Elfster. CHARGEMASTER. Optional. Pen. Straw. Mod. (with pics)

[elfster1234]

Other additional information on reloading: http://www.snipershide.com/[email protected]

I still wanted the requirement of being able to use the classic straw mod so this is what I came up with.... I took the insert out of a soft touch bic pen, wrapped enough blue painters tape around the pen insert (as in the pic) just enough so the optional insert can easily be inserted & removed as an option. I just tried it with 100 total @ 23.8grn powder drops of varget for 5.56 reloading without a single under / over throw AND THAT WAS WITH VARGET, and it usually stopped dropping powder right after 23.7 @ 23.8 on the nose. It does take about an extra 2 to 3 seconds per charge, BUT from what I've tested so far there was no need to scoop any powder out from over drops so the extra time wasted is somewhat of a wash (for lower grn powder drops like 5.56 / might not be the best for drops 40grns or more but you can test it as an option if you like)..... When you're done dropping powder, put pan in place, put finger over the plastic insert hole so powder doesn't spill, pull out the optional plastic insert as powder drops in pan, & run the chargemaster empty for storage purposes when done dropping powder. This optional insert glides in and out really easy but you need to guage the correct amount of tape that you wrap around the insert. If you like to fiddle around, give it a try and see what you think. So far, I'm really happy with it.

I took the insert out of this type of pen. The plastic pen insert is about 1-1/2" long give or take. Just an FYI, my straw mod is the same length:

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EDIT:
OK GANG!! I was able to shave off a considerable amount of time while hopefully keeping the same consistent / accurate drops by simply re-programing the unit. I have yet to do a considerable amount of drops with this new programing, but i'll let you know after I drop this next 100rounds of ammo tonight. So far, it has been looking really good! This is what I came up with for the test

Was able to get 41.5grns varget down to 25 to 26 seconds (from 33 seconds)

was able to get 24.0grns varget down to 15 to 16 seconds (from 25seconds)

1. Turn the unit on.
2. When 0.0gn is on the display, press BOTH the ENTER and the EDIT MEM keys on the dispenser at the same time. If done properly ADJUST PARAMETER should scroll across the display

To change the setting, just use the number pad and type in the new setting. If you wanted to change the first setting to 7.00, you would type in 700. When you have the variable set, simply press ENTER to move to the next setting. You'll have to press enter a number of times (20+) to get through the rest of the settings, and then the unit will reboot itself.

Here are my settings:
HSP A1 -6.95
HSP B1 - 2.30
HSP C1 - 0.85


I'll let you know how tonight's 100 drops go & if I play around with these updated re-program settings anymore.

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BTW, I'm using this MOD of the MOD with the following video chargemaster re-program:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DRJCL0D3A&feature=player_embedded

 

[Cacciatore]

Awesome idea! This is definitely getting done to my chargemasters.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Looks Awsome. Great idea!!

 

[elfster1234]

Let me know what you think. It doesnt hurt to try it and to have as an option, especially when its damn near free if you have the pen and tape laying around the house.

Awesome idea! This is definitely getting done to my chargemasters.

 

[Pinecone]

Watching mine run, it seems that this is the way to go. An insert with a ribbed interior.

I am sure I have seen some straw and some place that had lengthwise ribs inside. I just need to find them.

My thoughts are, the ribs will break up the clumps of powder so it can drop a few granules, rather the a clump.

 

[elfster1234]

I hear what you're saying.

If you look close enough to the very last picture of the pen MOD tube fully inserted, you will see there are two very very small ribs inside the pen tube insert. From what I've tested so far, this pen MOD with those two little interior ribs literally trickles varget powder at about 2pcs of varget each when the machine slows down & comes close to your target weight. So far I'm super happy with it, especially for lower weight charges like 5.56 ammo.

I would be interested if anyone runs this Elfster. CHARGEMASTER. Optional. Pen. Straw. Mod. & finds a better re-programing for the chargemaster which is more geared towards the smaller diameter pen tube insert.

Watching mine run, it seems that this is the way to go. An insert with a ribbed interior.

