agree. You know, few things aggravate me like a business treating a customer like an idiot. Hey, we get it, stuff gets messed up...but when you start telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, my politeness gets short-lived.

I've had decent experiences with midway, but we'll see how they treat you. I can't believe they wouldn't just eat some humble pie, and send a return label...yesterday.
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Having gone back and forth with them at least four times now I can assure you they don’t make any “humble pie” in their kitchen! Their latest proposal: send it back on your dime, once we get it back and inspect it, we’ll issue a refund and reimburse your shipping, if everything checks out.

My perspective:

1. You misrepresented the product on your website (whether knowingly or not, misrepresented none-the-less).
2. I relied on that misrepresentation in making my purchase. Had the jacket been labeled “import” rather than “Made in USA” I would not have purchased.
3. You accepted my order and took my money.
4. You shipped me a product that is not what I ordered; therefore my order has not been filled!
5. Your proposed remedy is for me to spend more of my money to return the wrong product so at that point I have no jacket (right one or wrong one), no money, I’m out the additional expense of the return shipping, and I’m supposed to trust you’re going to make this right in the end…

By Midway's standard the customer is supposed to bear the vast majority of the burden and risk for correcting its mistake… Really?

I will readily acknowledge that I too have had prior purchases from Midway that have gone well however that is not, from my perspective, the true measure of an organization. The true measure of an organization is how it behaves when it is going to cost it something to do what it said it would do and/or make things right after the fact.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that Midway is far more concerned about guarding its bottom line than it is about honoring its commitments and taking care of its customers!

Buyer Beware!
 
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plong said:
send it back ... ... once we get it back and inspect it, we’ll issue a refund and reimburse your shipping
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Sounds fair to me. Could they have refunded it first? Yes. Does that happen anywhere at a place the size of Midway though? A return label isn't anything to get up in arms about really...

All is well that ends well... Don't start trashing just yet...
 
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dbowhunter said:
Sounds fair to me. Could they have refunded it first? Yes. Does that happen anywhere at a place the size of Midway though? A return label isn't anything to get up in arms about really...

All is well that ends well... Don't start trashing just yet...
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If accurately reporting Midway's miss-steps is trashing then I'm guilty as charged! You and I clearly have different standards. In my world it is not the customer's responsibility to bear the burden, financial or otherwise for correcting the seller's error(s). Please keep in mind the product shipped was not what was advertised nor what I ordered, therefore the order has not been filled. Some might consider that fraud, although since that requires proven intent, I've chosen not to go there. Please also understand that I apply the same standards of conduct to my own business, sometimes at significant pain and expense. I believe a business should do whatever necessary to do what it said it would do. It makes me sad that more and more people have become convinced they should accept something less. YMMV.
 
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I agree for the most part... Hopefully it ends well... Things are tough in a business that size and bigger, I've worked in them and it is tough. I suppose that is no excuse, I merely sympathize some. SOP and protocols can't cover everything and too often the guy in the field or on the phone has been stripped of their ability to do the right thing.

The only misstep I really see though is the return shipping, which will hopefully be taken care of in the end... (I give the benefit of doubt that the misprint was a mistake and the email you got was from a front line rep who merely looked at the listing after it had been changed). Very odd to 'reimburse' for return shipping, I can't say I've ever seen that before and it would make me perk up a bit too. I try to give the same courtesy as both a customer and supplier, I'm not saying you haven't, everyone has their own standards and lines.

Suffice to say, I should have bit my lip. You are right in my view if I was the seller, I guess I just might have handled it slightly differently as the buyer, and that definitely didn't warrant a forum post criticizing a complete stranger.

Godspeed. Let us know if it ends well.
 
dbowhunter said:
Originally sewn in BC, Canada with Japanese fabric, Now made in Japan by Toray, the fabric manufacturer, a company at the lead of fabric development. That being said, try the gear before you knock it. It is the best and have never met someone unimpressed by it if they've used it.

Steep on price compared to inferior products, well priced when compared to competitors that begin to touch the same quality of fabrics. We're talking the likes of Arcteryx & Patagonia.

You'll know good gear when you use it and the Guide Jacket is the best soft-shell anyone I know has ever handled. YMMV, but I doubt it. The simple truth is the best technical fabrics just aren't made in the USA. I want the best and could care less about berry compliance.

Vertical Supply Chain Post Follow UP « Building KUIU China Crap?

WHAT ARE YOU PAYING FOR? « Building KUIU What you get for your $$$...

I'm also clearly a KUIU junky though so take it FWIW...
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Kuiu junky and bowhunter ARGH! Well you warned me :)

I'll take a second look at their stuff.

