You were right. My headspace grew .007-.008 compared to virgin. I am waiting on bushings at the moment, but I will focus on 50 pieces to see what happens before I fireform the rest.
Thanks for the advice.
Thanks for the advice.
Glad you got it figured out. I had the same issues until I realized how much my brass was growing. I am shooting Alpha and it grew .009-ish. So I used shit components to fireform 300 pieces and now all is right with the world. I am simply loving this caliber. I take it, a 6.5x47 Lapua and a little tack driver 223 to the range and when I get done, I feel like some kind of dead eye.You were right. My headspace grew .007-.008 compared to virgin. I am waiting on bushings at the moment, but I will focus on 50 pieces to see what happens before I fireform the rest.
Thanks for the advice.
Correct.That range looks familiar. Immokalee?
It really sucks having jam and fireform Peterson and Alpha cases. It takes away the whole premise of them making Dasher cases, so we didn't have to form Lapua cases. Which at the end of the day, Still has the quality and capacity advantage (in my opinion) over the other brands, so you might as well just stick with Lapua (If you can find it). End rant. Glad i was able to assist from my own personal headaches.Glad you got it figured out. I had the same issues until I realized how much my brass was growing. I am shooting Alpha and it grew .009-ish. So I used shit components to fireform 300 pieces and now all is right with the world. I am simply loving this caliber. I take it, a 6.5x47 Lapua and a little tack driver 223 to the range and when I get done, I feel like some kind of dead eye.
Choosing to run a dasher should come with no cost factor involved in your decision. In my opinion, this is a performance cartridge, and factors such as your preference of components and performance requirements should be a deciding factor. Example: I wanted to switch from 6.5CM to a 6mm for PRS. I prefer Lapua brass, so that narrows my selection down some. I did not like the reported shorter barrel life with the 6 creed. I heard of stories about the 6x47 being a little finicky. Lapua does not make brass for the GT( and the conversion process from 6.5x47 was too much for me). This led me to the 6BR or one of its cousins. I shoot with several guys that run Dashers so I knew that if I needed assistance along the way, i had it..... and that's where I ended up. glad I did. it's a fantastic cartridge for what i do with it. which is running a Berger 105 hybrid at 2920ish FPSNew to 6 Dasher, what does is the cost to reload it with brass and how many reloads do you typically get out of the brass? I understand the bullet choice and when you buy etc will have an impact but assuming you buy powder/bullets/cases etc today.
where do you get 109's?I have a friend that shoots 108 bergers,they shoot well. I shoot 109’s and love them in dasher
The 109s are scarce...but the 108 gr 6mm "elete hunter" is a hybrid design and almost the same BC as the 109 hybrid, and it's available at several places as I was looking for 308 208 gr for 308 Win...but I have not used the "elete hunter" version, of the Berger line. But would consider trying them when out of target bullets.where do you get 109's?
Yup. This guy (not me, this other guy who shoots disgustingly small groups with 108s):Has anyone had any luck with Berger 108’s?
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i bought when availablewhere do you get 109's?
For the Berger 108’s are you guys using the “elite hunter” or the the “target bt”Yes, I use 108 Berger
I'm using the Target BT...the Elite Hunter has a bit higher BC along the hybrid design, and a newer line, I believe they have a thinner jacket for expansion while hunting..not needed in a target bullet. Bergers with thin jackets have blown up on me years ago...but none recently.For the Berger 108’s are you guys using the “elite hunter” or the the “target bt”
I looked at my throat after 500 and it looks like my 6cheatmoor after 1000, but it still hammers27.5 in - 1:7.5 twist
Heavy varmint
Varget
CCI 450
105 match burners
Alpha brass
2813 at 31 grs
First fps drop:
1324 rounds
53fps drop 2813 to 2760
Increased grs from 31 to 31.2 to be at 2790.
Second fps drop:
1730 rounds
I had some issues with this barrel.
For the first 500 rounds, I could not load greater that 31.5 grains of varget without ejector swipe or a slightly heavier bolt lift. But once the barrel sped up, and I dialed in the reloads, the barrel shot amazing up until rounds 1800 rounds. Went to sight-in at my regional finale, and couldn't keep a group smaller than 1.2 mils at 100 yards.
I was hoping to see around 2000 rounds from a barrel, but at 1500 rounds, my throat looked like my 6.5 creedmoor at 3000 rounds. But I will say, I have never encountered a barrel that had the same POI with different powders AND different powder charge weights. Was pretty awesome.
Really, your Dasher barrel is worse than your Creedmoor? What powders are you using in each of them?I looked at my throat after 500 and it looks like my 6cheatmoor after 1000, but it still hammers
I was running H4350 in the creed at like 2850-2900 and Varget in the dasher at 2950. So chances are I just pushed the dasher too hard to chase speed and did some damage but I’ve had weird stuff happening with that barrel since the beginning of its life.Really, your Dasher barrel is worse than your Creedmoor? What powders are you using in each of them?
