If you had over 100 posts previously you still should be ok. StrykerVet posted in another thread that the system still has the posts, just lost the counter. Lowlight posted in the Snipershide forum info thread something about a tweak that will allow us to post in the for sale sections. Try and post what you want to sell, I think it will work.
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If you had over 100 posts previously you still should be ok. StrykerVet posted in another thread that the system still has the posts, just lost the counter. Lowlight posted in the Snipershide forum info thread something about a tweak that will allow us to post in the for sale sections. Try and post what you want to sell, I think it will work.
Because of the problems with the post counter, there are now a couple of ways for people whose count shows less than 100 posts to list things to sell.
I'm looking to go to UNSC tomorrow for some 600 yard plinking. Is anyone else interested? PM me if you are a member and going. I could get there about 10 or 10:30 AM? I'd like to try out a new load at distance to see how it groups. The round doesn't seem to settle much at short distance so I want to see if it has any hope compared to the Berger VLDs I typically use before I scrap that entire effort
Had a terrific time today at my first UN shoot. I learned a lot. Just a great bunch of shooters.
Great to see you out there Sacshooter and couldn't of asked for a better weather day.
Here's some pictures from the match, Mike took some great ones on here too.
Think the last photo sums up how we all feel sometimes at matches lol.
Be sure to hit the full screen tab to see the brass flying.
Here's some pictures from the match, Mike took some great ones on here too.
Think the last photo sums up how we all feel sometimes at matches lol.
Be sure to hit the full screen tab to see the brass flying.
Anyone thinking that a bolt gun is at a disadvantage for speed vs. semi auto's at matches. Here's a great picture Mike took.
Weak side behind the barricade, notice where the flying brass is and where the next round is in the chamber
Weak side behind the barricade, notice where the flying brass is and where the next round is in the chamber
That picture of Ryan is priceless!
Anyone thinking that a bolt gun is at a disadvantage for speed vs. semi auto's at matches. Here's a great picture Mike took.
Weak side behind the barricade, notice where the flying brass is and where the next round is in the chamber
And then take notice that you're not in your sight picture nor ready to pull the trigger lol...
Seriously though your 6.5 is friggin awesome...
Thanks to everyone at the UNSC match yesterday. I had a great time and learned from everyone there as usual. AtOne The pics were great as always. If any of you guys ever want to get together and turn some rounds let me know. You are group of guys anyone should consider themselves lucky to be able to shoot with. Looking forward to seeing you all there next month, on the 6th.
Think Ryan was just wiping the sweat off his face but it sure had that Face Palm look to the picture lol.
Yea Nick with Semi you don't have to worry about hitting yourself in the face when running the bolt weak side, Also looking up a little to find the next target, can't do it well through the scope with my left eye. Hell I have to close my right eye because I'm so right eye dominate I don't see the reticle.
Yea Nick with Semi you don't have to worry about hitting yourself in the face when running the bolt weak side
, Also looking up a little to find the next target, can't do it well through the scope with my left eye. Hell I have to close my right eye because I'm so right eye dominate I don't see the reticle. This being my first match at UN, here are some lessons learned on my part that may help a new shooter:
1) Get a playbook wrist band / wrist coach to hold your dope card, etc.
2) Highlight the numbers in red on your dope card when you need to dial down to eliminate confusion. In my case I dialed up from my 200yd zero when I should have dialed down.
3) Thanks to Travis who coached me before the last stage - he told me to focus on accuracy over speed and it sure helped. Don't worry about hitting every target. He said I appeared "hurried and rushed" in the earlier stages (I'm sure he was being kind in his description) so I just tried to chill out. The speed will come.
4) There is certainly a technique to shooting off a tripod or barricade. The better shooters found ways to achieve bone support whenever possible - many used a kneeling position.
5) Learn to shoot from your weak side. I have never practiced the technique since I am amblyopic and as a result have very poor vision in my right eye even when corrected (so I'm a left handed shooter). I can make out the target (it's just very blurry) so I believe I can become proficient with practice. It will be like shooting with iron sights where the target is blurry. This will represent my greatest challenge.
