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260 Loads Only

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I have 4 260s and the last one I had built was with a boughton barrel. I can only use 41.4 grs H4350
139 laupas
Rem brass
CCIbr2
COAL 2.835
2830fps
Must have a tighter bore dia. than may others. Use same reamer. But different pressures.
 
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42.6gr RE17 (that's over book max, so start low)
CCI 200
WW 7/08 necked down
140gr Berger VLD

Avg MV (@ 10') = 2845fps
SD = 11fps

Stiller TAC30 with a 26" Brux barrel

Averages just under 0.5 MOA (even with me shooting!)


I did not get the SD and accuracy down until I switched from Fed210M to CCI200 with this load.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: greentimber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Avg MV (@ 10') = 2845fps</div></div>

That's a very respectable number, but I was sort of expecting something higher with RE17.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: greentimber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Avg MV (@ 10') = 2845fps</div></div>

That's a very respectable number, but I was sort of expecting something higher with RE17. </div></div>

That's several steps lower than the top end I tested. I had several loads that averaged into the 2900s with no signs of pressure.

My goal with this rifle was to push a 140 VLD @ 2850. When I got there and was shooting in the 0.3" and 0.4" range I decided to call her good.
 
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I'm in the process of putting together a 260. Surgeon RSR w/ Krieger 1:8 5R 26" tube. I'll only be shooting the heavy stuff 139+. And I only want to use Lapua brass. So is it better to neck up 243->6.5 or neck down 308->6.5?
 
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I've been running the same basic load all year.
22" Lilja 1:8" twist, I believe 3-groove barrel. Jet brake / adapter & 308 suppressor.
Winchester 7mm/08 brass, sized to 260 Remington
Exactly 43.5gr H4350, from an RCBS Chargemaster 1500
CCI BR2 primer
Lapua 139gr Scenar, COAL ~2.82"

I use a Dillon RL550B with a Whidden Gunworks billet toolhead. "Floating" dies. Decapper in station-1 to poke out any stray corn-cob media, powder-funnel in station-2, Redding Competition seating die in station-3. Station 4 empty.

I use other tools and toolheads for brass prep.

I haven't cleaned this rifle in what seems like FOREVER. Probably <500rds though.

Lately I'm noticing pressure signs I don't recall seeing before. Definitely with increasing frequency. Sometimes the bolt is a little harder to open and / or shiny spot on the brass.

When I worked-up this load, I had a mean of exactly 2800fps with 43.5gr H4350.

Today with 43.0gr H4350 over an Oehler 35P, I got:

3-shots
High - 2861
Low - 2851
ES - 10
Mean - 2855
SD - 5

I don't have a good explanation for why 43.0gr H4350 is giving me significantly MORE velocity that 43.5gr. Except maybe pressures have been gradually increasing as this barrel gets dirtier?

Also took my first foray into Reloder 17. 42.0 grains. No pressure signs.

5-shots
High - 2779
Low - 2763
ES - 16
Mean - 2771
SD - 5
 
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Those numbers didn't look quite right, so I ran them again.

42gr RL17
3-shots
High - 2743
Low - 2731
ES - 12
Mean - 2737
SD - 6

42.5gr RL17
3-shots
High - 2842
Low - 2827
ES - 15
Mean - 2833
SD - 7

43gr RL17
4-shots
High - 2884
Low - 2836
ES - 48
Mean - 2862
SD - 21

43gr H4350
3-shots
High - 2817
Low - 2768
ES - 49
Mean - 2785
SD - 27

43.5gr H4350
2-shots
High - 2820
Low - 2801
ES - 19
Mean - 2810
SD - 13
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael Aos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those numbers didn't look quite right, so I ran them again.

42gr RL17
...
42.5gr RL17
...
43gr RL17
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What are your groups like @ 43gr? I have loaded up to 42.5 but accuracy was terrible. My best group was @ 41gr, and was wondering if I could reach the next accuracy node, but going much higher than 42.5 scares me a bit, if only because it is so much higher than Alliant's data though I too didn't have any pressure signs @ 42.5gr. I'm shooting 140gr Berger HPBT LR's through a 28" McGowen barrel in a Savage action.
 
