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So much for the trusty, reliable Beretta 92

I think it is reasonable to expect it to last several thousand rounds right out of the box. But, gun companies are managing to disappoint more often these days.

The only gun I've ever seen break a slide in half on the firing line is an M9/Beretta 92

The only gun I've seen break a locking block and utterly fail on the firing line is a Beretta M9/Beretta 92

The only gun to ever have the chrome lined barrel fail and shed chrome and rifling? Yes, M9/ Beretta 92
I spoke to Beretta. I get to pay return shipping, not them. I have to use overnight shipping to comply with UPS. FedEx won't even take the pistol.


I have sent guns back to Remington, S&W and Sig Sauer over the last 7 years and they all pay the freight and were easy to deal with.

When they send it back, sell it and never buy another thing from them again. Do them the favor, they did you.
 
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My understanding is that the shop said "We'll send it in for you."

A righteous vendor would give him his money back and deal with it, they'v got a good bit of profit built in.

They sold it to him, he had it one day and it broke, IT IS THEIR PROBLEM.

Something similar happened to me. Bought a USED rifle from Lock, Stock, & Barrel. The Timney trigger fired whem I shut the bolt hard. I complained and they told me they do what ever it took to keep me happy up to and including taking the rifle back and paying shipping. I took it to a local smith and he said the trigger was mis adjusted and fixed it for $15. I told LSS&B all is good dont worry about the $15. They refunded my shipping anyway.

Thats a righteous dealer. Most highly recommended.

The OP is getting fucked.

Wouldn’t say getting fucked, but I’d wager the shop you went to will be around long after the shop he used folds
 
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Wouldn’t say getting fucked, but I’d wager the shop you went to will be around long after the shop he used folds
It was started by a California guy while he was in college, I believe. He built it into a thriving business, travels all around the country buying singles and collections. Check them out, most highly recommended.

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It was started by a California guy while he was in college, I believe. He built it into a thriving business, travels all around the country buying singles and collections. Check them out, most highly recommended.

lsbauctions.comSell Guns, Firearms, Gun Collections: Lock Stock & Barrel ...


Dec 19, 2021 · Lock Stock & Barrel is the premier West Coast auction house for firearms, militaria, and shooting/reloading accessories. Volume We currently auction over 7,000 firearms and 13,000

Like a mini rock island?
 
There is a lesson here for the casual enthusiast who thinks they will use their shit during the zombie apocalypse while streaming American Badass from Kidd Rock while walking down Main Street in tube socks and short shorts: you better send some serious number of rounds down the tube to find the bullshit failures so they can be identified and remediated, regardless of the brand.

I love the 92. Sucks for the OP and hope it works out.
 
There is a lesson here for the casual enthusiast who thinks they will use their shit during the zombie apocalypse while streaming American Badass from Kidd Rock while walking down Main Street in tube socks and short shorts: you better send some serious number of rounds down the tube to find the bullshit failures so they can be identified and remediated, regardless of the brand.

I love the 92. Sucks for the OP and hope it works out.

Almost forgot about that song, man, the kid made some good shit, lots of good stuff from back then.



But yeah, get some rounds down range before you even debate trusting it outside of the range, be it a cheap 92, a SVI, sig, or anything
 
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Problem is you bought a Beretta. Anything associated with that company has shit custom service. Really unfortunate because I love Tikka rifles but the terrible customer service makes them a hard pass.
 
There is a lesson here for the casual enthusiast who thinks they will use their shit during the zombie apocalypse while streaming American Badass from Kidd Rock while walking down Main Street in tube socks and short shorts: you better send some serious number of rounds down the tube to find the bullshit failures so they can be identified and remediated, regardless of the brand.

I love the 92. Sucks for the OP and hope it works out.

2 is 1 and 1 is none... preferably 3 is better.
 
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OP, get your $$$ back and buy this one, if youre interested Ill hook you up with the seller or you can find it on virginia Gun Trader under Handguns for sale.

Fuck your dealer.


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I have plenty. I like metal frame (read: heavy) pistols for sport shooting better.

I will be taking my Steyr L9 A2 MF to IDPA this week, though. Great gun. Shoots a little left, sadly. Need to drift a sight... at least it works.

Have you looked into CZ?
 
Problem is you bought a Beretta. Anything associated with that company has shit custom service. Really unfortunate because I love Tikka rifles but the terrible customer service makes them a hard pass.
I almost feel the same way- but Beretta owns Benelli and Tikka, and I find some models from both very appealing.
 
Almost forgot about that song, man, the kid made some good shit, lots of good stuff from back then.



