I would check to make sure the follower is oriented correctly, not slightly nose down. Do you have an extra mag, if so does that one do the same?
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I shoot Eley Edge, Match and Tenex and all shot fine with no issue feeding. Also used Fed Ultra Match which is basically R-50 and it feeds perfect. If they aren;t oriented right then pull the little buttons down and let them go up again and also tap the back of the mag on your hand like an AR mag. Once orientated correctly they should feel fine.
I get some "nose dives" on my mags also...very frustrating. Other people that have had this issue sanded the angle on the follower a little bit. I haven't done it myself yet as I don't want to risk ruining the mag.
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I've taken a small round file and rounded/lowered the edge the rounds feed over...just a little...
If you go on the facebook page there are some good pictures of how to file the follower. Fixed my feed problems. As far as destroying the mag, if it doesn't work, does it matter?
Hi Gents, Paul Parrott here. We have had a few complaints of feeding issues with some of the flat point ammo out there. Mike did design the mag some time ago around the more common round nose .22lr but...we want it to work and feed for everyone. Its not hard with any .22 ammo, to get 'rim lock' and experience the nose dive. Make sure each successive, loaded round's rim is in front of the previous. The round on top should have a slight up angle. If it doesn't, pull the follower button down and let go a couple times so they orient themselves correctly. The suggestions made by AbbyKatt and usafa77 in modifying the mag are good for those that experience the issue with flat point ammo. Not all flat point shooters experience it but.... Heres my promise to you...do the mod and if you overdo anything or ruin the mag lip or follower, call me directly and I'll get you a replacement follower or mag body right out, no charge. Its easy, really. If you don't feel comfortable doing it, call me, I'll modify some in house mags, ship them to you and you can send me yours back after received so your not without. Don't languish in frustration...call us. Nothing sucks worse than an expensive toy that dosen't bring great joy. We very much appreciate all our awesome customers, but especially here on The Hide, you guys are users, shooters and help us find the occasional chink in the armor. With everyones great feedback, we tirelessly update and refine. We owe it to you all, that spent your hard earned money with us, to do that and always will. Fortunately, we have Mikes awesome engineering to drive us and we respond pretty dang quick. "Ride Hard, Shoot Straight, Speak the Truth."
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I posted some suggestions above, but dont hesitate to call me and we'll get ya squared away.Ok, so what am I doing wrong here. Magazines feed all round nose ammo fine, but put in ELEY Edge or RWS R-50 that have less than round noses and I'm having feeding problems----about every 2nd or 3rd round will lock up tight in the mag and not feed. When the bolt is moved forward it will just crash the round into the front edge of the mag instead of feeding into the chamber. This indents the nose pretty good with the seam print of the magazine:
AM I missing some loading technique?
ELEY black round on left has line imprint in center, RWS-50 rounds on right with deep magazine impressions.
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Can't seem to find the pics. Anyone have a link or can post photos here?
thx
I shot my V-22 for quite some time in a Manners Elite T4A after gluing in aluminum pillars, and kind of figured it didn't really need bedded. But eventually, I decided to get off my lazy butt & get the job done - used Marine Tex and bedded it just like it was a CF rifle. I'm not going to make all sorts of wild claims where accuracy is concerned, but do feel there was a slight improvement after bedding. However, that could just as easily be due to getting more rounds through the Krieger bbl I used on it - I've also got a couple of jelrod-converted CMP Rem 40X repeaters, which see their share of use, so the V-22's bbl hasn't been shot as much as it would've if I didn't have those two rifles to play with. Also, the stamp came in for the TBAC 22TD can I'd bought for the V-22, and although I've always thought that accuracy with my SWR Spectre II was great, it's just possible that the 22TD is partially responsible for slightly better groups. If this all sounds pretty indefinite, it's because I sometimes have a hard time nailing down cause & effect with any 22RF rifle....lol
All I'm sure of is that neither bedding nor 22TD have hurt accuracy of the V-22.
All I'm sure of is that neither bedding nor 22TD have hurt accuracy of the V-22.
With service like this how can you not want to support this company, well done guys!
What are the silver pins that come to n the baggy? I got action screws and 2 pins.
Trigger pins.
Looks great!
And you won't get kicked out of the Atlas bipod club because you did the mandatory legs bent forward/backwards pose. LOL
And you won't get kicked out of the Atlas bipod club because you did the mandatory legs bent forward/backwards pose. LOL
Took it for a spin real quick. I really wasn't in the mood to do any real testing and shooting. I'm too sore and tired from work the last few days to really give a shit lol. The only groups I shot are shown. I really wasn't even concentrating too much. The 3 large groups were me trying to shoot unsupported from the sitting position. The other 2 groups aren't too bad. I'm pleased so far.i didn't even rezero the scope. I just left it were it was when I pulled it off my 308.