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I had an 8lb jug of H4350 I bought back in 2006. It took me a while to get around to working up a load, and then I haven't been able to find any H4350 for probably the last year. Finally gave up and started eyeing RL17. My intent was to find something with similar velocity (and accuracy). 42.5gr RL17 seems to fit that bill. I didn't see any pressure signs with 43gr of RL17, but the velocity was a little disconcerting AND the numbers weren't as good.

Like I mentioned, this barrel hasn't been cleaned in FOREVER and I'm not particularly adept at shooting groups anyway.

~100yd groups w/42.5gr RL17 & 139gr Scenar
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The "flyer" in the upper right corner was before I adjusted the scope. Disregard.
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~200yd
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In 3 of my 260s I use H4831SC.

Here is my load.On each rilfe it varies between 48 grs to 48.3 grs.

H4831SC 48.2grs
139 lapuas
CCI BR 2
Remm Brass
COAL 2.830

depending on barrel length 24" 2800 8 twist/ 26" 2870 8.5 twist/ 26" 2840 8 twist. The SDS are under 9. Here is a 5 shot group at 100 yards. The shot on the right was a fouler.

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After changing my shooting rest setup to accommodate the flat foreend of my rifle, I found two accurate loads using RL 17 and two with H4350, but does anyone know why I'm getting much lower MV's than other people here?

260 Rem, Savage varmint action, 28" McGowan barrel, 139gr Scenar, Remington brass, CCI BR-2, 0.010" off the lands.

41.0 gr of RL17 gets me sub 0.6" 5-shot groups with my shooting, but an average MV of only 2580, less than Alliant's published data.

42.7 gr of RL17 gets me same sized groups, but MV average 2715, way less than the 2850+ people are getting. There's no pressure signs with this load.

42.0 gr of H4350 gets me same accuracy and an MV average of 2373, 43:0 gr gets me an MV average of 2423.

 
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Are you work the loads up? or Finding an accurate load?

Both of these powders should give much faster speeds. If you have a looser bore. You might have to increase the charge weight.

I have used 4350, Rl-17,and 4831sc. All of these powders work around the same speeds or close. Chrono might be off. I would go down the check list and see what it is. I have 5 260s. All produce a close numbers besides barrel lenths. Good luck and post your results


P.S. ChadTRG42 is a hide member here. He does a lot of loading. Maybe pm him and ask his opinion.
http://www.dallasreloads.com/
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you work the loads up? or Finding an accurate load?
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Yeah, I did a round robin 41/41.5/42/42.5/42.7 and found the most accurate load. For example, the 42.7 gr of RL17 gave me a 5 shot group that was slightly over 0.55". So the accuracy I am satisfied with. It's just the speeds seem about 150fps less than what others are reporting, regardless of the powder or loads.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of these powders should give much faster speeds. If you have a looser bore. You might have to increase the charge weight.
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I never thought about that. I'm guessing there's a relationship between bore diameter and pressure, and therefore velocity?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have used 4350, Rl-17,and 4831sc. All of these powders work around the same speeds or close. Chrono might be off.
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Will look into that too, though I ran into another Hide member at the range and let him chrono his m193, m855/ss109, and Black Hills 75gr loads and the numbers were in line with published results.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would go down the check list and see what it is. I have 5 260s. All produce a close numbers besides barrel lenths. Good luck and post your results


P.S. ChadTRG42 is a hide member here. He does a lot of loading. Maybe pm him and ask his opinion.
http://www.dallasreloads.com/
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Thanks, I'll do that.
 
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Chad does great work,he loaded me some up different loads and group d shot .236 group...i would really recomend him...... a+++++++
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nhm16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you work the loads up? or Finding an accurate load?
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Yeah, I did a round robin 41/41.5/42/42.5/42.7 and found the most accurate load. For example, the 42.7 gr of RL17 gave me a 5 shot group that was slightly over 0.55". So the accuracy I am satisfied with. It's just the speeds seem about 150fps less than what others are reporting, regardless of the powder or loads.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both of these powders should give much faster speeds. If you have a looser bore. You might have to increase the charge weight.
</div></div>

I never thought about that. I'm guessing there's a relationship between bore diameter and pressure, and therefore velocity?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have used 4350, Rl-17,and 4831sc. All of these powders work around the same speeds or close. Chrono might be off.
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Will look into that too, though I ran into another Hide member at the range and let him chrono his m193, m855/ss109, and Black Hills 75gr loads and the numbers were in line with published results.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would go down the check list and see what it is. I have 5 260s. All produce a close numbers besides barrel lenths. Good luck and post your results


P.S. ChadTRG42 is a hide member here. He does a lot of loading. Maybe pm him and ask his opinion.
http://www.dallasreloads.com/
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Thanks, I'll do that. </div></div>

I contacted ChadTRG42 and he suggested that some barrels take ~150-200 rounds to come up to speed... and that is the case.