I have enough Schoeller fabric mountaineering gear that it will be a long time before I buy anything from Kuiu for a mountain hunt.
 
Muskox said:
Kuiu junky and bowhunter ARGH! Well you warned me :)

I'll take a second look at their stuff.

I have enough Schoeller fabric mountaineering gear that it will be a long time before I buy anything from Kuiu for a mountain hunt.
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Ha! Fair Enough... The pic should have gave me away anyways... It really is awesome stuff if you get a chance to get your hands on it. That blog has a ton of info on the products/fabrics/technology...

I'll quit hijacking this thread that has nothing to do with me now.
 
Ok, just read the "what are you paying for", they are using the same Schoeller fabrics, I'll take a look into it.

Kind of overstocked on outdoor pants and blessed with only one ass, so I'll give it a bit of time before I order anything else.
 
Muskox said:
Ok, just read the "what are you paying for", they are using the same Schoeller fabrics, I'll take a look into it.

Kind of overstocked on outdoor pants and blessed with only one ass, so I'll give it a bit of time before I order anything else.
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They actual use almost exclusively Toray, but same difference...the real stuff not the china stuff...

Again, I'm trying to quit hijacking! Sent a PM but I think we're on the same page... Maybe you can catch them at a show someday. FWIW read the "about" page on their brand if you have any interest. Jason started SitkaGear, sold it, and is now on this adventure with KUIU...
 
dbowhunter said:
I agree for the most part... Hopefully it ends well... Things are tough in a business that size and bigger, I've worked in them and it is tough. I suppose that is no excuse, I merely sympathize some. SOP and protocols can't cover everything and too often the guy in the field or on the phone has been stripped of their ability to do the right thing.

The only misstep I really see though is the return shipping, which will hopefully be taken care of in the end... (I give the benefit of doubt that the misprint was a mistake and the email you got was from a front line rep who merely looked at the listing after it had been changed). Very odd to 'reimburse' for return shipping, I can't say I've ever seen that before and it would make me perk up a bit too. I try to give the same courtesy as both a customer and supplier, I'm not saying you haven't, everyone has their own standards and lines.

Suffice to say, I should have bit my lip. You are right in my view if I was the seller, I guess I just might have handled it slightly differently as the buyer, and that definitely didn't warrant a forum post criticizing a complete stranger.

Godspeed. Let us know if it ends well.
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Thanks for your gracious and thoughtful follow-up! I'll acknowledge this has become a bit of a crusade for me for me as a result of the treatment I've received while attempting to effect a mutually agreeable remedy. I'm still holding out a slight (very) bit of hope someone at Midway will step-up and make this right. Very best to you as well!
 
No way I am condoning but being that I ran a retail shop and built a web site for sales along with a web site for guiding, most times when you set up an account to offer any vendor product, the vendor sends a CD or what ever with supplied pictures and text to be used. If you look around, web sites use the same pictures and text. I tried to find and save pictures, add pictures and then write my own text and found out how time consuming it was. A quick call to my reps and the data was sent for me to use. Other larger retailers use or have a web building / managing company and with these, the CEO, managers, whomever never really read was is on their web. With a corporation like this, many layers to it and info like this never gets sent to all layers. It may have just been sent to their webmaster so the other layers have no idea and just see what they see.

For issues in general, most times you talk to a operator who has a flow chart and card in front of them and they read it to you. Its the difference between mom and pops where you very well are talking to the owner or manager who has the knowledge and power to fix Vs some hourly employee who does not and cannot, its policy and breaking policy is grounds for termination. Sorry but its business not personal even though it effects you and your dollar.

I understand you but again I also under them somewhat. My shop, send it back on my fed ex account, I will refund your dollar or give you credit with a discount. Did it a few times. Them, its business per policy. And, some customers just do not let it go, had them and I can be one but sometimes, it just best to. Not preaching just saying wearing both t shirts.

As for as the mistake, again just an error that no one caught or very few caught. I can guarantee most who ordered that jacket never looked or thought to look.

WildThings still support them but as they try to grow, John Bouchard is no longer there and his ex Titoune, all I got to say. I thought that was really cheap WT but also know that you can get special deals and offer then to your customers but...does not look like that is the case.

good luck
 
An employee works under the guidlelines set by the company. Therefore, I don't see how we can discuss Midway, and its phone representatives, as if they're 2 separate entities. It's Larry's responsibility to ensure his employees understand and follow his direction. The day the company grows to a point where Mom and Pop no longer answer the phone, they MUST ensure those who do understand the company's intent for customer satisfaction.

