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Suppressors Contact BATF comment about proposed rules for NFA

It is imperative that 2A supporters get involved with this. Don't just submit a comment to this but also follow it up with phone calling and meeting with your representatives. The 2nd amendment is under attack and there are many trickle down consequences. If this goes through suppressor technology will retard as will competitive pricing, etc.
Take a few minutes and get involved so at least you can say I tried.

Thanks Sonic for posting. -Evan
 
Done. I went on about how it's basically redundant 1930's verification paperwork, particularly outdated given how much information they have in their modern databases that they run the checks on anyway, mentioning the 4473 and pistol papers, state and fed. background check, etc. How this will only slow down an already crippled and slow system, backlogged entirely with honest, hardworking, tax-paying Americans "doing it the right way" and how this only makes it harder them.

The criminal wasn't doing the paperwork for NFA items in the first place, so making it harder only hurts us doing it legally. And it's not like you can make it double legal anyway!
 
I have done this and just bumping it up so more people see this and can make a positive comment against more regs!!
 
up to 2700 comments now on that regulations.gov website. i plan to submit comments every single day. ive already bombarded my senators and reps with snail mail letters stating the same disapproval.
 
it doesnt matter. same comment, different comment, as long as it says you are against it, it wont matter
 
Comment Sent.... We need everyone to comment on this one, even the guys that don't own or think they want a Suppressor / SBR, because pretty soon it will be a requirement to submit CLEO documents and fingerprints for every purchase if we don't stop this crap now...

Semper Fi!

Rick
 
pretty soon it will be a requirement to submit CLEO documents and fingerprints for every purchase if we don't stop this crap now...

Semper Fi!

Rick



I'm pretty sure that's where this is intended to go. National registration for any and all type firearms. If they couldn't do
It from the shotguns on up, then they'll try it with the MGs on down. 2 crimes w/NFA items since the invention of ATF does
Not warrant empowering CLEO to deny people of their 2nd amendment right.
 
Ive got NO issues that ATF "require that each of these persons submit fingerprints and a photograph with a transfer or making application, as well as undergo a background check"
NONE WHAT SO EVER!
 
Ive got NO issues that ATF "require that each of these persons submit fingerprints and a photograph with a transfer or making application, as well as undergo a background check"
NONE WHAT SO EVER!

I'll bet you are a bolt gun guy also that wouldn't have a problem if them "damn assault weapons" where banned also.

I truly think you fail to see the big picture. It is a false statement that NFA items are being obtained this way by restricted persons. No one has brought one single case to the fore front to prove it. It is all heresy and conjecture. All this will do is make true law following americans' life a lot harder.
 
The govt has several thousand dollars of my hard earned money for their "tax stamp! So I think Im a little more than a "bolt gun guy"!
Its not going to make my life any harder.. Yall just need to quit your whining about what the govt is or is not going to do. Don't like it? Go to another Country!

I'll bet you are a bolt gun guy
I truly think you fail to see the big picture. It is a false statement that NFA items are being obtained this way by restricted persons. No one has brought one single case to the fore front to prove it. It is all heresy and conjecture. All this will do is make true law following americans' life a lot harder.
 
.. Yall just need to quit your whining about what the govt is or is not going to do. Don't like it? Go to another Country!


I'm not opposed to finger prints but CLEO is rediculous. Also, this is a bad time to have that kind of additude. If you think the current govrnment is your friend, you are sorely mistaken. I state this and I'm a State/Government employee. The 2A is under attack and it will continue to get worse because of a few politicians and a few mentally deranged people who decide to commit mass shootings. It has always been a knee jerk reaction and they never go after the issues that create the mass shootings, they go after law abiding citizens and their rights. I will never understand that logic.

If I got too political I apologize, just trying to explain why I feel that's a bad attitude to have.
 
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Hi jackalope,

What I specifically said was they will want this information for all firearms purchases next. We are all able to see the writing on the wall showing their true intent is not just the Class III items. They want total gun control and that is why I think everyone should oppose this. It is just one more step to complete gun control!
 
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Here is a copy of what I sent for my comment. Feel free to cut and paste any portion of this that you wish. Just make sure you voice your opinion about this rule change.


Last year there were 39,000 Form 4 applications for Trusts or other Legal Entities. There are no cases in which any of the firearms transferred to Trusts or Corporations have been used in illegal activities or by restricted persons. The problem that this proposed rule change is trying to fix has not even been proven to exist.

This proposed rule is far too over reaching. Trusts and Corporations have been the only method for many US citizens to own NFA items as their Chief Law Enforcement Officers will not sign off on any CLEO Form 4 transfer requests.

The CLEO requirement allows a single individual the opportunity to infringe on an individual's constitutionally guaranteed second amendment rights. There are not checks or balances to prevent unlawful misuse of authority and infringement of these constitutional rights. Instead of trying to impose this restriction on anyone and everyone that may come in contact with an NFA item, this procedure should be removed from the NFA transfer process all together.

