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We gotta legalize Pot

I call bullshit.


OK. Bullshit based on what? You don't have a clue what I see or whom I take care of. Easy for you internet warriors to make accusations without any way to prove I'm wrong. I'm giving you real world subjective info. You can ask anyone in my group what we think of you potheads.

You're mainly losers and trash
 
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Not sure you can go that far, in his environment, and what he is witness to, his observation may be spot on.

I know some highly successful people who make relatively critical decisions who could be labeled as potheads, and are extremely valuble members of society. Some have spouses who have no clue they even toke up. Sometimes it boils down to who you run with, the environment you are indulging in, etc.. as to whether you are living in a shithole world or a productive person who just likes his weed and their choices are not affecting others negatively.


Like I said the majority of potheads are losers. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. But I've been around lots of successful people etc. Most don't do weed.

I find it interesting how quick people are to call bullshit. Well I say bullshit to their bullshit
 
Like I said the majority of potheads are losers. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. But I've been around lots of successful people etc. Most don't do weed.

I find it interesting how quick people are to call bullshit. Well I say bullshit to their bullshit


Seems to me the majority of losers just happen to smoke weed. They also eat too much, drink too much, and never exercise. Losers are losers, they over indulge and make stupid decisions. No surprise there. Weed being legal or not won't change that.


I know a loooot of guys who smoke and are wildly successful. It's about moderation, just like anything else.


I also don't believe the gateway drug thing. Plenty of people smoke and just leave it at that. Nobody starts taking drugs with crack, of course they're going to start with the most easily accessed drug, doesn't make it a "gateway drug"
 
Here in suburbia I see far more well to do folks zoned out on mommy pills and pain killers, often mixed with the alcohol beverage of choice. Weed seems out of fashion. Big pharma seems to prosper, and the scrips keep getting filled.
 
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People go to jail for smoking pot and come out worse than when they went in. Does it make sense?
 
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As a physician I say hell no to legalizing it. All day every day my ER is filled with potheads. Legalizing weed has made things worse. The cyclical vomiting syndrome is out of control. And yes it is a gateway drug. I've never met a coke addict or meth head, etc. Who didn't start with weed.

And don't tell me it's not addicting... Man.... Because it is and most pot heads are losers

If you're really a doctor and not just being a troll, then it doesn't surprise me in the least you're against legalizing it. All you folks wanna do is push pills onto your patients. You have no desire to cure them of their ailments. Just turn them into pill addict zombies and profit off of them. That's how doctors and big pharma work. Weed is not even remotely as addicting as pills are. Hell, I'd almost go as far as saying heroin isn't as addicting as pills are.
 
Here in suburbia I see far more well to do folks zoned out on mommy pills and pain killers, often mixed with the alcohol beverage of choice. Weed seems out of fashion. Big pharma seems to prosper, and the scrips keep getting filled.
The legal Drug Cartels. $$$
 
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I'm all for people just killing themselves on drugs of they want to. Trouble is this. It takes too long and cost the tax payer too much money. First they have to get their Oregon Trail card $$$. Then they get on the Oregon Health Plan after a few trips to the hospital $$$, then DHS has to deal with their fucked up kids and get them in foster care$$$. If they would just stay in their government subsidized housing and lay in the bathtub and OD within the first year all would be well.
 
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First off, the person is screwing up their life by smoking weed, not the police or system. You don't want your life messed up, don't break the law. Which brings me to my second point. If you don't like the laws, work to change them. Police only enforce laws on the books. And just because weed may become legal, you still have workplace policies against drug use as well and operating under the influence laws to deal with.

Where are all of the anti tobacco people bitching about mj smoke? How can tobacco smoke be so horrible for you but mj is the cure for virtually everything?
 
I also don't believe the gateway drug thing. Plenty of people smoke and just leave it at that. Nobody starts taking drugs with crack, of course they're going to start with the most easily accessed drug, doesn't make it a "gateway drug"
Sorry, I'm no expert, but if it's people around them, or the atmosphere they are in and pot is involved in getting them into more controlled substances, then it is the pot culture, not so much the drug itself. But at the center of it all, is pot.
I'm not calling you wrong here, but misguided, when I was in it, I scoffed at the gateway shit too, I have a different perspective today.
 