After 150 rounds down the barrel... I shot 50 rounds of my load with 42.7gr of RL17 and got an average MV of 2830fps, SD of around 11, forgot what the ES was but it was pretty low too. I know it's only my technique that keeps me from getting sub-0.5 MOA groups
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Result of this load.

JLKs 130
Nos. brass
BR2 primers
RL-17 44.5grs
O-give 2.333

24" bartlien barrel 8 twist 3 shot over Chrono
1) 2851
2) 2860
3) 2864

26" Kreiger barrel 8 twist 3 shots over chrono
1) 2947
2) 2962
3) 2952
ES 15
SD 7.9
 
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Are these 139gr lapua and 142gr smk's loaded to Mag length, or are you guys using modified magazines? I just got my .260 back and am trying to find a place to start with a load. I have read the .260 threads, but was just wanting to confirm were to start before I start buying some bullets. I have badger m5 base metal and am looking for bullets that can be loaded to mag length. Thanks for the help!
 
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Hornady AMAX, Lapua 139 Scenar, or the Sierra MK....

and on to my question, where are you guys finding published loads, in my Lyman manual it doesnt have Reloder 17 and i am a little unsure about Alliant's site data as it seems to be a bit low from what people are posting on here. If someone would please post a manual Recommended start weight and max recommended for the 140 AMAX and RE17 i would appreciate it alot
 
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Winchester 7mm-08 brass, sized to 260 Remington. 139gr Scenar. CCI BR2 primer. ~42.5gr RL17. OAL 2.82"

Had previously chronographed this batch @ 2833fps (high 2842, low 2827, ES 15, SD 7) from my 22" Lilja 1:8" twist 3-groove. Today I got:
High - 2807
Low - 2760
ES - 47
M - 2783
SD - 33

It was very late in the day and overcast, so I think these numbers are suspect.

Then I switched to a different lot (2CN71) of Winchester 7mm-08 brass. Same prep, same load, EXCEPT that this time I loaded up 100rds using 2 Chargemaster 1500's. Again the lighting was less than ideal so I'm not sure these are really valid.
High - 2828
Low - 2760
ES - 68
M - 2782
SD - 26

I also loaded up 20rds with 43.0gr RL17 using both RCBS Chargemaster 1500's.

High - 2829
Low - 2808
ES - 21
M - 2818
SD - 10
 
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Myself and about 5 others in the club run this brass/powder/bullet load... seating depth and primers vary...

47gn of H4831SC ( Compressed Load )
Rem Brass ( I trim mine to what the reloading manual says 2.025 I think )
BR2 Primers
139g Lapua Scenars seating .015 off the lands
.289 Neck Bushing

I get 2820 fps and the accuracy is good
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4th Seal, i have been talkin to Vu and Terry Cross about that load, so i have about 50 rds laddered up to that load. Only variation is the 140 AMAX as opposed to the Scenar
 
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i loaded up to 44 gr of h4350 in a 28 inch sheilin with 142 smks today. at 44gr powder and 2.80 oal i got 2840fps. does that seam slower than it should be to anyone else? round count on the barrel is 900ish and im using nosler 260 brass and a fed match primer
 
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That sounds a little slow according to the amount of powder. I would think around 2870 to 2910. A 28" barrel give some gains.
 
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Surgeon built, .260 , 8.5 twist, 26" barrel
47.5 gr. of 4831SC
WW 7-08 brass
CCI BR2 primers
140 VLD bergers
~2800fps 10sd, 25ESD
0.008 off the lands
slightly compressed load ( a little crunch)
Shooting consistent 0.3-0.4" at 100yds but havent had a chance to do longer ranges yet as i have only had the rifle a little over a month.

Thanks to Chad from Custom Reloads of Dallas for turning me on to this awesome load. ( He suggested 4350 but I had 2 tubs of 4831SC and he predicted the 47.5 before a round went down the tube -- he knows his stuff!)
 
