Please stop only taking the "Gods" advise. Go 6.5 Lapua for better barrel life and all the above. Save the 6.5 Super LR/S for me.
Where can I find George's article on the 6mm creedmore?
Where can I find George's article on the 6mm creedmore?
The hell with that small primer buddy, I like my butts big! That 6.5 Super LR/S girl is hot! Anyway, people stop buying all the Rem and Win. brass so we can use it to size up to the lady! We do not want to turn her little pretty neck. Thanks, Management
I would choose the 260. Easy to get cases. I like the case taper especially for semi auto. You can neck down 308 brass and turn your necks and get great cases. I also have a few thousand 308 cases on hand. So for me it's a no brainer to me
All 3 are great. But like the other guys said 6.5creedmoor doesn't have good brass. So to me it's between the 260 and 6.5x47. Why bother with the 6.5x47 when the 260 is easier to get cases and factory ammo for and I believe the 260 has better velocity.
The 6.5 Creed ,"bless his heart" just needs some damn good brass period. The 6.5 Creed would be great if it wasn't for the cheap Hornady brass.
Do you own and shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor? I have been since 2008 and always hear on the internet how horrible the Hornady brass is but have never had any problems with the thousands of round I have shot. Have brass with 8 loads on it still tight primer pockets. Just wondering what your basis is for the comment.
Do you own and shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor? I have been since 2008 and always hear on the internet how horrible the Hornady brass is but have never had any problems with the thousands of round I have shot. Have brass with 8 loads on it still tight primer pockets. Just wondering what your basis is for the comment.
Do you own and shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor? I have been since 2008 and always hear on the internet how horrible the Hornady brass is but have never had any problems with the thousands of round I have shot. Have brass with 8 loads on it still tight primer pockets. Just wondering what your basis is for the comment.
Do you own and shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor? I have been since 2008 and always hear on the internet how horrible the Hornady brass is but have never had any problems with the thousands of round I have shot. Have brass with 8 loads on it still tight primer pockets. Just wondering what your basis is for the comment.
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I have been shooting it about that long too. Still have the original brass and most of it has 8 to 9 firings with 2800 FPS+ loads. It still services as good practice brass. Hornady brass is match brass. I would definitely put it ahead of Nosler or Norma brass that costs a lot more. The Creedmoor family is growing and the popularity is already bringing other manufacturers to the table. That cannot be said for the 6.5x47.
Just to play devil's advocate, I happen to get great accuracy out of Hornady brass, but I do find it soft. I have cases with 3 firings and several have pretty loose pockets. I'm firing 123gr bullets out of a match barrel and I'm about 7/10ths below book max with no gas leaks or primer flattening. It's not a myth, it does happen.
My experience as well. I have 260, 6.5CM, 6.5-284, 6.5 SAUM.
My favorite to shoot - 6.5 CM. I like them all, the CM is just so easy in so many ways.
I have had no problems with my 6.5 CM brass. I use Lapua in my 260. It is very nice as well. Maybe I'm not loading my 6.5 CM hot enough. But I get 2830fps with a 140VLD
Well, from what I know, and it ain't much, 6.5 Creed and 140gr at 2830fps is standard. You must be using H4350? You using 43gr. powder? I don't think you want to go higher...I would like to see how close to 2,900fps you could get , though, I'm game for experimenting, Bro.
That's why I started shooting the Creedmoor but not why I kept shooting it. It's an excellent well though out cartridge that performs. And as you mentioned my sponsorships are there for the world to see so not a secret. That said I don't sell out and bullshit people for sponsors. My reputation is worth more to me than any product or internet forum. I have turned down more than one sponsor who had a substandard product. The 6.5 Creedmoor, brass and all, is not one. There is no need for high pressure in the Creedmoor as it does fine to get the heavy bullets fast enough without it but it can be pushed.
Seeing as you didn't answer my question I will assume you are basing your opinion not on personal use and sending thousands of rounds of Creedmoor down range but on internet rumor mil. That's a mistake. Any product can have problems. Even your beloved Lapua but using a small problem as a basis for an over all opinion of a product is also a mistake.
As for calling around on you, if someone is it surely isn't me as honestly I don't care who you are and I have better things to do with my time. You are brand new on this forum but with your posts already on not just this subject I can see it probably won't last.
43grns I am getting 2920-2930fps with the 140 AMAX. 26.5" barrel. Shoots great. Ran it in a match about 4 weeks ago.
I was not refereeing to you in anyway Rob01, lighten up Brother, we're all just surfing the "World Wide Web." Damn, and I thought I needed to get laid.?????????
Bully, loud and proud may not be a good way to start. I've shot with Rob, I have found him to be a great source of fact.
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My loads are currently 142SMK with enough RL17 to get 2850 FPS. Could get more out of it but no need. It is in an accuracy sweet spot there.
I have a load with the Berger 130 VLD pushed by H4350 that tops 3000 FPS without being over pressure. I have just begun to shoot the 6 Creedmoor more and I really think it should go mainstream too. It is very accurate and shoots a little flatter than the 6.5 version.