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he joined the USMC

I´ve tried some as a youngster, got nausea instantly for hours, never tried it again.

I wouldn´t care either, just knew a guy when we were on school.
His nickname was "jointer".
He couldn´t stay 1,5 hours (was a double-lesson) without dope.
He really was on it.
He was like stunned the whole day, mouth light open, staring nowhere.
If you asked him something, you had to repeat it twice or three times before he reacted.
One year before the final exame they booted him out.
Never saw or heard anything about him.

I don´t think that alcohol is any better, but you can lose your life with weed too.
 
maybe teh cops should mind their own fucking business and stop pulling people the fuck over.


besides having a generation of looser stoners, my biggest issue is currently there is no roadside test for pot if you are pulled over by the police (studies from AAA).
they are not able to differentiate between some one who who smoked alot yesterday but is fine to drive in comparison to someone who just smoked and got int he car.
when that guy hits my wife and they cant tell if he's high or clean from yesterday, thats the issue.
 
so business is good, quit your bitching . Darwin will win out in the end. In the mean time stop giving up your freedoms and mine because some cant handle freedom. Its a dangerous game you advocate.

As a physician I say hell no to legalizing it. All day every day my ER is filled with potheads. Legalizing weed has made things worse. The cyclical vomiting syndrome is out of control. And yes it is a gateway drug. I've never met a coke addict or meth head, etc. Who didn't start with weed.

And don't tell me it's not addicting... Man.... Because it is and most pot heads are losers
 
Well I been to those villages, its time to give them freedom too, hell they are american so why would you treat them separate? Sounds illegal on many levels to do that.

Hi,

Well since the OP was in regards to Alaska.....
What about alcohol being deemed illegal to possess in certain villages even though it is considered a completely legal beverage by the USA?

Sincerely,
Theis
 
First off, the person is screwing up their life by smoking weed, not the police or system. You don't want your life messed up, don't break the law. Which brings me to my second point. If you don't like the laws, work to change them. Police only enforce laws on the books. And just because weed may become legal, you still have workplace policies against drug use as well and operating under the influence laws to deal with.
Where are all of the anti tobacco people bitching about mj smoke? How can tobacco smoke be so horrible for you but mj is the cure for virtually everything?

It's going to be a bit hard to get you to see the light. Perhaps when they use the same argument to explain why they are kicking in your door and gunning you and your family down.... but it's not the stormtroopers.... you hadn't had your daily inspection to make sure you don't have guns or freedom books in your house.... sorry your fault...

This country is being strangled by "laws" that some control freaks or others decided "would be a good idea".
IT IS the police and the system Specifically that are screwing up somebody's life over which plant leaf they chose to possess.
But just like the old saying about the Nazis.... First they destroyed freedom and civil rights over some plant leaves... but I didn't care because I didn't have those plant leaves.... then you wonder why nobody cares about you when those same thugs are carting you off for something they don't care about.
 
I concur. Advocating that people lose everything including their lives is a dangerous thing. Boy wouldn't it be fun to have you roll into my ER. You'd end up being the biggest bitch there, I deal with clowns like you daily.

so business is good, quit your bitching . Darwin will win out in the end. In the mean time stop giving up your freedoms and mine because some cant handle freedom. Its a dangerous game you advocate.
 
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been to the er more than once, only bitches there are the docs, thank god for nurses.

It fuktards like you that have saddled us with Obama care so fuck off. Free Pot for everyone. Free morphine for all doctors.

I concur. Advocating that people lose everything including their lives is a dangerous thing. Boy wouldn't it be fun to have you roll into my ER. You'd end up being the biggest bitch there, I deal with clowns like you daily.
 
