There is a used Nightforce 7-35 with MIL-C in the PX section right now for $2600. That's a nice discount for a like new scope, but I don't know the seller so as always do your due diligence before buying.
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Just an fyi mrad=mil scope. They are used interchangeably to refer to the same unit system. There are 10 mrads in a mil and people refer to them interchangeably. Some guys think they are different units so just clarifying.
Good job putting your big boy pants back on and coming back... Ffp is great because you never need to remember which power setting you need to be on for your reticle/ruler to be true. A mil inside a ffp scope is a mil regardless of power setting.
In a sfp scope a mil is only mil on the designated power it's set for so if your at half the power a mil is really only half a mil.
1 less thing to worry about if your shooting under pressure and grew up eating crayons like me
Thank you for that bit of info. Explains it perfectly. Now to just make the decision and hit the range.
I'll take my 1/4 MIL rifle over your 1 MOA rifle any day.
This guy has got to be part of the penguin engineer's crew. Never seen so much paralysis by analysis.
@Studio3 It’s obvious that you really just need to bypass asking these insensitive Neanderthals anything and go straight to the HMFIC. Send Lowlight a few PMs each day on the subject.
And you must be a poet or a puppet but must be in the wrong lace or someone merely pissed in your Cheerios and you need a safe space and a crayon. If you don’t like my questions just quit trolling this string. Pretty f#*%ing simple. Keyboard warrior!
Some are still quite the asshole babies that must be gods gift to Rifle info and want to keep it all to themselves. Not sure why this asshat is still dicking with me. I’ve selected a platform, and simply looking for experience in the scope world. I bet he still writes shit with crayon even after I’ve got it all built.
Best part of this whole thread!! Dude told someone to go away and called them a jackass, then he quoted himself like someone else had told him to go away! ?????
And you were doing so well....
I have you a straight answer before, so I hope you will take this to heart. You have created the persona of someone very thin skinned. That is a weakness, and there will always be people wanting to pull you chain.
I'm fairly new here, but Im old and.I've bumped around enough seedy places to recognize a pirate ship when I see one. There is lots of swearing, inappropriate humor, a few fights, and always a slim chance of mutiny. If you were looking for English aristocrats, you landed at the wrong url.
Roll with it, give as good as you get, but don't take it personal.
Best of luck
(Most of this is NOT directed at Huskydriver...)
Mrad is short for Mil or Mil rad, which is short for milli radian, which is 1/1000 radian. A full circle circumscribes 2pi radians. Radians are a measure of angle, not linear measurement. Mils are divided into 1/10ths for adjustments on the scope.
1 radian = 360/(2pi) degrees = 57.296 degrees
1 mrad = 0.0573 degrees
1 "click" = 0.00573 degrees
MOA is short for minute of angle, which is 1/60th of a degree. There are 21600 MOA in a full circle. Typical adjustments on a MOA scope are 1/4 MOA
1 MOA = 1/60 degrees = 0.01667 degrees
1 "click" = 0.00417 degrees
This is, of course, unless your scope is not using true MOA, but shooter MOA, or inch per 100 yards.
The reason mrad is preferred HERE is that the math is easier and there are no assumptions about; is it a mil or shooter's mil or some other bastardization of the measurement system.
and everyone at matches uses mils. dont be the guy doing math.
Recently new 6.5 RPR owner here (and new to the precision shooting world to boot). I bought a bunch of different ammo to try to see which the rifle shoots best for my purposes - paper and future PRS local stuff. Out of the 5 different varieties of cartridges, my RPR seems to shoot best with the Hornady ELD-Match 140gr. It has been the most consistent for groups, with a best so far of .56 MOA using it. That also seems to be a pretty common result. (Although my best group period has been with the Hornady 143gr. ELD-X hunting cartridge with a .46 MOA. The other groups were not as consistent using it). Your mileage may vary ......
I've only got 160 shots through the barrel though, so things may improve with more shots - and more importantly - more experience on my end.
I've only got 160 shots through the barrel though, so things may improve with more shots - and more importantly - more experience on my end.
Your skin is very, very thin. Makes for most enjoyable comedy gold.
What you need is a .270. Long action, so its got plenty of horsepower. Shoots flat, way flatter than this new junk.