I put 300 rounds (cci sv) thru it this evening. There were times that the bolt won't close completely. I don't know if it's ammo related or what. The round will chamber, but the handle won't close. I have to really pull hard to get the round out, almost forcefully. We'll see what happens the next few times I go out.
I spent 100 rounds dicking around at 50 yds then moved out to 300. It was breezy this evening. What was weird was 1/3rd the rounds we're 1.5-2 mils low. Next time out I'm taking my magnetospeed to get some data and see if the speed was causing the rounds to hit low.
I wouldn't say the groups were cherry picked as they were the only groups I have fired so far. The steel plate is 18" and at the 300 yard line.
I put 300 rounds (cci sv) thru it this evening. There were times that the bolt won't close completely. I don't know if it's ammo related or what. The round will chamber, but the handle won't close. I have to really pull hard to get the round out, almost forcefully. We'll see what happens the next few times I go out.
I spent 100 rounds dicking around at 50 yds then moved out to 300. It was breezy this evening. What was weird was 1/3rd the rounds we're 1.5-2 mils low. Next time out I'm taking my magnetospeed to get some data and see if the speed was causing the rounds to hit low.
I wouldn't say the groups were cherry picked as they were the only groups I have fired so far. The steel plate is 18" and at the 300 yard line.
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If the bolt face gets dirty it will cause the bolt to close hard...your rifle most likely just needs some cleaning : )
This happened from the beginning.
I'll take a look tomorrow
I'll take a look tomorrow
I am really starting to hate this forum...
It will have to wait until fall, but I can see a 18" V-22 in a KRG Bravo to match my PVA JH in my future.
It will have to wait until fall, but I can see a 18" V-22 in a KRG Bravo to match my PVA JH in my future.
We run Mikes "Ravage" chamber. It is good with 95% of the ammo out there but it is tight. As few rounds as you have through it at this point, i would be surprised if it was dirty. I suspect the CCI SV has a dimensional issue though it gets shot fairly often by our customers. I have personally had trouble with some CCI SV and not with a different lot. I have also had issues with Winchester. I measured both when the troubles occurred and can say rim thickness was all over the place as was overall length. Try something different to confirm and let us know.
+1. I find I sometimes had to do this too for "nose up" orientation. Not sure why it sometimes goes nose down, but that's the 2 second fix for me.
Agreed. I cannot shoot CCI SV or Gemtech (CCI makes this for them) in any of my match 22 rifles where the tolerances are tighter. Doesn't much matter to me as SK Rifle sport/match shoot great and is cheap enough for practice and I pull out Midas + for matches.
I was having issues with CB's and .22 Quiets nose diving and mentioned it to Paul in passing. He explained how to modify the follower and told me to make a feed ramp on the front of the mag.
Some pics.
I modded all my mags after talking with him about it and it seems to have improved feeding across the board.
Customer service is through the roof with these folks!
Some pics.
I modded all my mags after talking with him about it and it seems to have improved feeding across the board.
Customer service is through the roof with these folks!
A few of us with jelrod-converted 40X repeaters were concerned with running these mags empty & unintentionally dry-firing, which runs the risk of peening the edge of the chamber in these older rifles. So we modded our mags to allow the follower to rise up far enough to be a bolt stop after the last round is fired. Lowering the rear of the followers as illustrated above would negate this function. Given my lack of success in finding a lot of Eley EPS that will out-shoot select lots of SK Rifle or Pistol Match, or Lapua Center-X & Polar Biathlon, I'll pass on lowering the rear of the follower. However, I might try the filing of the rounded feed-ramp on the front - or not. My magazines feed LRN ammo very smoothly for the most part, and if there's a problem, it's usually due to not taking care while loading the mag.
I might find myself having a change of heart on this issue, once I get some of the new SK Flatnose ammo to test...
I might find myself having a change of heart on this issue, once I get some of the new SK Flatnose ammo to test...
Where's the center of balance on your rifle? Mine's in a W3 and it's a touch heavy in the ass so thinking about switching up.
Hey Guys, been outta pocket with a lot of 3Gun stuff lately, finally tuning back in here and catching up. Just a couple quick notes to what my bro, Paul, is saying and points made by Flat. The entire V-22 action assembly, which includes the magazine, is a finely tuned system that’s designed to produce accuracy. Generally, accuracy is in the barrel, but in a rimfire, it has to start in the action assembly. There are a lot of things done conventionally in rimfire design that rob accuracy, mostly due to price points, manufacturability, etc.