I am sure I have seen some straw and some place that had lengthwise ribs inside. I just need to find them.

My thoughts are, the ribs will break up the clumps of powder so it can drop a few granules, rather the a clump.

 

[J-ROD]

This is great, thanks for posting!!!!
It's also weird because last night i was giving my CM one more try before i sold it. I was thinking if i could make the tube smaller ID, it would line the kernels up closer to single file or double file, versus the mound that forms now even with the straw.
When my CM is actually able to trickle in a couple kernels at a time, it is surprisingly accurate....my A&D balance was reading +/- one kernel, maybe two every now and then. Definitely worth keeping if this mod mod helps.
On the way to the mancave now to try.
Thanks again, woot!


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[Copen1822]

Awesome! Thanks for posting this.

 

[elfster1234]

not a problem.... put it this way..... I just loaded 100 total charges at 23.8 VARGET, without a single under / over throw. I'm sure with some re-programing of the chargemaster it could be even better, but I'm not totally sure how to re-program the unit unless I'm following the above video! LOL.

The trick is to put JUST ENOUGH painters / masking tape on the ~ 1-1/2" plastic pen insert so it is snug & stays inserted, but not too snug that it comes back out during the powder drop, but also so you can still take it out as an optional insert.

Let us all know how it works out.

This is great, thanks for posting!!!!
It's also weird because last night i was giving my CM one more try before i sold it. I was thinking if i could make the tube smaller ID, it would line the kernels up closer to single file or double file, versus the mound that forms now even with the straw.
When my CM is actually able to trickle in a couple kernels at a time, it is surprisingly accurate....my A&D balance was reading +/- one kernel, maybe two every now and then. Definitely worth keeping if this mod mod helps.
On the way to the mancave now to try.
Thanks again, woot!


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[shooter.dm]

My lyman gen 6 comes with a insert that makes the hole smaller and it has maybe twice over or under thrown a charge .1 with varget or h380 out of about 2000 rounds that I have loaded

 

[elfster1234]

I can't help it. I'm an estimator by trade. LOL

I ran some tests loading up 50 total .308 amax ammo today. Once again, it ran all 50 drops perfect. 50 out of 50 with no under / over drops. With yesterday's 100 drops, this make this mod absolutely perfect for 150 out of 150 drops. This is what I came up with:


1.)
It took 33seconds to drop 41.5grns varget with the pen insert.
It took 18seconds to drop 41.5grns varget without the pen insert and just the straw mod only but got an over throw about every 7 to 8th drops.
For 50 total drops = 15 extra seconds per drop x 50 drops = 12.5 extra minutes for all 50 drops with pen insert, but all drops perfect.


2.)
I then tested 24grns varget as if I was loading your average 5.56 round.
It took 25 seconds to drop 24.0 varget with the pen insert.
It took 14seconds to drop 24.0 varget without the pen insert and just the straw mod only.
For 50 total drops for pure example = 11 extra seconds per drop x 50 drops example = 9.166 extra minutes for all 50 drops with pen insert, but all drops perfect.


I think with some more programing, you might be able to still use the pen insert mod & increase the drop time. If anyone figures out some better re-programing with the smaller pen diameter insert to speed up the process, then let me know.

So far, I love the fact I never need to scoop over drops and I going to stick the with PEN MOD for now until I can figure out something even better.... I wouldn't say scooping out over drops with a plastic spoon is a total wash, but in my best estimation... if you have about 1 out of 7 to 8 drops with the straw mod from over dropping, and it takes about 15seconds to fix the over drop with a plastic spoon, then you're spending about 2 to 3 minutes on 50 drops fixing over drops. The one thing I have noticed with the pen insert MOD, is when the unit slows down when approaching the target drop, it is really precise & trickles 1 to 2 pcs of varget at a time which is really awesome... and not dumping huge clumps... Also, for pure 41.5 varget drop example, being that the insert is dropping 1 to 2 pcs of varget as the unit slows down, the insert might drop only 1 to 2pcs of varget as it goes from 41.4 to 41.5... Which I think will increase accuracy with less vertical stringing.