There is also no need for a CLEO sign off with the current NICS background check system. As Individuals that are picking up any NFA item(s) for their Trusts or Corporations must complete a Form 4473 and have a NICS background check performed before they can pick up any NFA items.

CLEO sign off, fingerprinting, and passport photo requirements for individuals were all implemented long before the NICS background check system, to help assist in performing a background check on individuals wanting to possess NFA Items. The purposes for the CLEO sign off, fingerprinting and passport photos have been eliminated by the NICS background check system, as this new system is capable of performing an instantaneous background check that is more complete than any background check done with a CLEO sign off, fingerprints, an passport photos in the past.

To purchase a firearm from a dealer does not require fingerprinting, CLEO sign off, or passport photos, as they are not necessary to perform a thorough and complete background check. To purchase NFA items should not require anything from the purchaser above or beyond what is federally required for them to purchase a firearm through a dealer.

A better solution to this the problem that has yet been proven to exist of NFA Items owned by Trusts or other Legal Entities potentially finding their way into the hands of restricted persons, would be to have the responsible persons of these entities complete a 4473 and have a NICS background check done prior to picking up the NFA item(s) from their dealer, and forget about expensive, time consuming, and unnecessary items such as fingerprinting, passport photos, and CLEO sign off.

Your current proposed rule change will also prevent NFA dealers for assisting customers in using the new efile system for Form 4's electronically as the only Form 4 applications that can be accepted electronically are for Trusts or Companies that are not submitting fingerprints, photos, or CLEO sign offs.

The current staff at the NFA branch of the NFA are far to over worked and backlogged to take on the additional work this proposed rule change will require. The NFA Branch is currently quoting 13-15 months for Form 4 transfers submitted on paper. This is totally unacceptable. 10 years ago a Form 4 transfer took less than 3 weeks. With the money being brought in by NFA tax stamps, there should be more employees hired by the NFA Branch of the ATF to deal with the current demand and backlog.

The NFA Branch of the ATF should be looking at proposals on how to fix their current overwhelming backlog of transfer requests, and not proposing rule changes that will add unnecessary paperwork, expense, and time consuming steps for all involved in the NFA Transfer Process.

The only thing this proposed rule change will do is make it more difficult, expensive, and time consuming for citizens of the United States to procure NFA items that are protected by the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
 
Ive got NO issues that ATF "require that each of these persons submit fingerprints and a photograph with a transfer or making application, as well as undergo a background check"
NONE WHAT SO EVER!

Why should fingerprints and passport photos be required to purchase NFA Items? Would it be ok to require everyone to do this that wanted to own a firearm?
 
Don't like it? Go to another Country!

You sir, are a fool. Thats the same excuse millions of mexicans use to come here. This country is in the shitty way it is because of your apathetic attitude and other's like you. "quit your whining about what the govt is or is not going to do" Ya, that'll get good results.


Made my comment on the register.
 
I submit comments all the time. Never hurts to keep going and force them to listen! Got to fight to make a change.
 
Yep I'm a fool, I'm clueless etc etc. but the bottom line is all you whiny bitches about your Second Amendment rights this and that when the government does come and try to take your weapons and you guys say you're going to have to take him from my hands, i'm not going down without a fight blah blah blah. You will lose and you will end up giving up your weapons or you will go to jail or for some of you real stupid asses out there you will probably be shot. Let's face it it's a new government these days things are changing and there is not a damn thing you or anyone is going to be able to do about it
 
Just commented. Any indication when these rules are supposed to go into effect? I tried reading it all and my eyes started going cross...
 
it doesnt matter. same comment, different comment, as long as it says you are against it, it wont matter

This has about the same legitimacy as an election in a dictatorship.

They don't give a F*** about your comments - the decision has already been made.
 
posted my comments a long time ago.
yes, only a little under 3000 comments and not even a whole lot of chatter here in the suppressor form. I feel like one of the few handful of people who care . maybe its because I live in a county where the CLEO flat out WONT sign off. I would suspect that other residing in fair CLEO countys are in for a suprise the day a new "anti suppressor" CLEO rides in
 
Didn't Dorner out in CA use a trust? I thought he did, and if so, it isn't going to be of benefit to say no trust NFA arms have been used in a crime.

I'll hit up the comment site... But I feel like it won't help; I don't see them telling the pres to push sand on this.
 
I just posted my comment, I sincerely hope everyone on here who owns a Class III weapon or device, or plans on getting one, will take five minutes of their time and post their position. It may not make any difference, but we surely have to try.

Anyway, best to all, good shooting.
 
The govt has several thousand dollars of my hard earned money for their "tax stamp! So I think Im a little more than a "bolt gun guy"!
Its not going to make my life any harder.. Yall just need to quit your whining about what the govt is or is not going to do. Don't like it? Go to another Country!

Might as well this is not the USA that our forefathers fought for our freedom from the British.This USA is for the rich and powerful not the legal working gun owning American citizens...
 
Comments submitted. 6679 to date. It won't matter as Obama has directed Holder to make this happen so it will regardless of what anyone says about it.