6) Make sure you have a case/backpack, etc. that will hold your rifle with all accessories attached - like a suppressor. You'll need it when you carry your rifle to the shooting line.
7) Bring a pair of binoculars to study target placement, etc.
1) Get a playbook wrist band / wrist coach to hold your dope card, etc.
2) Highlight the numbers in red on your dope card when you need to dial down to eliminate confusion. In my case I dialed up from my 200yd zero when I should have dialed down.
3) Thanks to Travis who coached me before the last stage - he told me to focus on accuracy over speed and it sure helped. Don't worry about hitting every target. He said I appeared "hurried and rushed" in the earlier stages (I'm sure he was being kind in his description) so I just tried to chill out. The speed will come.
4) There is certainly a technique to shooting off a tripod or barricade. The better shooters found ways to achieve bone support whenever possible - many used a kneeling position.
5) Learn to shoot from your weak side. I have never practiced the technique since I am amblyopic and as a result have very poor vision in my right eye even when corrected (so I'm a left handed shooter). I can make out the target (it's just very blurry) so I believe I can become proficient with practice. It will be like shooting with iron sights where the target is blurry. This will represent my greatest challenge.
6) Make sure you have a case/backpack, etc. that will hold your rifle with all accessories attached - like a suppressor. You'll need it when you carry your rifle to the shooting line.
7) Bring a pair of binoculars to study target placement, etc.
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I have a question for those of you shooting with tripods at the UNSC match. They all seamed to be the same make, and I was wondering what system you were using. I never thought I would need one but after watching some of the shooters in the unsupported position I think I saw a nice advantage to one. So I was wondering about were I should start if I was looking at them?
Most of the folks seemed to be shooting with a Manfrotto tripod with one of their ball heads. The 055XPROB is very popular: 055XPROB Pro Tripod - Black 055XPROB - 055 Series | Manfrotto
I topped mine off with a Hog Saddle but I noticed others using using simple cradles. I also saw a direct connect setup too.
The Hog Saddle is nice because you can clamp it on your rifle and leave it in place (see attached picture). Certainly good for observation and fixed positions. However, I lost valuable time during the match doing that so I will need to modify my technique. I'll simply leave the Hog Saddle jaws open and use it as a cradle.
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Tripods are handy at matches and lately it seems like even the larger matches are using more stages where their allowed.
Any tripod will do as will the cradle depending on what you want to accomplish with it. My tripod is my old Gitzo and I made the cradle for it.
The best suggestion is get one that is light...mines not. So when your packing it along with the rest of your gear for a two day match and putting in 7 miles over that time that extra 6lbs really starts pissing you off if you don't use it much lol.
Any tripod will do as will the cradle depending on what you want to accomplish with it. My tripod is my old Gitzo and I made the cradle for it.
The best suggestion is get one that is light...mines not. So when your packing it along with the rest of your gear for a two day match and putting in 7 miles over that time that extra 6lbs really starts pissing you off if you don't use it much lol.
Do what he says. Manfrotto makes a carbon fiber version that is quite a bit lighter....and expensive.
Had a great day of shooting with you guys. Met new people and hung out with old friends. Very relaxing atmosphere and allows for great practice. Looking forward to more of them.
Looks like you guys had decent weather to shoot in. Nice video as always Eric, and that barricade looks vaguely familiar. Unfortunately I don't have a creative mind as to what weird positions to practice on through the various openings. Light breeze at the home range...100 rds of ammo to burn up, whats a guy to do....
For the person asking about tripods, the PRS is relatively light with the slik tripod...If you go the Hog Saddle route you're gonna want a relatively sturdy tripod...look at the recommended capacities before purchasing/ and do a search here on the Hide...you may want something that will hold 15-19 lbs depending on your rifle/scope weight. I may upgrade someplace down the line sometime...when mo funds become available.
Light breeze at the home range...100 rds of ammo to burn up, whats a guy to do....For the person asking about tripods, the PRS is relatively light with the slik tripod...If you go the Hog Saddle route you're gonna want a relatively sturdy tripod...look at the recommended capacities before purchasing/ and do a search here on the Hide...you may want something that will hold 15-19 lbs depending on your rifle/scope weight. I may upgrade someplace down the line sometime...when mo funds become available.