 

[J-ROD]

Great data, i'm a data nut so i like seeing this type of testing.
I am seating while the powder is dumping so no sweat if it takes longer, i just want it to be right.


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[rjacobs]

I just run the straw and with the programing tweaked(I have to change settings for stick like Varget, ball like A1680 or H335, and donuts like Trail Boss), but with the individual tweaked speeds loaded up with just the McDonalds straw I probably get one over throw ever 50 and it only over throws by .1 generally which for me is acceptable and is actually in the advertised .1 tolerance that the unit can measure anyway. The thing is fast with the tweaked speeds too.

 

[JRM83]

I can't help it. I'm an estimator by trade. LOL

I ran some tests loading up 50 total .308 amax ammo today. Once again, it ran all 50 drops perfect. 50 out of 50 with no under / over drops. With yesterday's 100 drops, this make this mod absolutely perfect for 150 out of 150 drops. This is what I came up with:


1.)
It took 33seconds to drop 41.5grns varget with the pen insert.
It took 18seconds to drop 41.5grns varget without the pen insert and just the straw mod only but got an over throw about every 7 to 8th drops.
For 50 total drops = 15 extra seconds per drop x 50 drops = 12.5 extra minutes for all 50 drops with pen insert, but all drops perfect.

I have spent a fair amount of time playing around with the chargemaster and various "straw" mods. I still think the the best is the original straw without a reducer of some kind. In your testing it takes nearly double the amount of time to throw a charge with pen insert as opposed to just the straw. When the chargemaster overthrows you don't have to dump the entire charge and start over, you can just dump (or scoop) a little of the powder out, set the pan back on the scale, and then hit dispense. It will then trickle powder to the desired weight. It takes about 15 seconds to dump a tiny bit of powder, and re-trickle the remainder to the correct weight. In the worst case it is a wash with the pen insert, and in every other case strictly superior.

In my experience the size of the reducer is critical. If it is too small it will take forever to dispense the charge (even if it is super accurate), and obviously too large results in overthrows. One way I have found to "tune" the size of the reducer is to take a strip of paper, and wrap it around a hex key until there is enough paper to fit snugly inside the straw. If it trickles too slowly, use the next size hex key to make a bigger opening. If you get too many overthrows then reduce the size. When you find the right size just set that aside and use it for that type of powder.

At the end of the day, even after playing with various reducers, straw configurations (including the one with the cut ends), and messing with the settings, it seems like the most efficient way to run the chargemaster is with a basic reprogramming and the straw mod. The speed of this just outweighs any accuracy increases I have found with other methods. I really hope someone can come up with a better mousetrap, but so far everything done to improve accuracy has had a pretty negative effect on speed.

 

[Sweetyzfd]

I have to try this. Thanks for the info

 

[catswithguns]

Elfster,

With all the information you post on here, how do you ever find time to shoot? Very kind of you, I must say.

 

[elfster1234]

I just got back from the range about 3hours ago from shooting the above 50 drops using the PEN mod with one of my 100yard pet loads for my semi-auto 7.62 LMT MWS with the 41.5grns of varget as described above. Really really good results as it's obviously hard to run your semi-auto SUB-MOA all day long in my experience. Shot with a 6-9" harris bipod with a sandbag in the back. This might not be the best 5shot groups for a bolt action, but for a big caliber .308 semi-auto its actually really really good. Actually, its the best I've ever done with this rifle.

I think I might try drilling out the pen mod just a little in order to boost the speed, but yet hopefully keep the unreal accurate powder drops with no over throws.

 

[Pinecone]

Mine must be defective. With Varget, it over throws about 1 in 4 charges. From 0.1 o 0.3 grains over, but mostly 0.1.

And every time, I can SEE that it over throws, as the last bit, is a clump rather than a few granules.

 

[elfster1234]

Is that with the pen insert mod?

Mine must be defective. With Varget, it over throws about 1 in 4 charges. From 0.1 o 0.3 grains over, but mostly 0.1.

And every time, I can SEE that it over throws, as the last bit, is a clump rather than a few granules.

 

[elfster1234]

This stuff really doesn't long at all to take a quick pic and post it.