Yea, I like that 6mm Creed also. But, my eyes are really on the 6.5Super Lr/S. The one with .055 free bore. I bet you can get 3,000fps easy with 140gr loads. Whitley stated over 2,900 without any pressure what so ever. I've called all over about this cartridge. Even got transferred to the man himself, Whitley. I even hunted down 2,700 Win. brand .243 brass with my name on them, off the books. But, in the end I had to go Lapua, just for piece of mind with brass availability. My next build though, shoot4fun, will be a 6.5 Super LR/S. I would like to see someone build the long action one, (has more freebore) and set them long bullets out some with extra powder. What we talking about here fellas, "I feel", is 6.5/.284 performance with barrel life on par with the Lapua and such. I predict future practical tactical long range "Big Dog" here. I was right about the 260 in the mid 2000's or the reign of the 6.5mm's. But, have to admit I didn't see the reign of the 6mm's coming. I predict they will fall away some and people will say it's because missed calls by the score dude (because less impact). Sometimes it is and sometimes its just a grown man not liking you," fudging your hits." One of them kind of matches. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
If one wants 3,000 with a 140, and long barrel life to boot, one needs look no farther than the 6.5 SAUM.
Hint....
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Im back in town and unthawed, the Icebreaker was a great time as usual. The Xtreme Hunter is just at its debut, Im not one to just throw a product at guys without a year of testing. Yes I have over 3400 rounds on my rifle now and its still shooting sub 1/2" Bryan Yeung on Team GAP shot one to 2800 and it was still in the 1/2 " range. This is proven. Its not a real secret its about Pressure!! The 308 runs at at pressures of 53000-58000 PSI I wanted to find a case that would make 3100 with a High BC Bullet at that same low low pressure. The Saum was wat we landed at with lots of testing. With a 140 JLK I could get 3080 FPS with only 53000 PSI I shot this load for a year, guys there are many to witness, I shot this at Lonestar, Snipershide Cup, PTS, Maammoth, and Nor-Cal I shot this at last years IceBreaker, and this years as well , with alot of practice in between, all on the same original Barrel. It still shoots great. The same load is now 3020 but with 63 grains of H1000 and the 130 Berger im getting 3180 in this same warn out Rifle with that group at 1157 to prove it still has some life. Guys this is Legit its about pressure!!!! This cartridge is Game Changing and the Xtreme Hunter is the only rifle a Guy needs in N America.
2 guys now have commented after shooting one. both Quotes were Identical!!! " This is the Deadliest rifle Ive ever shot"!!! Both guys are far from Amateur!
I guess it depends on what you mean by 1000 yard competitions. As far as I know this means (6.5mm wonder gun) F Class Open, with joystick-equipped tripod front rest etc, or perhaps Long Range Highpower Any/Any. With any of your caliber choices, in F Class you will be outgunned by 6.5/284. I have also seen people shooting Any/Any sling with 6.5/284.
After wearing the barrel out on my 6.5-284 in 900 rounds/1+ moa and having it set back only to have it shooting 1+ moa 400 rounds later I won't do one again. Granted I was pushing 140's to 2950fps with H4350 which was a hot load in my rifle. Maybe if i had worked up a load with H-1000 the barrel would have lasted longer???
I have less than 300 rounds through the 6.5 Saum, most of them with a medium load of 60.9 gr Retumbo at 3125 fps, hoping for 3000 before I hit 1 moa, we'll see. All I have to say is a guy needs to shoot one of these at distance to "get" the realization of how easy it is to hit steel in severe winds. I brought a friend out to introduce him to long range a while back. I dialed for him, told him the holdoff and we didn't miss. No use in wasting ammo so we put the 6.5 Saum up and got the 223's out for some challenge. Same winds of 12-20 mph and it was very hard to hit the same steel with the 223's.
If I were to shoot F-class again I'd be using a 7 or 30 with heavy bullets both would shoot inside of 6.5-284 and get better barrel life. 230's at 2940 is even more awesome!
Personally my vote goes for 6.5x47L of the three medium sized cartridges. I like the concept of the PPC attributes - case efficiency, brass quality and extended case life. Seems like 99% of those who build one immediately posts up some 5 shot groups with all touching and small vertical at distance. The only thing I'd do differently is have it throated farther out and shoot hybrids.
Nothing sticks out because they are a wash ballistically. Pick which name sounds coolest to you and go with it. Me personally, I'd pick the 6.5x47 first and the .260 second mainly for the Lapua brass. I would not take a 6.5CM if you gave it to me, because of the brass. The brass sucks. Yes, someone will come on here and say they have some with 15 firings on it and the pockets are still tight. Yeah....ok.
But, my eyes are really on the 6.5Super Lr/S. The one with .055 free bore. I bet you can get 3,000fps easy with 140gr loads.
You're totally tripping. Case capacity is king, and the SLR has LESS than a 260. What on earth would lead you to believe it would outperform the 260 by ~150-200fps?
First of all my friend, research the velocity differents achieved by improving the 260Rem cartridge case. Just by having a 30 degree taper shoulder the 6.5 Super LR/S uses that fuel more efficiently. Your right it does have less case capacity but can it use the fuel it has to get more miles per gallon like a fuel injected engine vs. carbureted, lets say??? That's the question I would like to know. How hard can this cartridge be pushed without pressure signs? That's all. Thanks for chimming in I would like to know. Theirs one guy at the top in practical matches I know of that shoots this round but I have know idea how to contact him. It would be nice to talk with him and see why he chooses this round over the others.
What is the difference between a SLR and the 260 Ackley Improved? Assume the 260AI would have a 40 degree shoulder which would mean more room and more efficiency than the SLR and the 260?
The 260 Improved I was looking at has a 30 degree shoulder, the one Whitley created not Ackley. I know his has to be fire formed, let me go to his site and read a bit. Its been a while since I compared the two, but I came across some benefits mentioned some where.
What is the difference between a SLR and the 260 Ackley Improved? Assume the 260AI would have a 40 degree shoulder which would mean more room and more efficiency than the SLR and the 260
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