I started with the magazine because they’re generally designed poorly for rimfires and typically are intended for much smaller scale actions. To feed a 22LR, two of the many major factors is feed angle and timing. To screw up one of these is to screw up both. As Paul mentioned, my original focus was to use higher end ammo, because it’s dimensionally stable and the whole goal here was to create an obscenely accurate 22LR. The follower, as it’s designed and molded, provides for the flattest feed angle possible so the bullet is handled delicately during the feed cycle. To damage the bullet is to damage accuracy.
Now, enter other ammo brands/bullet types and dimensional variation across a larger number of offerings. This has necessitated Paul’s very slight angle change. I say slight because we don’t want the angle grossly changed due to the possibility of damaging the bullet; just enough of a change to broaden the tolerance so these other bullet types make the trip, unscathed, into the chamber. Also, Rob01 mentioned a truism wherein loading the magazine “correctly” handles the nosedive problem (this is what I recommend investigating first).
Now, More about the chamber....
As I mentioned above, the V-22 is designed as a system with one immediate and ultimate goal....Accuracy. Of course the action has to be smooth and reliable, all those obvious things we all talk about in centerfire actions, but in centerfire actions, most everyone has a go-to reamer, generally designed by the company that designed the chosen cartridge. In this case, the 22LR cartridge has more reamers designed for it than any other cartridge in history. As for the V-22, the chamber had to be included in the “shooting system” because it was the only way to ensure all bases were covered and place us in the position to allow published targets to speak for us. The 22LR RAVAGE chamber is tight, but based on the design, one can extract and eject loaded rounds from the chamber. Yes, I am sticking the bullet in the lands, but, the bullet can be removed from the lands. Having said this, the bolt should never be hard to close on a V-22 using this chamber. Generally, it’s an ammo issue where the rim thickness exceeds .043”, and it takes very little dimensional outage to notice this. Again, I confined myself to higher end ammo offerings while designing the “system.” The only other thing that causes a hard to close bolt is a dirty bolt face and/or breech. Hope this helps....
As usual, anyone having questions can reach out to any of us, anytime.
Thanks,
MB
I started with the magazine because they’re generally designed poorly for rimfires and typically are intended for much smaller scale actions. To feed a 22LR, two of the many major factors is feed angle and timing. To screw up one of these is to screw up both. As Paul mentioned, my original focus was to use higher end ammo, because it’s dimensionally stable and the whole goal here was to create an obscenely accurate 22LR. The follower, as it’s designed and molded, provides for the flattest feed angle possible so the bullet is handled delicately during the feed cycle. To damage the bullet is to damage accuracy.
Now, enter other ammo brands/bullet types and dimensional variation across a larger number of offerings. This has necessitated Paul’s very slight angle change. I say slight because we don’t want the angle grossly changed due to the possibility of damaging the bullet; just enough of a change to broaden the tolerance so these other bullet types make the trip, unscathed, into the chamber. Also, Rob01 mentioned a truism wherein loading the magazine “correctly” handles the nosedive problem (this is what I recommend investigating first).
Now, More about the chamber....
As I mentioned above, the V-22 is designed as a system with one immediate and ultimate goal....Accuracy. Of course the action has to be smooth and reliable, all those obvious things we all talk about in centerfire actions, but in centerfire actions, most everyone has a go-to reamer, generally designed by the company that designed the chosen cartridge. In this case, the 22LR cartridge has more reamers designed for it than any other cartridge in history. As for the V-22, the chamber had to be included in the “shooting system” because it was the only way to ensure all bases were covered and place us in the position to allow published targets to speak for us. The 22LR RAVAGE chamber is tight, but based on the design, one can extract and eject loaded rounds from the chamber. Yes, I am sticking the bullet in the lands, but, the bullet can be removed from the lands. Having said this, the bolt should never be hard to close on a V-22 using this chamber. Generally, it’s an ammo issue where the rim thickness exceeds .043”, and it takes very little dimensional outage to notice this. Again, I confined myself to higher end ammo offerings while designing the “system.” The only other thing that causes a hard to close bolt is a dirty bolt face and/or breech. Hope this helps....
As usual, anyone having questions can reach out to any of us, anytime.
Thanks,
MB
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We havent found any need to bed them, but your always welcome to! Grayboe does a great job with their molds, and they seem to fit like a glove!
We havent found any need to bed them, but your always welcome to! Grayboe does a great job with their molds, and they seem to fit like a glove!
Thanks for the post MB, very informative. Mine is sorted out and performing superbly. Just what I wanted, a .22 trainer. Shot 100 rounds off the PRS stage 2 barricade yesterday. Minus the recoil, it's exactly the same drill as centerfire. "Banging steel" 4" target at 200yds. with a .22 just freaks out the other people at the range, which is nice.