Elfster,

With all the information you post on here, how do you ever find time to shoot? Very kind of you, I must say.

 

[Pinecone]

Is that with the pen insert mod?

No, but with two versions of the straw mod, both the straight cut and the crown cut.

I am looking for those pens to try.

 

[elfster1234]

I noticed that some pen inserts are only about 3/4" of an inch long.... I tried the shorter insert and it didn't work well.. you need the longer about ~ 1-1/2" insert as shown in the picture above.... also, I noticed that the pen insert has two really really small inverted ribs inside the tube

No, but with two versions of the straw mod, both the straight cut and the crown cut.

I am looking for those pens to try.

 

[lead ƒarmer]

Tag. I neex to try this

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[308Gunner]

My chargemaster will usually take 56 to get 50 right but it is fast and I can live with that but I might try this.

 

[SporterII]

Thanks for the effort.

 

[elfster1234]

Just ran another 51 drops at 43.1 varget for some 600yard shooting im doing today. 51 out of 51 perfect. Thats well over 200 drops perfect with varget and what i really like is it stops right after you hit hour target drop weight by 1 or 2 specs of varget. So far i like the mod even tho it is slower. I started to even make up the time difference by seating the bullet between drops. By the time i seat the bullet and transfer finished round to the ammo box im ready for another. So far so good.

 

[timelinex]

I think if you mess with your programming then you should be able to speed it up. I don't remember the exact criteria since I haven't messed with the charge master for a whole but try to change the hsba1 to something like 3,hsbb1 to 1 and hcbc1 to .5.
That might be too extreme, but try it out. The point would be to make it run full speed all the way to almost the end, since the hole is so small.

If it overthrows by alot because it doesn't have enough time to slow down, then increase the first two values. If it overthrows by just barely, increase the third value.

Let me know how that works out

 

[Oneshotkill]

Thank you Elfster. Good info

 

[turbo54]

This is a good tip. Thank you Elfster.

My chargemaster commonly overthrows. I didn't use the exact same pen you did, but found a suitable disposable pen in the house to try this out.

After a little testing/tuning, I solved my overthrow issue whilst taking only a tiny time penalty. Overall though I think I can load faster now because I don't have to adjust a charge.

I've loaded over 300 rounds now with this mod, and I've not overthrown once.

Also, I believe (though I haven't tested it out yet) this makes the charge weights more consistent. The way mine is running right now, it is able to trickle in that last kernel or two to *just* barely get the target weight to register.

I assume the computer in the CM1500 rounds off the scale weight. Say you're target weight is 50.0gr:

I assume 50.04gr would still indicate 50.0gr. Likewise, I would think it would read out as 50.0gr if there was actually 49.95gr in the pan. That creates the possibility of an extreme spread of .09gr from highest to lowest charge.

However, with this mod, I think I'm staying within a kernel or two of the LIGHTEST charge that will trip the scale over the edge to actually indicate the 50.0gr.

Just a thought. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this and I appreciate you posting.

 

[6brshooter]

I cut the little serations in the straw works good. Every once and awhile it throws heavy, it won't show it. It actually shows dead on the target wt, but when the powder pan is lifted of the scale it will be -99.5-99.6, instead of the normal -99.4. I just hold back 2 kernals for every-.1 it is over -99.4

 

[elfster1234]

I think you're exactly right. I just dropped another 100 loads with varget totally perfect. I think that puts me over 400 for 400... it is soooooo nice not having to F#CK around with scooping out over throws. So far I'm really happy with it even with the extra time it takes as I'm usually doing something else while the powder drops..

I think you're totally correct on the fact its more accurate. I've noticed as the machine slows down once it reaches the target drop it only takes maybe 1 or 2 pcs of varget to put it over the edge in terms of reaching your target drop = more consistent drops... so far, my groups really show it.

Did you mod the pen insert somehow? did you drill it out bigger to make it faster? I'm still using the 1-1/2" long pen insert and its been working great & can still take it out to help speed up the process of getting the powder out of the chargemaster once done for storage.

This is a good tip. Thank you Elfster.