But yeah, get some rounds down range before you even debate trusting it outside of the range, be it a cheap 92, a SVI, sig, or anything

 
i remember when the beretta’s replaced the 1911…..they were trash then, and i never had faith in their “fix” for the problem.

aftermarket is your answer for now.

not buy beretta is your answer for the future.
 
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…A righteous vendor would give him his money back and deal with it, they'v got a good bit of profit built in…
you are fucking kidding me, right? you gotta sell a WHOLE lot of guns in order to even just stay in bidness, let alone come out ahead. i honestly dont know how places stay open anymore. the places around here that are still operating make their money with other stuff (range time, other related equipment) and i STILL wonder how they keep the doors open.
 
Buy the parts from Langdon Tactical, fix it and sell it.
Then some other unsuspecting chump gets fucked. I love it. :love:

I not saying it s your case, but in the past Ive had items that turned out to be such pieces of shit that I jsut threw them away because I couldnt sell them with a good conscience.

Now I think Ill go swill down my last beer and call it a night. 🙃
 
My understanding is that the shop said "We'll send it in for you."

A righteous vendor would give him his money back and deal with it, they'v got a good bit of profit built in.

They sold it to him, he had it one day and it broke, IT IS THEIR PROBLEM.

Something similar happened to me. Bought a USED rifle from Lock, Stock, & Barrel. The Timney trigger fired whem I shut the bolt hard. I complained and they told me they do what ever it took to keep me happy up to and including taking the rifle back and paying shipping. I took it to a local smith and he said the trigger was mis adjusted and fixed it for $15. I told LSS&B all is good dont worry about the $15. They refunded my shipping anyway.

Thats a righteous dealer. Most highly recommended.

The OP is getting fucked.
Gun stores do not have a good bit of profit built in on new guns if that’s what you’re saying. Used firearms, Accessories, ammo, range,smithing is where the money is made. If you’re lucky and don’t gouge people you get about 10-20%.

Used you can make +/- 30% if you’re lucky, most places still have employees so just selling guns you aren’t making much at all.

Some of the asshole ranges here say you can’t even keep your own brass so they can scrap more, I obviously don’t visit them. They also try to make 30-40% profit on firearms, but morons pay it.

Indoor ranges make a killing scrapping the brass and projectiles from the range, place by me made enough each time to pay someones yearly salary.
 
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you are fucking kidding me, right? you gotta sell a WHOLE lot of guns in order to even just stay in bidness, let alone come out ahead. i honestly dont know how places stay open anymore. the places around here that are still operating make their money with other stuff (range time, other related equipment) and i STILL wonder how they keep the doors open.
It’s not on the store, it’s on the manufacturer. Maggot sounds like one of those bad customers.

Yes they can choose to eat it, but the manufacturer has the warranty.
 
I cross-shoped the CZ Orange but I couldn't justify its cost and, frankly, I like silver/stainless/inox colored guns.
Then get a tanfoglio.

How do you justify 1500 on a beretta, but can’t on a CZ?
 
Alright, well... the "backordered part" is coming. I ordered the Wilson Combat extractor spring... only a few bucks and I trust Wilson Combat. I have lined up a gunsmith locally who will do it for me so I don't mess up my slide (because the pivot pin is staked) and it'll cost me a total of $120 when you factor in the parts, labor, driving there and back. He's also going to install better sights on my Steyr, which comes with "techno sights" that suck.

Unless it malfunctions again and I really do need to send it in for warranty, I'm not selling it. The 92 has many layers of nostalgia for me.

I ordered an extra extractor to give to a buddy of mine who is going to model it (he says he can scan it...?) and he'll figure out what steel it is. I want to see if we can make them with a stronger material and potentially produce them with an actually useful loaded cartridge indicator.
 
How do you justify 1500 on a beretta, but can’t on a CZ?

The CZ Orange, which is depicted as the competition, MSRPs for $2249. The Beretta MSRPs at $1599. Street prices are equally different.
 
Somewhere up top I thought you or someone else said you paid 1500

You can find and orange under 1700, and it’s worth th extra.
 
you are fucking kidding me, right? you gotta sell a WHOLE lot of guns in order to even just stay in bidness, let alone come out ahead. i honestly dont know how places stay open anymore. the places around here that are still operating make their money with other stuff (range time, other related equipment) and i STILL wonder how they keep the doors open.
Selling guns themselves is almost no profit. I know very well how much mark up is in them. Gun smithing, accessories ect... is decent profit. Some places will straight up tell you to buy it online and have it sent here, for $35 we will do the background for you.

I know when I go in my local gun store that the price on anything and everything in there is going to be more than I can get it for online. I also know that if I have an issue, they will take care of it. I pay a little more for some things in order to buy from them, because they are right down the road and when I have a problem, they are there....
 