Perfectly balanced. The MPA and 18” Vudoo bbl are a good combo.
Thanks!
How does the Fed Ultra match shoot in your gun? I'm tempted to get a Vudoo, but will really only shoot the UM through it, and haven't seen any particular info on groups with it.
That's great to hear, thanks. I figured I might need to buy Eley if I wanted to see top accuracy from the Vudoo, but if not, that is very encouraging.
Blew off work today, no wind.
I only have 400 rounds thru it. I shot 350 the first day I had it to get it "seasoned" or whatever you wanna call it. I cleaned it over the weekend, got the scope properly zeroed and shot this. Not too bad. I'm pleased so far.
I only have 400 rounds thru it. I shot 350 the first day I had it to get it "seasoned" or whatever you wanna call it. I cleaned it over the weekend, got the scope properly zeroed and shot this. Not too bad. I'm pleased so far.
You owe it to yourself & the V-22 to try some SK ammo - from Std+ to Pistol Match to Rifle Match. I bought a single box of the CCI SV from a gun shop this past winter after hearing so much about this ammo from guys on RFC & here. Was very disappointed with it in both my 40X repeaters & the V-22, at both 25 & 50yds. I've been spoiled by the accuracy of SK in the custom bbls of my three bolt repeaters, and am not about to spend precious $$ on ammo with less accuracy potential than these grades of SK. I know some shooters are of the opinion that they can't afford to buy match grade ammo for 25yd plinking or practicing on larger (2 MOA & up) targets. But from my perspective, I can't afford to spend money on ammo that doesn't have the quality to take advantage of most of the accuracy potential of my rifles. SK Std+ is the minimum I will shoot, and it has almost always produced more fliers than either Rifle or Pistol Match from SK. However, if you've got the time to test, select lots of Std+ will produce fewer fliers and rival the accuracy of Rifle or Pistol Match. Compare the cost of SK to the CCI SV - there's not that much difference, especially when you consider the increase in accuracy.
At 300, you can really see (and hear believe it or not) the inconsistency with CCI SV. Sometimes I'm on, and sometimes I'll hit 2mil low. The plate at 300 is 18", and it looks like a pepperoni pizza shit gun pattern, no really consistency at all.
I'm getting ready to hook up the magnetospeed and record so data.
I'm getting ready to hook up the magnetospeed and record so data.
The CCI SV is pretty inconsistent as we have all been told. I'm not really in the mood to shoot groups today, so unfortunately I won't have data on the poi change caused by the FPS. Plus, I don't feel like rezeroing with the MS on.
I shot 60 rounds over the MS:
1144 hightest
1064 lowest
1086 avg
14.3 sd over 60 rounds
1100-1120 had quite a few in that range
1075-1090 was the norm
This probably explains why at 300 it looks like a shot gun pattern.
I shot 60 rounds over the MS:
1144 hightest
1064 lowest
1086 avg
14.3 sd over 60 rounds
1100-1120 had quite a few in that range
1075-1090 was the norm
This probably explains why at 300 it looks like a shot gun pattern.
I wish there was a domestically produced 22LR ammo that was comparable to the SK/Lapua stuff, but doubt there has been anything made in the U.S. that good for quite some time. I've tried several grades of Federal match that was made here in the past, and never did find anything that shot as well as Wolf/SK/Lapua in the Anschutz prone rifles I've owned/still own. Even the German/RWS UM22 doesn't compare to SK Rifle or Pistol Match in the Benchmark, Krieger, & Lilja bbls on the 40X, 40XB, & V-22 repeaters.
Kind of depressing to think that I have to depend on what is basically one brand of ammo, but since I've not had any luck finding comparably priced Eley that will perform as well as the SK/Lapua, that's about what it boils down to. Hopefully, Lapua's re-organization of their U.S. distribution chain will improve the availability of the ammo that I need.
Kind of depressing to think that I have to depend on what is basically one brand of ammo, but since I've not had any luck finding comparably priced Eley that will perform as well as the SK/Lapua, that's about what it boils down to. Hopefully, Lapua's re-organization of their U.S. distribution chain will improve the availability of the ammo that I need.
The Federal UM22 shoots much better than SK in my Bartlein barrel. Especially at distance.
Anyone have or know if a v22 will fit in a manners mini chassis with no mods?
Happen to know if the Manners mini chassis will fit in a McMillan a1-3? I have two sitting around.
The mini chassis isn't sold seperate at Manners unfortunately. They install them into their stocks so you have to get a Manners stock to have it. If the McMillan's you have around are inletted for a 700 action then the Vudoo should drop right in though.
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