My chargemaster commonly overthrows. I didn't use the exact same pen you did, but found a suitable disposable pen in the house to try this out.

After a little testing/tuning, I solved my overthrow issue whilst taking only a tiny time penalty. Overall though I think I can load faster now because I don't have to adjust a charge.

I've loaded over 300 rounds now with this mod, and I've not overthrown once.

Also, I believe (though I haven't tested it out yet) this makes the charge weights more consistent. The way mine is running right now, it is able to trickle in that last kernel or two to *just* barely get the target weight to register.

I assume the computer in the CM1500 rounds off the scale weight. Say you're target weight is 50.0gr:

I assume 50.04gr would still indicate 50.0gr. Likewise, I would think it would read out as 50.0gr if there was actually 49.95gr in the pan. That creates the possibility of an extreme spread of .09gr from highest to lowest charge.

However, with this mod, I think I'm staying within a kernel or two of the LIGHTEST charge that will trip the scale over the edge to actually indicate the 50.0gr.

Just a thought. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this and I appreciate you posting.

 

[Pinecone]

I cut the little serations in the straw works good. Every once and awhile it throws heavy, it won't show it. It actually shows dead on the target wt, but when the powder pan is lifted of the scale it will be -99.5-99.6, instead of the normal -99.4. I just hold back 2 kernals for every-.1 it is over -99.4

I have found that if I wait a bit, the ChargeMaster does show the actual weight. Look for the triangle to appear above the Stable label.

 

[elfster1234]

Well, I just got back from the range today. After the wind had it's way with me on the 300yard line with my little 55grn vmax bullets I figured I would move my targets up to the 100yard line to test the last 10rounds @ 55grn vmax with one single test group. This was using the pen mod insert with 24.0grns varget. 10 total shots. Wind was about 7 to 15mph tops. I was rather happy with the elevation of the group size. Calipers zero'd out on a .224 bullet. Shot with a sandbag front & sandbag rear. Not too darn bad for 10shots..... 7 of the 10 bullets are right at .383" group size with .29" elevation....

Shot out of my Rock River Arms EOP, 18" SS barrel 1:8twist.

 

[elfster1234]

did you re-program the chargemaster with your pen mod? if so, then what program #'s did you use?

This is a good tip. Thank you Elfster.

My chargemaster commonly overthrows. I didn't use the exact same pen you did, but found a suitable disposable pen in the house to try this out.

After a little testing/tuning, I solved my overthrow issue whilst taking only a tiny time penalty. Overall though I think I can load faster now because I don't have to adjust a charge.

I've loaded over 300 rounds now with this mod, and I've not overthrown once.

Also, I believe (though I haven't tested it out yet) this makes the charge weights more consistent. The way mine is running right now, it is able to trickle in that last kernel or two to *just* barely get the target weight to register.

I assume the computer in the CM1500 rounds off the scale weight. Say you're target weight is 50.0gr:

I assume 50.04gr would still indicate 50.0gr. Likewise, I would think it would read out as 50.0gr if there was actually 49.95gr in the pan. That creates the possibility of an extreme spread of .09gr from highest to lowest charge.

However, with this mod, I think I'm staying within a kernel or two of the LIGHTEST charge that will trip the scale over the edge to actually indicate the 50.0gr.

Just a thought. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this and I appreciate you posting.

 

[FlashGordon]

I did this to my Chargemaster 1500 last night using the A1, B1, and C1 settings posted by "orkan" as well as his McDonald's straw mod shown on page 2 of the thread. I was completely amazed when I tested it and it threw 25/25 charges to the exact weight I specified. Prior to this I was getting 1 in 5 or so correct throws out of the thing. H4350 powder.

Primal Rights ? View topic - Reprogramming the RCBS Chargemaster 1500

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[elfster1234]

im over 400 for 400 perfect so far

I did this to my Chargemaster 1500 last night using the A1, B1, and C1 settings posted by "orkan" as well as his McDonald's straw mod shown on page 2 of the thread. I was completely amazed when I tested it and it threw 25/25 charges to the exact weight I specified. Prior to this I was getting 1 in 5 or so correct throws out of the thing. H4350 powder.