If you want to get the best accuracy, just handload for it. I use those Lee dies, great set. Comes with the perfect size dipper for getting powder in the case. 4064, 4065, you know, whatever it takes.
If you want to get the best accuracy, just handload for it. I use those Lee dies, great set. Comes with the perfect size dipper for getting powder in the case. 4064, 4065, you know, whatever it takes.
Christensen Arms BA Tactical 6.5 CM and your ATACR, run hornady white box match ammo, be done with it. Sub MOA all day when you do your part. Had mine out to 1350 the other day. Completely capable. I have a Barrett .338LM as well. Fun to shoot, manageable recoil, expensive to shoot if you are using quality components. I shoot my CM way more often.
Correct really tired when I wrote that and worded it funny but yes, Should have said 10 .1mrads in a full mrad or mil.
Well spoken, no thin skin here and I’ll return whatever is given. Been around the barn a few times as well. Time to move on a just learn from those intelligent enough to speak that way and ignore the rest. Thx for the mesage
Was looking to see if it was even made thx. No need to reply to this anymore!
Sometimes I like to feel pretty
Have you looked into a Quigley Ford rifle scope? I hear they have the best glass on the planet even better than Center Point.
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quigleyford.com Have you looked into a Quigley Ford rifle scope? I hear they have the best glass on the planet even better than Center Point.
Quigley-Ford | Long Range Hunting Scopes
Custom long range scopes including patent pending dual focal plane and the best first focal plane or second focal plane rifle scopes for hunting & shooting
Everyone knows counter sniper government overruns are the best scope made
My info came directly from a guy who can out bench Arnold, he's better with a bow than Rambo, and eats concrete like Captain Crunch.
I think this is your next major upgrade, dont mind the part about the terrorist. 
Boy, this sure was a rollercoaster.
not completely unrelated
But if you follow a user will you get a notification when that person posts something?
not completely unrelated
But if you follow a user will you get a notification when that person posts something?
Please, please tell me this was not an actual post. I know people are stupid but this would be too much.
It's Mom's Demand Action, what do you expect?
I can understand a bunch of women thinking emotionally - rather than rationally. But to be so ignorant concerning your stated purpose is beyond stupidity. Too argue against something you have to be educate yourself to a minimum level. Unless you are just taking Soros money to promote shameless half truths and blatant stupidity.
OP, sorry about the tangent. I'll cease and desist from further derailing.
Oh its definitely real.
I hated the fact that my gen 1 ruger had a reciprocating bolt knob. The newer ones are so much nicer. I had a left handed friend shooting mine and his nose got jacked up.
They want votes, not a solution.
I can’t get one shit in a 3” circle, that’s pretty impressive.
Please show me how to do this b/c I want to follow joelinux that guy makes my conference calls fun. I've been pulled into a few of his maelstroms they are the black holes of innernets!
Nice looking set up 
In hot pursuit of the elusive egg laying, milk, wool, leather, and bacon bearing arctic jungle pig that grazes on the same plain as the Texas Jackalope, Chupacabra, and Sasquatch. Tally ho, horrido, Waidmann's Heil, and vaya con dios!
Actually, I do have a co-worker that is deciding between .338 and 6.5CM. Mechanical Engineer. If he is Abel to decide, I can talk to him on Monday.
Don't worry. These guys are not newbie-friendly. If you are indeed my coworker, nothing these guys can say will phase you. Your D.I. was worse than anything these guys can dish out.
I initially wanted to start out with .375CT or .416B. Through the waves of abuse, someone actually presented a reasonable argument without belittling my choice, and convinced me to start out with the 6.5CM. Good deal too.
Also, feel free to ignore anything @seansmd says.
He himself is a troll who will try to gaslight YOU as being a troll. His birth certificate is an apology letter from quality control at the condom factory.
FFP. You want the Units to stay the same no matter the zoom level. SFP is mostly for hunters with low scale zooms, from what I've read.
I personally purchased the NF ATACR F1 7-35x56. Highly recommend it.
Here is my setup:
Units Of Moon (UOM). Dynamically changes by the second, depending on the location of the moon.
I like that reticle.
This place, despite the owners of these epic threads beliefs, is very friendly to noobs. No so much for arrogance and unwillingness to listen, or refusing to read before asking the same question that was asked twice already that week or day.
As a noob myself, I was welcomed and treated well.
As a noob myself, I was welcomed and treated well.
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