Match results were just sent out to everyone on the email list. If anyone can transfer the email onto this site, that would be terrific. I don't have a clue how to transfer it over, and don't really fancy the idea of re-typing it all here.
I bought a camera tripod at a local store, and made my own cradle out of a 4 inch ABS plumbing fitting that I padded with sleeping pad and covered with leather. The local hardware store sells a fitting that threads directely through the ABS fitting and onto the tripod's threaded camera holding fixture. My tripod and cradle only weighs about 3-4 pounds total.
If you can learn to shoot in the seated position where use your right elbow (for right handed shooters) on your knee it helps brace the rear of your rifle quite well with the tripod. It feels awkward at first, but between the tripod in front, and your knee/arm bracing the rear of the rifle, it is really a surprisingly stable position.
I bought a camera tripod at a local store, and made my own cradle out of a 4 inch ABS plumbing fitting that I padded with sleeping pad and covered with leather. The local hardware store sells a fitting that threads directely through the ABS fitting and onto the tripod's threaded camera holding fixture. My tripod and cradle only weighs about 3-4 pounds total.
If you can learn to shoot in the seated position where use your right elbow (for right handed shooters) on your knee it helps brace the rear of your rifle quite well with the tripod. It feels awkward at first, but between the tripod in front, and your knee/arm bracing the rear of the rifle, it is really a surprisingly stable position.
Penalty points were given for targets missed during the stages, 5 seconds for each golf ball not hit on stage 1, and 10 seconds for each steel target on the other stages. These points were added to the shooters total time from stages 2-4. The lower the time the better the score (like in golf).
I'm sorry if I didn't get your hide name on here, I can't remember them all. Send me a pm with your name and I will edit this post with your hide name.
BOLT GUNS
AtOne- Stage time= 404.15 + 35 seconds penalty = 439.15 total time
RBros- Stage time= 422.18 + 30 seconds penalty = 452.18 total time
Mike W- Stage time= 492.50 + 60 seconds penalty = 552.50 total time
KevinD- Stage time= 488.25 + 100 seconds penalty = 588.25 total time
Reed W- Stage time= 523.72 + 70 seconds penalty = 593.72 total time
Sacshooter- Stage time= 476.00 + 140 seconds penalty = 616.00 total time
Silverbullet2- Stage time= 529.78 + 135 seconds penalty = 664.78 total time
Justin D- Stage time= 455.61 + 225 seconds penalty = 680.61 total time
blurry6- Stage time= 516.00 + 165 seconds penalty = 681.00 total time
Steepdiver- Stage time= 507.65 + 175 seconds penalty = 682.65 total time
GAS GUNS
Steve M- Stage time= 468.25 + 100 seconds penalty = 568.25 total time
Flashfire- Stage time= 507.34 + 160 seconds penalty = 667.34 total time
Brian D- Stage time= 459.57 + 310 seconds penalty = 769.57 total time
I'm sorry if I didn't get your hide name on here, I can't remember them all. Send me a pm with your name and I will edit this post with your hide name.
BOLT GUNS
AtOne- Stage time= 404.15 + 35 seconds penalty = 439.15 total time
RBros- Stage time= 422.18 + 30 seconds penalty = 452.18 total time
Mike W- Stage time= 492.50 + 60 seconds penalty = 552.50 total time
KevinD- Stage time= 488.25 + 100 seconds penalty = 588.25 total time
Reed W- Stage time= 523.72 + 70 seconds penalty = 593.72 total time
Sacshooter- Stage time= 476.00 + 140 seconds penalty = 616.00 total time
Silverbullet2- Stage time= 529.78 + 135 seconds penalty = 664.78 total time
Justin D- Stage time= 455.61 + 225 seconds penalty = 680.61 total time
blurry6- Stage time= 516.00 + 165 seconds penalty = 681.00 total time
Steepdiver- Stage time= 507.65 + 175 seconds penalty = 682.65 total time
GAS GUNS
Steve M- Stage time= 468.25 + 100 seconds penalty = 568.25 total time
Flashfire- Stage time= 507.34 + 160 seconds penalty = 667.34 total time
Brian D- Stage time= 459.57 + 310 seconds penalty = 769.57 total time
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Eric, I have gitzo tripod also, thanks for shaing the info on how to make a DIY hog-saddle. I'll have to give this a go my self and see what I come up with.