Primal Rights ? View topic - Reprogramming the RCBS Chargemaster 1500

TRY IT!!!

 

[FlashGordon]

There is as they say more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[elfster1234]

OK GANG!! I was able to shave off a considerable amount of time while hopefully keeping the same consistent / accurate drops by simply re-programing the unit. I have yet to do a considerable amount of drops with this new programing, but i'll let you know after I drop this next 100rounds of ammo tonight. So far, it has been looking really good! This is what I came up with for the test

Was able to get 41.5grns varget down to 25 to 26 seconds (from 33 seconds)

was able to get 24.0grns varget down to 15 to 16 seconds (from 25seconds)

1. Turn the unit on.
2. When 0.0gn is on the display, press BOTH the ENTER and the EDIT MEM keys on the dispenser at the same time. If done properly ADJUST PARAMETER should scroll across the display

To change the setting, just use the number pad and type in the new setting. If you wanted to change the first setting to 7.00, you would type in 700. When you have the variable set, simply press ENTER to move to the next setting. You'll have to press enter a number of times (20+) to get through the rest of the settings, and then the unit will reboot itself.

Here are my settings:
HSP A1 -6.95
HSP B1 - 2.30
HSP C1 - 0.85


I'll let you know how tonight's 100 drops go & if I play around with these updated re-program settings anymore.

I can't help it. I'm an estimator by trade. LOL

I ran some tests loading up 50 total .308 amax ammo today. Once again, it ran all 50 drops perfect. 50 out of 50 with no under / over drops. With yesterday's 100 drops, this make this mod absolutely perfect for 150 out of 150 drops. This is what I came up with:


1.)
It took 33seconds to drop 41.5grns varget with the pen insert.
It took 18seconds to drop 41.5grns varget without the pen insert and just the straw mod only but got an over throw about every 7 to 8th drops.
For 50 total drops = 15 extra seconds per drop x 50 drops = 12.5 extra minutes for all 50 drops with pen insert, but all drops perfect.


2.)
I then tested 24grns varget as if I was loading your average 5.56 round.
It took 25 seconds to drop 24.0 varget with the pen insert.
It took 14seconds to drop 24.0 varget without the pen insert and just the straw mod only.
For 50 total drops for pure example = 11 extra seconds per drop x 50 drops example = 9.166 extra minutes for all 50 drops with pen insert, but all drops perfect.


I think with some more programing, you might be able to still use the pen insert mod & increase the drop time. If anyone figures out some better re-programing with the smaller pen diameter insert to speed up the process, then let me know.

So far, I love the fact I never need to scoop over drops and I going to stick the with PEN MOD for now until I can figure out something even better.... I wouldn't say scooping out over drops with a plastic spoon is a total wash, but in my best estimation... if you have about 1 out of 7 to 8 drops with the straw mod from over dropping, and it takes about 15seconds to fix the over drop with a plastic spoon, then you're spending about 2 to 3 minutes on 50 drops fixing over drops. The one thing I have noticed with the pen insert MOD, is when the unit slows down when approaching the target drop, it is really precise & trickles 1 to 2 pcs of varget at a time which is really awesome... and not dumping huge clumps... Also, for pure 41.5 varget drop example, being that the insert is dropping 1 to 2 pcs of varget as the unit slows down, the insert might drop only 1 to 2pcs of varget as it goes from 41.4 to 41.5... Which I think will increase accuracy with less vertical stringing.

 

[elfster1234]

ok... I think I have my finalized re-program settings for the pen insert... just dropped 100 for 100 perfect drops @ 24grns varget for some 5.56 vmax loads i'm working on... here are my finalized settings with the pen insert which shaved off about 10seconds per drop or about 16minutes for 100 total drops... this does a nice ultra slow trickle at the very last second.


Here are my settings:
HSP A1 -6.95
HSP B1 - 2.30
HSP C1 - 0.85

This is a good tip. Thank you Elfster.

My chargemaster commonly overthrows. I didn't use the exact same pen you did, but found a suitable disposable pen in the house to try this out.