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Is anybody having any luck with 4831sc? I just picked some up to try and see what results it will produce. If anybody has a good startin point with 142smk's and br2's would gladly appreciate a startin point. I like to see it from someone that has been shootin it rather then reading from a book.
 
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I use this as my main powder for my 260s. I have tried others like RL-17 h4350. but I like this powder the most. It gives me the best results.
I shoot 139s lapuas. It gives me single digit SDs.

139s lapuas
Rem brass
BR2 prim
o-give 2.333
H4831sc 48grs

I would start lower for a powder charge. Use a Nosler loading data on this. Do not load this, work your load up to safe levels. Good luck
 
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Id just like to say I had a 260 built over here in england last week and did not have much time to set up and test for a match today. I went to the range saturday and used the 139Scenar/H4350 Loads suggested on here and was immediately pleased with sub 1/2 moa accuracy at 100 yards. My chrono was playing games and would not give me a reading so I just went with the hottest load I had made up and shot well at 43.4gr at 10 thou off the lands and extimated a 2750fps speed. Im pleased to say I shot the tournament today with an open mind, won it with a clean max score at 100 yards and scoring shots at 300 and 500 on a prairie dog target without sighters. I also posted a 0,9" group at 300 and a 0.8" at 500 so am thrilled and thankfull to all those who plugged this load combo as a tried and tested number. I will certainly be back here for more info in the future as you guys got my 300win mag shooting too with your suggestions.

Thanks Guys
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Bear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id just like to say I had a 260 built over here in england last week and did not have much time to set up and test for a match today. I went to the range saturday and used the 139Scenar/H4350 Loads suggested on here and was immediately pleased with sub 1/2 moa accuracy at 100 yards. My chrono was playing games and would not give me a reading so I just went with the hottest load I had made up and shot well at 43.4gr at 10 thou off the lands and extimated a 2750fps speed. Im pleased to say I shot the tournament today with an open mind, won it with a clean max score at 100 yards and scoring shots at 300 and 500 on a prairie dog target without sighters. I also posted a 0,9" group at 300 and a 0.8" at 500 so am thrilled and thankfull to all those who plugged this load combo as a tried and tested number. I will certainly be back here for more info in the future as you guys got my 300win mag shooting too with your suggestions.

Thanks Guys </div></div>

Nice job!
 
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Factory DPMS upper, 24" SS barrel, 1:8.5tw
Win 243 Brass, sized up, prepped, 1x's fired

123 Amax seated to mag length (~0.028" jump)
IMR4350
CCI #200

300yd test

45.2 - 45.7gr; 10 shots of each

45.2 - 2895 fps avg, MOA results
45.3 - chrono problem, just under MOA results, some vertical stringing
45.4 - 2938fps, round shaped group, 2" total for 10 shots
45.5 - 2947fps, slightly horizontal string, 2.5" group
45.6 - showing pressure signs, 2940 fps, MOA accuracy
45.7 - heavy pressure signs, 2928 fps, 1.5 MOA results
 
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Hueys66,

Ive got a GAP 260 Templar/ Bartlien 24" and Im running-
H4831sc 46.8gr
139 scenars
20thou off lands
Fed 210 primers

With Remington brass I get ejector marks but with Nosler brass I get a clean case that runs about 3 loads longer. I have no idea why this is happening with the RP brass but it seems that other guys are having the same problem even with different loads and powders- FYI
 
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Chad,
Have a questions for you, there seems to be a disparity between what quickload comes up with and what the Hodgdon site advertises. I was going to try out a load of 123 smk's and about 45.5 grains of H4350. When I asked a friend of mine to run it thru quickload he came uo with 44 grains being way overpressure ( 61k'ish ). I know that they don't advertise a 123 smk load on their site so I was going somewhere in the middle of their 120 and 125 load.

Any idea why the difference?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grmroper001</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chad,
Have a questions for you, there seems to be a disparity between what quickload comes up with and what the Hodgdon site advertises. I was going to try out a load of 123 smk's and about 45.5 grains of H4350. When I asked a friend of mine to run it thru quickload he came uo with 44 grains being way overpressure ( 61k'ish ). I know that they don't advertise a 123 smk load on their site so I was going somewhere in the middle of their 120 and 125 load.