Pine Ridge SD is worse.
Yeah no shit, I honestly feel for that place.
Funny story, about 5-6 yrs ago, I hauled a friend through SD into ND to pick up a car he bought for a work vehicle. Return trip, we stopped on the river at Gettysburg for a big steak, it was after 9 pm when we got on the road through the Cheyenne River rez, north of the Rosebud(Pine Ridge). Brown paper bags just off the shoulder of the rd every 3 miles. We got into Sturgis to refuel, I commented I was getting kind of scared driving through, he made the comment that I was armed and wanted to know my concern. I asked if he saw the brown bags along side the road which were not there when we came through earlier in the day. Yes, what were they, I told him, they were empty six packs, they pull over, deposit them after drinking them, then the next day they are easy to collect for a refund if aluminum, he was totally oblivious to this even though he grew up nearby
 
You're an ignoramus to think we docs wanted to become slaves to the government. But my interacting here with you on the hide has taught me just how pathetic you are. You're a clown. Please don't ever go to a doctor again. Ever. Do the world a favor and stop giving the rest of us a bad name. You sound like an antifa twat.

I tried my best to stop the disaster of obamacare. I even have a fellowship in health care policy. You've probably never even been to D.C. Or Even tried to make this country better.

been to the er more than once, only bitches there are the docs, thank god for nurses.

It fuktards like you that have saddled us with Obama care so fuck off. Free Pot for everyone. Free morphine for all doctors.
 
Yeh right. The AMA stood right there with Obama.

So can you name one thing in DC that makes America better? The fact that you think that shows who you really are.

You're an ignoramus to think we docs wanted to become slaves to the government. But my interacting here with you on the hide has taught me just how pathetic you are. You're a clown. Please don't ever go to a doctor again. Ever. Do the world a favor and stop giving the rest of us a bad name. You sound like an antifa twat.

I tried my best to stop the disaster of obamacare. I even have a fellowship in health care policy. You've probably never even been to D.C. Or Even tried to make this country better.
 
I'm not even a member of the AMA. Dude you're a clown show Bob.


Yeh right. The AMA stood right there with Obama.

So can you name one thing in DC that makes America better? The fact that you think that shows who you really are.
 
Stop while your ahead, you give Dr Hakenbush a bad name..

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Yeh right. The AMA stood right there with Obama.

So can you name one thing in DC that makes America better? The fact that you think that shows who you really are.

The only thing in DC that makes America better are the history museums and libraries documenting how heroes in the past stood up to challenges, sometimes with the force of arms. The materials that are needed for future generations to avoid fucking up are all there. Now getting folks to pay attention to history?
 
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Answer this: Does legalization make America stronger or weaker?

Stronger. It frees up police, prosecutors' and courts' hands from bullshit and gives them more time and resources to deal with the real dangerous criminals out there.

And legalization will pave way and give strength to other libertarian efforts like gun rights.
 
History in DC has been cleansed. They wont even include Clarence Thomas in the African American Meuseum. Contrary to the Docs statement above, I lived in DC twice, that is wher my hatred of our Fed gov emanates from, the realization that people like him, and they are all like him in DC, think the country needs them or even likes them while they rip us off at every turn, abuse us at every turn, use our Constitution as a door matt every chance they get. Fuck them all and everyone within a 25 mile circumfreence of that demonic shithole.
 
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Answer this: Does legalization make America stronger or weaker?

Stronger, but ONLY if we can completely end this "Drug War" BS and roll back the laws that stripped away our civil rights and constitutional protections.

Right now it's a giant mess and rather unfair.....
Why can't my state vote to have new Machine Guns made & we all have fun making & using them in state & tell the ATF tough luck?
 
It's going to be a bit hard to get you to see the light. Perhaps when they use the same argument to explain why they are kicking in your door and gunning you and your family down.... but it's not the stormtroopers.... you hadn't had your daily inspection to make sure you don't have guns or freedom books in your house.... sorry your fault...

