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The Cartridge Conundrum

No, it’s a mindset,

It’s not about instant change or acceptance this is their bullshit thinking, “ well we can’t make that change cuz, “ it’s crap, it change on every level. It’s about opening the door and saying yes you can.

I guess you missed where I see people say, don’t do that you won’t be competitive.. we already know you’re not gonna be competitive, why does all this focus on placement vs growth. I see the word no more than sure.

If a person says, I wanna go do this with less than, I say, great, do it 3x get your feet under you then make the decision. Like bags, they are expensive and there are 10 variants, it’s truly the multiverse. I say, borrow all the bags until you find the one you like, then buy it, and look for a used one.

You have No Fucking Clue what I tell people, they only assume, you hate this, no I hate people, I see value in this if the wrong people would stop mucking it up for personal gain.

I don’t use this with Marc classes much, but this is in my PRII slides
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Nothing changes overnight except failure, it’s giving people permission to be less than, this is what started that, I saw a question, and the answer was, you can’t do that, don’t waste your time, the winners use this and if you’re not you’re stupid, I saw all that, how does that, ur, grow the sport.

I will submit over the last 20 years, I’ve successfully “grown the sport” equal to if not better than any other name.
 
I had a big post, but I'll keep it simple. I agree with Franks post above and club matches are where it's at for new and seasoned shooters. It's where guys should come and have fun, learn, borrow equipment etc. Plenty of viable cartridges to use to get into the game including 223 and ARC. I feel like another group of competitive shooters would have said absolutely to the ARC so it is unfortunate for the fellow on Facebook was met with that mindset. Curious what group that is??

I have witnessed a couple instances where a guy really needed to understand his rifle system better and in that case going to a training class would have been worth his time more than the club match. We all helped him along, but there were a few cringe moments, full revs off for no reason etc. Running matches on any level is a lot of work, but if some of the clubs start offering more train ups as a landing pad for the absolute newbies then they will be T'd up for success on their first match and I bet they come back. I worry that when a guy crashes and burns hard despite plenty of help at a match he may say, nope not for me.
 
Dasher over 6arc in a bolt gun for sure though. Especially if someone is just getting into reloading, why advise them to pay for brass, dies, and equipment in a suckier round compared to pointing them in the right direction from the start.

And reloading dasher is super easy button, copy someone else’s load and you can hit low sd’s and small groups.
 
Debating minutia aside, a new cartridge isn't going to be a sudden solution for getting people to try PRS. Like others have said, cost is a huge part of the barrier to entry and yet another niche cartridge won't fix that.

Cost is only a barrier if you make it one.
 
Cost is only a barrier if you make it one.
Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.
 
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Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.

That’s my point. In this thread talking about new shooters and people are worried about things that will make advanced shooters get to a podium as why the sport is expensive. It’s not expensive to get into the sport and if you are just getting into the sport you shouldn’t be worried about being competitive or placing. You should be worried about being safe and learning.
 
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Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.
See ya gotta be competitive, meanwhile 80% aren’t, yes you go to have fun first and foremost
 
So, I know this has been discussed probably a 1000 times but I currently shoot a 6.5CM and have about 2000 rounds on the Bartlein barrel. New to PRS, only done 3 matches, and looking at getting another barrel sometime in the near future when this barrel is shot out.

I like my 6.5CM, recently started reloading, so that's a factor but I am open to other options. 6 Dasher is being highly suggested by a couple of friends. I have only shot maybe 4 or 5 rounds of the 6 Dasher and liked it but being new to PRS I have a ton of other issues to work on and my current setup isn't one of the issues though I understand lower recoil helps. Is it worth it switching cartridges since I will be replacing the barrel anyways? My son's rifle is also a 6.5CM but he's in law school and doesn't have time to do any shooting right now so that's not really a factor either.
 
So, I know this has been discussed probably a 1000 times but I currently shoot a 6.5CM and have about 2000 rounds on the Bartlein barrel. New to PRS, only done 3 matches, and looking at getting another barrel sometime in the near future when this barrel is shot out.

I like my 6.5CM, recently started reloading, so that's a factor but I am open to other options. 6 Dasher is being highly suggested by a couple of friends. I have only shot maybe 4 or 5 rounds of the 6 Dasher and liked it but being new to PRS I have a ton of other issues to work on and my current setup isn't one of the issues though I understand lower recoil helps. Is it worth it switching cartridges since I will be replacing the barrel anyways? My son's rifle is also a 6.5CM but he's in law school and doesn't have time to do any shooting right now so that's not really a factor either.

With three matches under your belt you are still very new and changing calibers won’t really help much. You can if you want and try a 6mm but if you do I would recommend sticking with an easy button 6mm like a 6 Creed, 6GT etc. Rounds that will feed from your present set up and magazines without issue or need modification. You can easily load them to the same velocities as a Dasher and get similar recoil.

Don’t chase the cartridge the “top guy” is using as that is not what got him there. Practice did.
 
You might be be able to get the same effect (lower recoil) as going to a smaller 6mm just by adding more weight to your rig…

In 2025, when a lot of guys who were shooting 6’s are moving to bigger 25cal/6.5mm’s (or seriously considering it, like me) for more feedback downrange, that might be a cheaper, possibly better option to consider…
 
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So, I know this has been discussed probably a 1000 times but I currently shoot a 6.5CM and have about 2000 rounds on the Bartlein barrel. New to PRS, only done 3 matches, and looking at getting another barrel sometime in the near future when this barrel is shot out.

I like my 6.5CM, recently started reloading, so that's a factor but I am open to other options. 6 Dasher is being highly suggested by a couple of friends. I have only shot maybe 4 or 5 rounds of the 6 Dasher and liked it but being new to PRS I have a ton of other issues to work on and my current setup isn't one of the issues though I understand lower recoil helps. Is it worth it switching cartridges since I will be replacing the barrel anyways? My son's rifle is also a 6.5CM but he's in law school and doesn't have time to do any shooting right now so that's not really a factor either.
If you like your 65CM - certainly you can stick with it and continue to progress in the sport. I started with 65CM and I run 6 Dasher now. Just remember, the financial cost of swapping from 65CM to 6something or 25something is not just the barrel - that includes new dies, new brass, maybe different powder, maybe different mags. I have lots of friends running 65CM for multiple seasons.
 
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Thanks for the info. I do know that being new to PRS the cartridge I shoot definitely isn't my issue, far from it. I do have weights on my rifle and also using the Abel Theorem with the new brake. While I know less recoil could/would probable help some I don't feel the current recoil is bad at all and definitely not my issue. Plus, the fact I just started reloading and it seems to be going pretty well might make more sense to just stick with my 6.5 for now. I can always switch in the future once I get the basics down and learn WTH I'm doing if I want. I want to take a class soon so it might be money much better spent on training than a new cartridge for now so will think about it. Appreciate the suggestions.
 
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I think there’s a sort of an equilibrium around cartridges these days where guys who are good might want to experiment with what works best for them whether that be a lighter/faster 6 with lower recoil versus a heavier/not much slower .25/6.5… but the guys who are good will hit targets regardless.

In a 22-25lb gun… it’s getting into different flavors of vanilla almost (vanilla , vanilla bean, French vanilla, Hagen Daz versus Jenni’s etc) 😅
 
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