Also - thanks again for another great video!
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Flashfire. Get a ball head that accepts Arca Swiss plates and order one, Ebay, Amazon where' ever you like.
Mine is made of Lexan that I heated and bent into a U shape and lined the inside with 2" sticky back velcro ( Smooth side )
If your using the Arca plate you'd need to drill and epoxy a nut to receive the screw that's on the plate itself I'd also dab some epoxy between the plate and the lexan.
Mine has a plate I had milled that receives a mating nut so the plate won't turn.
Dibbs method is the easiest for sure and the PRS cradles work great.
Neither of these are a Hog Saddle as their just a rest for the rifle. With the Hog you definitely want a tripod and ball head rated for the load which does mean more weight.
Shooting sticks work too
Mine is made of Lexan that I heated and bent into a U shape and lined the inside with 2" sticky back velcro ( Smooth side )
If your using the Arca plate you'd need to drill and epoxy a nut to receive the screw that's on the plate itself I'd also dab some epoxy between the plate and the lexan.
Mine has a plate I had milled that receives a mating nut so the plate won't turn.
Dibbs method is the easiest for sure and the PRS cradles work great.
Neither of these are a Hog Saddle as their just a rest for the rifle. With the Hog you definitely want a tripod and ball head rated for the load which does mean more weight.
Shooting sticks work too
Pretty much summed up my day yesterday
Oh well,... I blew the dust off my camera tripod last night and am deciding how to configure a handy/speedy rest,... Oh, and SCREW OFFHAND!!!,... I think I'm gonna get a T-Shirt made Ry
Pretty much summed up my day yesterday
Ry
I'll take one in XXL!
Ill take 2 large please. Great pics from the match, thanks
I looked at the photo's from the match again. There are some VERY neat rifles out there. If someone was trying to figure out what kind of gear to get looking at the gear people bring to a match would drive them crazy , because there is so much great kit, and it ALL works just like it is supposed to. There was only one rifle at the match that seemed to have reliability issues...not too bad of a reliability record considering how many different systems and shooters were in use.
Mile High just got in a shipment of AI mags - I recall somebody at the UN match was looking for some. You'll need to call in as their web site / inventory has not been updated. I just picked up two for my AIAW.
There are things about malfunctions that aren't the fault of the equipment, but instead the user (like me). I have been loading my OAL too long for the magazine. I get super accurate sub 1/4" rounds chasing the lands within a few thousands, but it creates feed problems when the tip of the bullet drags in the magazine causing the round to stick instead of popping up into position. I finally found an acceptable OAL that just fits, but I lost considerable accuracy doing it. Cutting this tolerance so close like I do isn't without problems. Some of the Bergers tend to be a bit longer than others and I still get magazine sticking problems once in a while. I guess I need to tip all of my bullets and I'd solve my problems.
Does anyone have any experience tipping and if so, which tool is best? Do you see any significant weight difference in the rounds? Then again, it could be runout which I do not check.
Scott, Whiddens bullet pointing system and metplat trimmer seems to get the most positive feedback, German Salazar wrote an excellent article on the results he had. With regards to runout, it is basically the deviation the bullet is out from being perfectly in line from the center of the case, caused by variations in neck thickness and bullet profile.
Always waiting on something...
Are you shooting a semi-auto or bolt? If semi-auto I think I'd take a file to the front wall of a pmag and see how thin I could get it before it lost structural integrity.
The kind that goes bang...
Of course...for the children...
Nick
I have a brake that allows you to adjust the gas flow, and cant of the brake. On a select fire rifle, I used to have it where there was zero muzzle climb and zero side movement. You are welcome to use it until yours comes in. It is the only brake like this I have ever seen...Not for sale, but you can use it while you wait if you wish.