I looked at my throat after 500 and it looks like my 6cheatmoor after 1000, but it still hammers
112’s at 2920 is definitely spicy, but PRS puts a beating on barrels in general.I pulled my last barrel at 2,116. I don't recall measuring velocity or issues with velocity but it was throwing flyers. I think I was seeing grouping issues a little below 2k and I got a few hundred more rounds by pushing out seating depth significantly. That barrel had a semi-hard life, it's always hot and I shoot strings of 10 - 20 rounds. And for half its life I was pushing it a bit too hard with 112gr MB's at 2920. Not great barrel life but I was happy with 2,116 rounds.
Could always chuck up a Giraud Triway trimmer (used to be ~$125 last time I checked, though it's been awhile).Is there an affordable decent way to trim 6 dasher? I've spent almost 8 grand in the last few weeks on this rifle and I'm getting a little tired of spending. I don't want to spend another 500 bucks on a trimmer.
Does that Lyman xpress trim work with this short caliber?
They were the first people I called because I have the 223 and 308 but unfortunately they said they don't make it for 6 dasher because the case is to shortCould always chuck up a Giraud Triway trimmer (used to be ~$125 last time I checked, though it's been awhile).
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Yeah definitely, I have 300 new alpha brass. I just want to be prepared for when the time comes. I think a trimmer is the last thing I need for this new caliber. I got the 105 berger hybrids to start with.Also just a thought, but do you need to trim now or can you put it off until it's necessary? I used to trim every reload but have since found that to be excessive and now rarely trim only when needed. With my current lot of Dasher brass I think the brass will wear out before it needs to be trimmed so I don't think I'll trim again until I start a new lot of brass.
Is there an affordable decent way to trim 6 dasher? I've spent almost 8 grand in the last few weeks on this rifle and I'm getting a little tired of spending. I don't want to spend another 500 bucks on a trimmer.
Does that Lyman xpress trim work with this short caliber?
Good call.They were the first people I called because I have the 223 and 308 but unfortunately they said they don't make it for 6 dasher because the case is to short
Yeah definitely, I have 300 new alpha brass. I just want to be prepared for when the time comes. I think a trimmer is the last thing I need for this new caliber. I got the 105 berger hybrids to start with.
I also contacted them for cutter for dasher and bra, they said they do not make them. So what version are you using?Good call.
That's strange, given they have a cutterhead for 6mm/6Dasher...falsely assumed you could adjust it to still index off the shoulder and the two-tenths difference in length between .223 and Dasher wouldn't matter. Good to know, though!
I retired my Giraud and moved to a Henderson, but I meant they make cutterheads for Dasher for the regular Giraud, so didn't think it would be an issue for the Triway because the case isn't THAT much shorter than a .223...seems they could even shave down the 'shroud' 3 thou and make it work. Strange.I also contacted them for cutter for dasher and bra, they said they do not make them. So what version are you using?
I just caught this, I’ve been using Lapua brass for years and never had a problem. I fireform it with Bullseye and a tuff of polyester pillow ticking. I bought some Peterson, had to turn the necks since my throat is .2704 no turn Lapua Blue Box. I found the same issues, ejector marks with moderate loads and they needed two firings to expand to my chamber.Concerning your pressure signs, I recently fire formed 200 peices of Peterson Dasher and had the same issue at the beginning. I was getting ejector marks with 29.5 gr of Varget and a 105bthp @ 2750 ish FPS…
Yeah, my virgin Peterson is Around .011 short in my chamber. I either have to jam the bullets hard or hydro form the shoulders forward. Which defeats the purpose of factory brass.I just caught this, I’ve been using Lapua brass for years and never had a problem. I fireform it with Bullseye and a tuff of polyester pillow ticking. I bought some Peterson, had to turn the necks since my throat is .2704 no turn Lapua Blue Box. I found the same issues, ejector marks with moderate loads and they needed two firings to expand to my chamber.
I’ll use them, but never again. Too much work. Lapua just fits the bill.
I have about 400 pcs of Lapua brass that has 9-10 firings on it and has never been annealed. I'm sure they are reaching the end of their life but they still shoot a 4.5 SD over 24 shots at the muzzle with a 9.4 SD at 500 yds. Attached is my price per round calc with todays prices.New to 6 Dasher, what does is the cost to reload it with brass and how many reloads do you typically get out of the brass? I understand the bullet choice and when you buy etc will have an impact but assuming you buy powder/bullets/cases etc today.
I mostly run Lapua, .257 mandrel too, then slowly size the neck back to .243 to give me a false shoulder tight fit. I add Bullseye powder to the case and hold it in place with some polyester pillow fluff. Put the rifle in my cleaning rest at the range and run sets of ten shots followed by a patch to clean out the fouling. I’ll do 200 cases at a time. I get a case that is probably 85% formed. A standard Dasher load was next, usually at a 300 yd match.I've been running Alpha brass and have had no issues. However the tinkerer in me decided to fireform some Lapua brass to try out
I went with the false shoulder technique and results were great and the process is easy…
0.257" false shoulder. Ran a mandrel through the brass. Backed out my already setup sizing die on my Dillon 550 1 turn. With the Armanov tool head this is repeatable due to the floating die…