After a little testing/tuning, I solved my overthrow issue whilst taking only a tiny time penalty. Overall though I think I can load faster now because I don't have to adjust a charge.

I've loaded over 300 rounds now with this mod, and I've not overthrown once.

Also, I believe (though I haven't tested it out yet) this makes the charge weights more consistent. The way mine is running right now, it is able to trickle in that last kernel or two to *just* barely get the target weight to register.

I assume the computer in the CM1500 rounds off the scale weight. Say you're target weight is 50.0gr:

I assume 50.04gr would still indicate 50.0gr. Likewise, I would think it would read out as 50.0gr if there was actually 49.95gr in the pan. That creates the possibility of an extreme spread of .09gr from highest to lowest charge.

However, with this mod, I think I'm staying within a kernel or two of the LIGHTEST charge that will trip the scale over the edge to actually indicate the 50.0gr.

Just a thought. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this and I appreciate you posting.

 

[Capt Academy]

Thanks, I used the McD's straw and it works well!

 

[Pinecone]

I still haven't found one of these pens.

But I found a common pen that has a smooth interior, and I am considering making my own grooves in it and see how it works.

 

[elfster1234]

I've loaded varget 200 for 200 drops perfect with these settings so i'd say they are 100% solid and much much faster.... i'm sticking with this set up from now on.... very happy with the results so far:


Here are my settings:
HSP A1 -6.95
HSP B1 - 2.30
HSP C1 - 0.85

 

[elfster1234]

maybe try just a regular pen insert and see how it works... I tried it, but found the 1-1/2" long pen inserts work better than the 3/4" long ones. I would just try the smooth interior pen inserts and see how it works.

I still haven't found one of these pens.

But I found a common pen that has a smooth interior, and I am considering making my own grooves in it and see how it works.

 

[Geno C.]

I'm lookin forward to setting this up and giving it a go whe I get off the road! Thanks Elster.

 

[elfster1234]

Im telling ya, its awesome not having to scoop over throws anymore! My goal was to eliminate such a problem while still keeping the classic mcd's straw mod for super high volume work / speed AND being able to take the pen insert out to empty the chargemaster when done for storage = huge plus. With the new programing its just a little bit slower, but with no over throws / scoop corrections its a very close wash in terms of time. Wow, if you had two chargemasters set up with this pen insert, and for example you was loading up 100pcs of brass, and was to keep one charmaster on one ammo box of 50, and the other chargemaster on the other ammo box of 50 (to eliminate small differences between the chargemaster with your shots, then you would absolutely fly through dropping powder.... I just might need to do this if i get some money to burn.

I'm lookin forward to setting this up and giving it a go whe I get off the road! Thanks Elster.

 

[elfster1234]

Well, ive been using these settings now for some time. Well over 500 loaded rounds with the new HSP A1 -6.95 HSP B1 - 2.30 HSP C1 - 0.85 re-programing with no over throws. I would say the new settings & pen mod is 100% solid and will be using them from here on out.

 

[elfster1234]

just an update everyone... ive been using this mod for some time now with well over 1k varget drops with seriously no over / under throws... with the updated programing listed above it is rather fast also... also, you can pull the pen mod out once you're done to help speed up the process of empty the chargemaster for storage purposes. I'm really happy with it!

 

[Big Dog Steel]

I like it...

 

[elfster1234]

the key is to use the 1-1/2" pen inserts & not the shorter 3/4" pen inserts... also, my pen insert that is about ~ 1-1/2" long has 2 total very very small rib / channel inside the hole (you can see these interior rib / channels inside the pen insert hole if you look close enough to the very last pic of the OP). These 1-1/2" long pen inserts are not easy to find.. most of them are 3/4" long.

I like it...

 

[Fatelvis]

Well, ive been using these settings now for some time. Well over 500 loaded rounds with the new HSP A1 -6.95 HSP B1 - 2.30 HSP C1 - 0.85 re-programing with no over throws. I would say the new settings & pen mod is 100% solid and will be using them from here on out.

Just to be clear, those settings work with and without the pen modification?