Seattle-LRS, you might want to ask Travis...he was telling me about re-pointing bullets. Magazines limiting length is something that shooters struggle with whether it is a semi-auto, or bolt gun. Semi-autos are more limiting though.
If I had to choose between a little less accuracy or reliability, I would go with reliability. When my rifle malfunctions, I have a hard time remembering, or implementing the perfect plan I had in mind.
I have a brake that allows you to adjust the gas flow, and cant of the brake. On a select fire rifle, I used to have it where there was zero muzzle climb and zero side movement. You are welcome to use it until yours comes in. It is the only brake like this I have ever seen...Not for sale, but you can use it while you wait if you wish.
Seattle-LRS, you might want to ask Travis...he was telling me about re-pointing bullets. Magazines limiting length is something that shooters struggle with whether it is a semi-auto, or bolt gun. Semi-autos are more limiting though.
If I had to choose between a little less accuracy or reliability, I would go with reliability. When my rifle malfunctions, I have a hard time remembering, or implementing the perfect plan I had in mind.
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I have an adjustable gas block already. I need this particular surefire brake so I can adjust it for use with the suppressor. I'm not sure what I'll run in it yet as far as ammo goes. It's got a Rainier Ultramatch 18" with intermediate gas chambered in .223 Wylde with a 1:8 twist. Once I have it all together and the gas tuned I'll likely run various shelf ammo from 55-77gr and see what groups best. Time is an issue right now as well as access to the range so doing load development for reloading isn't really a possibility.
What I have is an adjustable muzzle brake, not a gas bloc...but it doesn't matter if you want to run your suppressor with the surefire brake. The brake I have would need to be removed to run a suppressor.
@ slm9s: I'm shooting a bolt gun. I have seriously considered taking the grinder to one of my mags and slicing out a slot wide enough for the tips. I decided against it when I remembered how much those things cost.
@ Marty: I'll check out that product - thanks! BTW, you are one hell of a shooter. It was fun taking Carl's course with you.
@ Unknown: I don't know Travis' username so I can ping him directly. I'd have to agree that a loss in accuracy is better than reliablilty problems. I need some more range time with a different OAL at 400 to 600 yards to see how the round settles out with a larger jump to the lands. Performance at 100 yards is relative if the trajectory sweetens up at distance. I think the tolerances I have been running may be overkill, but my local range only goes to 200 and it is difficult to know for sure. It is pretty nice shooting 15 rounds through a single hole at 100 like a laser beam as it builds a hell of a lot of confidence for distance shots. At that course I took with Marty I was hitting head shots on steel at 1000 one after another all day.
@ Marty: I'll check out that product - thanks! BTW, you are one hell of a shooter. It was fun taking Carl's course with you.
@ Unknown: I don't know Travis' username so I can ping him directly. I'd have to agree that a loss in accuracy is better than reliablilty problems. I need some more range time with a different OAL at 400 to 600 yards to see how the round settles out with a larger jump to the lands. Performance at 100 yards is relative if the trajectory sweetens up at distance. I think the tolerances I have been running may be overkill, but my local range only goes to 200 and it is difficult to know for sure. It is pretty nice shooting 15 rounds through a single hole at 100 like a laser beam as it builds a hell of a lot of confidence for distance shots. At that course I took with Marty I was hitting head shots on steel at 1000 one after another all day.
Scott, Travis is simply Rbros, he should have some ideas for you.
For bench shooters, jam fitting isn't an issue.For the type of shooting we do, a malfunction, or having the lands pull your bullet so the cartridge's contents get dumped in your action can be disastrous. In a true tactical scenario, either problem could end up as the last mistake we make.
One option is the jump tolerant 175 Sierra Match King (assuming you are shooting a .308). Running them at just over 2600 FPS (43 gr Varget) and magazine length (2.810) I get outstanding accuracy. Attached pictures are 5 shot group shot from my bipod at 100 yards.
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I was just informed they'll be running drills in the morning starting next month on the first Saturday of each month that I'll have to attend. So I'll be out from the monthly matches which means a few a you will have one less heckler who never shoots lol...