We've all seen large companies operate on both sides of that satisfaction scale, and the difference comes from the HMFIC. It's Larry's company, his phone rep, and his Commander's Intent they're following. The failure is his as well...not some random policy.
 
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pucker said:
An employee works under the guidlelines set by the company. Therefore, I don't see how we can discuss Midway, and its phone representatives, as if they're 2 separate entities. It's Larry's responsibility to ensure his employees understand and follow his direction. The day the company grows to a point where Mom and Pop no longer answer the phone, they MUST ensure those who do understand the company's intent for customer satisfaction.

We've all seen large companies operate on both sides of that satisfaction scale, and the difference comes from the HMFIC. It's Larry's company, his phone rep, and his Commander's Intent they're following. The failure is his as well...not some random policy.
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That’s exactly my point! My Dad had a saying he used often: “Every organization is a direct reflection of the man at the top…” If Larry Potterfield gave a rats a$$ about customer service his team would be empowered to make things right with their customer when they mess up. I absolutely do not buy the “it’s because they’re big…" rational'; that might be an excuse but it’s not a valid reason. Again it’s a matter of priority.

If you’ve ever had the pleasure of dealing with Daniel Defense customer service you’ll know what I exactly mean. Daniel Defense, big company, huge government contracts, yet when I had a problem with a barrel the response was “we don’t have one of those in stock but customer service takes priority over production I’ll place the order and have it to you by the end of the week. After you get the new one you can ship the wrong barrel back with the shipping label I’ll provide.” Somehow, with all their business, they found the time to take care of lil' ol' me! I’ve had similar good experiences with other large companies. Big companies can and do choose to provide excellent customer service. Remember: it is a choice!

One final thought: if Larry Potterfield doesn't care enough to have a mechanism in place to even acknowledge emails addressed to his personal account he should remove it from the website!
 
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Ok so back to the jacket... So the Wild Things jacket from Midway is made in China. And that's why you hate it, but if someone was ok with where ever it was made, would it be a good jacket?
 
Outlaw45 said:
Ok so back to the jacket... So the Wild Things jacket from Midway is made in China. And that's why you hate it, but if someone was ok with where ever it was made, would it be a good jacket?
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Jordan... actually...

In my opinion its not the same build quality as their Made in USA gear. That's what caught my eye in the first place upon receiving it: loose threads, uneven stitching... typical import quality issues. Its not absolutely terrible but not up to Wild Things' usual standards. My recommendation would be spend the additional money to purchase a US Made jacket direct from Wild Things, that's definitely what I'll be doing henceforth. You'll have to decide for yourself...

Just a few more thoughts to help you make your decision: My initial semi-raving recommendation in answer to your original post was based only on my experiences with the US Made Wild Things gear so when it comes to the import line all prior bets are off. I have no experience with it other than this purchase; I can't speak to either its performance or durability. If I had to place a value on it, based only on the one jacket I received I'd say that it is just worth the Midway sale price, not really a deal... At anything close to the "regular" price, well... not on my dime... Not trying to talk you out-of or into anything, just trying to offer an honest answer to your question. Based only on this one experience... Hope that helps.
 
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I hate to burst any bubbles here, but I just about guarantee that entire jacket, yup the barry compliant one, is import (read china/worse) fabric sewn in the USA somewhere. At that price point $120 at retail, you simply are getting sub-par stuff type materials... Now at the wild things $429 price point of an actual softhell on wild things' website, you are probably still getting a fabric that isn't on par with Toray/Scholler/Polartec stuff either, but sewn in some union shop full of 'deserving' folks in the USA out of import fabric. How do I know? the dead giveaway on quality is the reference to spandex on their own website for the $429 jacket. Spandex is Elastic, and Elastic is heavy, absorbs water, dry slowly and overall...sucks. That being said, the best technical fabrics just plain aren't made on this continent. period.

Buy gear without spandex/elastic or cotton for the good stuff.

Spandex ? A Back Country Enemy « Building KUIU

Try the real good stuff and you'll know the difference.... Patagonia, Schoeller, Kuiu, Arcteryx, Polartec, Patagonia, some pf the marmot/mountain hardware/NF, etc...

Are they available in multicam, NO!!! Do they outperform all that stuff, hands down! <b>I buy Kuiu because it is the only company that I know of building gear out of the best, the actual best fabrics and technology AND they dont give there charity money to the likes of liberal bastions like the Sierra Club and the Wildlife Fund...aka FU and your guns and hunting funds.!</b>

Find me some barry complaint 4 way stretch ultralight ultra breathable gear and a pack with a carbon fiber frame, and I'll be by your side buying U-S-of-A everytime.
 