This country is being strangled by "laws" that some control freaks or others decided "would be a good idea".
IT IS the police and the system Specifically that are screwing up somebody's life over which plant leaf they chose to possess.
But just like the old saying about the Nazis.... First they destroyed freedom and civil rights over some plant leaves... but I didn't care because I didn't have those plant leaves.... then you wonder why nobody cares about you when those same thugs are carting you off for something they don't care about.


Im not saying the laws we have are good or bad. What i am saying is that the laws exist whether we like it or not. Speed limits... law... automatic weapons... law... mj.... law...

Police enforce laws on the books. If you don't like it you can cry all day long or work to change them. You can argue and complain all you want about over regulation and bad laws creating stormtroopers but thr bottom line is laws exist.

For every "decent" person getting caught in the system is two or three dirt bags trying to game the system.
 
Stronger. It frees up police, prosecutors' and courts' hands from bullshit and gives them more time and resources to deal with the real dangerous criminals out there.

And legalization will pave way and give strength to other libertarian efforts like gun rights.
Lol, you may want to check the 4473 paper work to see if it is leading to more gun rights.
They will use it as a backdoor legality, either guns or pot but not both.
In fact they are already doing this in states with medical cards.

R
 
If you're really a doctor and not just being a troll, then it doesn't surprise me in the least you're against legalizing it. All you folks wanna do is push pills onto your patients. You have no desire to cure them of their ailments. Just turn them into pill addict zombies and profit off of them. That's how doctors and big pharma work. Weed is not even remotely as addicting as pills are. Hell, I'd almost go as far as saying heroin isn't as addicting as pills are.

Ain't that the truth? Even in my own community I have seen many people with relatively mild issues get a much higher-than-necessary diagnosis by their doctors and given dosages of meds that are not even necessary. Things like blood pressure meds, statins, etc...Now you got these poor folks unable to go anywhere without carrying a whole bag of pills with them.

You have to be really careful when visiting a doctor. Any doctor, private or hospital. Just because they say you need something doesn't mean you need it. Know your rights and your line in the sand.
 
You might be okay sacrificing 33-50% on average I am not. That is the problem. Its beginning to wear on people to a point where a tragedy like that kid cop that gets shot in Kali and barely anyone gives a fuck, a few years ago that would have gotten 100 responses of sorrow.

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Lol, you may want to check the 4473 paper work to see if it is leading to more gun rights.
They will use it as a backdoor legality, either guns or pot but not both.
In fact they are already doing this in states with medical cards.

R

It is a constant fight man. If we slip up, we lose. We as a group must always be on the offensive. Over the past 30 years we have also made important gains, such as Right To Carry and Stand Your Ground legislation. Or the Heller ruling.

We don't have to be potheads to champion libertarian causes. Didn't somebody once make a saying about 'strange bedfellows'?
 
The for profit prison system creates a "dog in the fight" over whether or not pot should be legalized. I look at pot laws from the perspective of a tax payer.

There are only so many tax dollars to harvest from taxpayers, and for city, county, and state agencies to spread around. Law enforcement has to find, arrest, arrest, prosecute, release on bail or monitor pending jury decision, and finally incarcerate if anyone is found guilty, supervise on parole of probation...that all costs lots of money.

I would much rather law enforcement use those tax dollars to deal with burglars, robbers, identity thieves, sex offenders, and people who commit crimes of violence rather than spending those precious resources on pot smokers. Tax dollars are a precious resource and they need to be spent conservatively.

I don't use any form of marijuana or it's products, nor do I recommend it's use. However, I think adults should be as free to choose to use pot as they are to use alcohol, tobacco, caffiene, energy drinks, vape, or seek prescriptions for other drugs from a doctor. I resent what I feel is a waste of my tax dollars when those dollars are spent chasing pot smokers.

There are plenty of people who present a far greater threat to the safety of the community than someone who just sits at home and wants to smoke pot and watch television.
 
Tax dollars are the spoils of a corrupt government relieving you of your earned wealth under threat of armed force, your money or your life quite literally. All the cops in America are armed agents of the Democrat and Republican parties and are 100% vested in relieving us of our wealth and it seems 33-50% of our citizens freedoms unjustly.