Or get a Shadow 2 and send it to Cajun Gun Works for their Pro Carry package
Or get a 75b Urban Omega and send it to CGW
I’ve never heard a reason not to send it to CGW.

One day when I’m not poor I’ll get a CZ comp gun for shits and giggles. My slightly built 34 shoots well, and was more my price range lol
 
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It’s not on the store, it’s on the manufacturer. Maggot sounds like one of those bad customers.

Yes they can choose to eat it, but the manufacturer has the warranty.
Im not a bad customer, Ive just dealt with some great companies and and some shit know the difference. Its not that his dealer will 'eat it" they'll just have to be patient in getting their money back form Bullshiterretta. They sold it, they should stand behind their product. because the small guy at the end of the chain shouldnt have to. Not on a firearm that broke the first time he fired it.

Bullshit.

But then maybe I hold myself to a higher standard than most. Like I said, Ive thrown away a couple expensive items because in good conscience I couldnt pass them on.

Fuck his dealer if he wont.
 
Selling guns themselves is almost no profit. I know very well how much mark up is in them. Gun smithing, accessories ect... is decent profit. Some places will straight up tell you to buy it online and have it sent here, for $35 we will do the background for you.

I know when I go in my local gun store that the price on anything and everything in there is going to be more than I can get it for online. I also know that if I have an issue, they will take care of it. I pay a little more for some things in order to buy from them, because they are right down the road and when I have a problem, they are there....
This. They actually have to look you in the eye.
 
Im not a bad customer, Ive just dealt with some great companies and and some shit know the difference. Its not that his dealer will 'eat it" they'll just have to be patient in getting their money back form Bullshiterretta. They sold it, they should stand behind their product. because the small guy at the end of the chain shouldnt have to. Not on a firearm that broke the first time he fired it.

Bullshit.

But then maybe I hold myself to a higher standard than most. Like I said, Ive thrown away a couple expensive items because in good conscience I couldnt pass them on.

Fuck his dealer if he wont.
Still not the stores problem there’s a reason you go to the manufacturer for warranty work.

It’s not a shirt it’s a gun, it’s on the manufacturer period. Stores don’t have guarantees on firearms even your paper work in the box usually says something to the tune of “Incase of defect DO NOT return to store, send firearm to manufacturer”.

You can whine customer service all you want but you’re still wrong in the long run. With wear part that cheap replace it and move on if you don’t like the other options....which he’s doing.
 
Still not the stores problem there’s a reason you go to the manufacturer for warranty work.

It’s not a shirt it’s a gun, it’s on the manufacturer period. Stores don’t have guarantees on firearms even your paper work in the box usually says something to the tune of “Incase of defect DO NOT return to store, send firearm to manufacturer”.

You can whine customer service all you want but you’re still wrong in the long run. With wear part that cheap replace it and move on if you don’t like the other options....which he’s doing.
No, youre wrong in the short, medium, and long run. Refunding on an object that broke after one day is called 'courtesy' and good customer service.. Maybe thats not common where youre from. Maybe thats not how YOU operate. Thats your failure and tells me that if you ever have anything for sale in the PX , even if its what I want at a good price, Ill 'move on' because you've just shown me you dont consider being honorable an important quality in your dealings.

A good store would make it right without him having to wait months for an item he had only one day.

He's moving on because he has no other reasonable option since::

-The retailer is fucking him.
-The manufacturer is fucking him.

Now you move on.
 
No, youre wrong in the short, medium, and long run. Refunding on an object that broke after one day is called 'courtesy' and good customer service.. Maybe thats not common where youre from. Maybe thats not how YOU operate. Thats your failure and tells me that if you ever have anything for sale in the PX , even if its what I want at a good price, Ill 'move on' because you've just shown me you dont consider being honorable an important quality in your dealings.

A good store would make it right without him having to wait months for an item he had only one day.

He's moving on because he has no other reasonable option since::

-The retailer is fucking him.
-The manufacturer is fucking him.

Now you move on.
You’re logic is based on feelings. It’s not the stores fault the manufacturer sent out a faulty part.

A normal store would replace the extractor for good CS even then you might as well be accepting liability not letting the manufacturer the care of it. you don’t get a completely different gun for a $25 wear part breaking that’s stupid as hell. You don’t get a new truck because you got a flat.

I couldn’t sell you anything on the PX, I couldn’t live knowing you’re rubbing your balls on my old gun. 😆
 
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In a world full of Walther PDP’s Glocks, and staccotos you’ve gone and done something silly like this.
 