Any idea why the difference? </div></div>
Yes, there is a lot of spread between Hodgdon's website data with certain bullets close in weight. I'm not sure why. For example, the 142 SMK shows a max charge of 44.5 grains of H4350, and a max of 42.0 grains for the 140 Partition. The 44.5 charge would be a very hot load, and should be over max in most rifles. The only thing I would recommend is work up the loads in your rifle to see what you get. If you want to find out where your max pressure is quickly, load up 1 round each in .5 grain increments, starting at about 43.5 with the 123 grain bullet, and go up to about 45 or 46. Once you find this max, start load development about 1.5 to 2 grains below max, and you'll find a good load in there somewhere.
Quickload has many variables that can alter the pressure output in that program. I would use it as a guide, unless you can enter your exact specs of the case and chamber.
 
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Thanks a ton Chad, I'm still in the process of deciding on bullets and powder. This will give me a start
 
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My latest testing with .260 brass from .308 Lapua casings. Rifle is an FN SPR with a Rock Creek barrel 1 in 8 twist 5R grooves, 25.5 inch Rem varmint contour.

Brass was sized in 7mm08 then .260 Rem, trimmed,turned, fireformed, annealed and turned again. (Tell me about it!)

I worked on the low side of my nodes with RP brass to account for the loss of case volume. Temp was 78-84 deg F and winds were 10-15mph and switching like a woman in walk in closet.

BR2's, 139 Scenars, oal 2.830 (0.030 jump)

lower node
41.2 H4350; 2679 Av, ES 19, 6 SD, group 1/2"tall 1 "wide in 10-15mph winds

41.4 H4350; 2688 Av, ES 13, 2 SD, group 3/8" tall and 3/4" wide

should have done 41.6 here

upper node (fixed aggregious typos!)
42.7 H4350; 2792 Av, ES 22, 8 SD, group 1/8" tall and 3/4" wide

42.9 H4350; 2816 Av, 12 ES, 2 SD, group 1/3" tall and 1 1/8" wide

These seem very good for now and show no worrisome signs like with the RP brass and their 43 plus grains of H4350. Previously I had used GM210s, WLR's and Wolf primers. This was my first with BR2's as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowslngr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short Round,
I assume that is 43.7 and 43.9 grains of H4350 for your upper node?</div></div>

Bowslinger- Negative! Talk about typing while distracted.

they would be 42.7 and 42.9 of H4350

thanks for waking me up!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Short Round</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowslngr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short Round,
I assume that is 43.7 and 43.9 grains of H4350 for your upper node?</div></div>

Bowslinger- Negative! Talk about typing while distracted.

they would be 42.7 and 42.9 of H4350

thanks for waking me up! </div></div>

Yeah, me too!
 
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Rifle:
Remington 700 SA
Douglas premium air gaged #8 contour @ 26" with 1 in 8 twist.
McMillan A4 Stock

Load:
Remington Brass
CCI-200 primers
140 AMAX
41.6gr H-4350
OAL - 2.855"
MV - 2675fps

Avg 10 shot group - .42 MOA

Its a very mild load but work up as always.
 
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Same luck here with the 140 A-max and H4350 in two different rifles.

.017 off the lands in both
Rifle 1 26" Bartlien - 41.7 grains
Rifle 2 24" Kreiger - 42.6 grains

Sub .5moa and better in both
Speed 2780 to 2790

JamieD

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GAP Templar, 24" Rock 1-9" 5R
Nosler brass
130gr Swift Scirocco
43.5grs H4350
Fed 210M
0.10 jump
2922fps

Great hunting load...bullet has a .571 bc. Very accurate in this rifle.
 
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I've only manage to put 50 rounds through my Mike Bryant 260 Remington, just trying to work up a load for whitetails. Still need to work on my 200 yard zero but ran out of ammo.

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Tens shots at 200 yards (while chronographing)

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<span style="color: #3366FF">Bullet: Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip
Powder: IMR-4350 43.5 grs.
Primer: Federal 210
Case: Nosler
LOAL: 2.785 (2.262 base to ogive/0.012 bullet jump to lands)
Average Velocity: 2916.88 fps
Extreme Spread: 24.60
Standard Deviation: 9.16

#01 2911.95 fps
#02 2924.51 fps
#03 2916.86 fps
#04 2908.45 fps
#05 2929.56 fps
#06 2904.96 fps
#07 2914.75 fps
#08 2906.35 fps
#09 2928.15 fps
#10 2923.20 fps </span>