A TRADITION OF QUALITY, MADE RIGHT HERE IN THE USA


  • Our WT Tactical line for the US Military is Berry Amendment compliant. This means every button, zipper, thread and fabric in our garments is made in the USA. We know of no other maker of technical outwear that can make that claim.

I just know its worked well for me... YMMV! By the way: no argument from me on Schoeller ;)
 
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No Multicam?? I'd rather be cold and wet than wear Asian goofy-pattern camo!

Just kidding...sort of.
 
I stand corrected...But that tells me I'm getting that much less fabric and that much more compliance cost, corporate income tax, and unoin dues for my dollars.

To be honest the Berry Amendment never meant anything to me other than an admission that our production, efficiency and quality standards have dropped so far as a nation that we can't compete and we need to force our own government to buy stuff from our own inefficient manufacturers or else we'd be broke even faster.

I'm getting close to violating the "no politics" doctrine though, especially in a .gov/.mil heavy crowd, so I shall be censored accordingly and leave at this.

YMMV, like you said,,,, Makes me wonder how a tactical line jacket from WT on midway isn't berry compliant though if they all are? I guess they have a line for the public and I line for the .gov/.mil folks.

plong said:
A TRADITION OF QUALITY, MADE RIGHT HERE IN THE USA


  • Our WT Tactical line for the US Military is Berry Amendment compliant. This means every button, zipper, thread and fabric in our garments is made in the USA. We know of no other maker of technical outwear that can make that claim.

I just know its worked well for me... YMMV! By the way: no argument from me on Schoeller ;)
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dbowhunter said:
YMMV, like you said,,,, Makes me wonder how a tactical line jacket from WT on midway isn't berry compliant though if they all are? I guess they have a line for the public and I line for the .gov/.mil folks.
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I called Wild Things directly to ask that very question. Here's what I was told (paraphrase; as closely as I can remember the conversation): The jacket Midway was (is?) selling is actually manufactured as part of the Wild Things Smith and Wesson line all of which is produced overseas. The fabrics, etc. are supposed to all be the same as the US made gear (after personal observation I'm not sure I'd vouch for that...) You won't find the Midway jacket on the Wild Things website, it was made specifically for resellers.

Everything I've purchased directly from Wild Things has been labeled Made in USA. In the long-run I really question the wisdom of their decision to produce multiple versions of the same jacket... leaves the door open to exactly what I experienced if the reseller drops the ball. If this had been my first purchase of their product my overall impression wouldn't have been favorable and I'm confident there wouldn't have been a second (and maybe I'd be asking if anyone had a good line on Kuiu ;))
 
Fair enough...Let me just finish (again) with, if you get a chance to fondle some Kuiu gear.. you'll like it.. mil friendly? not if camo is the deciding factor, as it can be for duty use, but it will rock your socks in quality... available in earthly solids as well... I have sent much more expensive pieces to the closet since finding this stuff...

It's nearly impossible to make a jump to a brand like that without touching it...but you will appreciate it if you do.

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I called Wild Things directly to ask that very question. Here's what I was told (paraphrase; as closely as I can remember the conversation): The jacket Midway was (is?) selling is actually manufactured as part of the Wild Things Smith and Wesson line all of which is produced overseas. The fabrics, etc. are supposed to all be the same as the US made gear (after personal observation I'm not sure I'd vouch for that...) You won't find the Midway jacket on the Wild Things website, it was made specifically for resellers.

Everything I've purchased directly from Wild Things has been labeled Made in USA. In the long-run I really question the wisdom of their decision to produce multiple versions of the same jacket... leaves the door open to exactly what I experienced if the reseller drops the ball. If this had been my first purchase of their product my overall impression wouldn't have been favorable and I'm confident there wouldn't have been a second (and maybe I'd be asking if anyone had a good line on Kuiu ;))
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Might have to check it out some time! Cammo isn't the issue for me, most of my gear, Wild Things or otherwise, is some form of coyote brown. In my neck-o-the-woods that translates well as "Carhartt" brown. FWIW I'd say the same thing about Wild Things: check it out in person some time. I too think you'd be favorably impressed with both the build quality and performance.
 
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Yeah, nice discussion...I may just have to check out a Kuiu soft shell in an earth color. I guess I don't HAVE to have multicam...even though it obviously makes you shoot better.

Anyways, appreciate the input...and the Dodgeball clips. Classic!
 
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