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It was also full of options to be taken care of but he didn’t like any of them because they weren’t exactly what he wanted.... and oddly enough the one he chose was the easiest and probably fastest. Even faster and cheaper to do it himself, easy job and satisfaction of knowing you did it.
 
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You’re logic is based on feelings. It’s not the stores fault the manufacturer sent out a faulty part.

A normal store would replace the extractor for good CS even then you might as well be accepting liability not letting the manufacturer the care of it. you don’t get a completely different gun for a $25 wear part breaking that’s stupid as hell. You don’t get a new truck because you got a flat.

I couldn’t sell you anything on the PX, I couldn’t live knowing you’re rubbing your balls on my old gun. 😆
Youre still wrong, has nothing to do with feelings, it has to do with ethics, and treating your customer right. YOure using a technicality to get out of responsibility. Thats wrong.

Lets look at the truck scenario a bit differently.

You buy a brand new truck critical to your getting to work. You drive it 4 miles and the engine seizes because of a faulty oil drain plug let all the oil drain out under pressure. You have it towed back to the dealer and they tell you...Its the manufactures fault, we'll have to wait for them to authorize and make the repair. Manufacturer says we dont have the parts to repair it and have no idea when theyll be available. Dealer says fuck you you'll just have to wait 6-12 months, maybe forever, til the manufacturer fixes it. So are you supposed to lose your job because 'no truck'. Likely you cant afford to shell out for another one and youre still having to make payments on a POS sitting on the dealers lot.

If you really believe that crap you're pushing, youre even dumber than I already had you pegged for, and Ive had you pegged for a dumb for some time.

Maybe the clue in in your handle. Ak....47. A (Godless/morally corrupt system) commie piece if there ever was one. Try getting yourself an AMERICAN made AR15. Plenty of ethical manufacturers around. Perhaps if you handle an American product for awhile, then maybe you;ll come to understand good ETHICAL American business practices. I wont hold my breath but one can always hope.
 
Youre still wrong, has nothing to do with feelings, it has to do with ethics, and treating your customer right. YOure using a technicality to get out of responsibility. Thats wrong.

Lets look at the truck scenario a bit differently.

You buy a brand new truck critical to your getting to work. You drive it 4 miles and the engine seizes because of a faulty oil drain plug let all the oil drain out under pressure. You have it towed back to the dealer and they tell you...Its the manufactures fault, we'll have to wait for them to authorize and make the repair. Manufacturer says we dont have the parts to repair it and have no idea when theyll be available. Dealer says fuck you you'll just have to wait 6-12 months, maybe forever, til the manufacturer fixes it. So are you supposed to lose your job because 'no truck'. Likely you cant afford to shell out for another one and youre still having to make payments on a POS sitting on the dealers lot.

If you really believe that crap you're pushing, youre even dumber than I already had you pegged for, and Ive had you pegged for a dumb for some time.

Maybe the clue in in your handle. Ak....47. A (Godless/morally corrupt system) commie piece if there ever was one. Try getting yourself an AMERICAN made AR15. Plenty of ethical manufacturers around. Perhaps if you handle an American product for awhile, then maybe you;ll come to understand good ETHICAL American business practices. I wont hold my breath but one can always hope.
Yeah I’m the stupid one, you’re obviously a male Karen type whatever that’s called. It’s a screen name you can’t even keep politics out of it, that’s what people fall to as a last resort. AKM.....47 it’s just a screen name. I not a 1911 fanboy I don’t get butt hurt about this type of rant. You’re just some guy who brags about sucking his own dick back in the day online like anyone cares, you don’t upset me I don’t sleep much so you’re just entertaining me at this point. You can’t even figure out that my reasoning to come into the pit is to act stupid and wind down, it’s the internet not normal everyday life.

You turned a flat tire scenario into a seized engine, that’s like changing his ejector into a split slide or frame. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

The store offered to ship it, the MANUFACTURER said it would be months, that’s pretty normal his gun isn’t special everyone waits. You have such a need to feel special if everyone doesn’t bend to your will they are “fucking you”.

That’s the problem everyone like you thinks they are special and need their ass kissed constantly. The stores charge to ship, it costs them time and money if you don’t like it they don’t usually care they make their own policies. Other stores close to him definitely have zero responsibility to ship it free, it was never their problem to begin with “Customer service...blah, blah, blah!”.

You’re also white knighting for a grown man who half the people on this thread are telling they don’t care, or just fix it and sell it. Now just challenge me to a fight and you’ll have completed the old man on a forum hat trick.

If you get this butt hurt over someone disagreeing with you I can’t imagine what something that mattered would do to you.

“You sound like a bad customer”

“COMMUNIST AK’s!”
 
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