Accuracy International Picture Thread

[samb300]

I hope everyone now worries that whenever they have a single flier, maybe it's because they didn't torque their quick loc screw to exactly 54.3 in-lbs using a calibrated Snap On digital torque wrench.

"It's definitely not YOU, it's THE SCREW"

Funny, I've never worried about action screws or quick loc screw torque...

 

[Bart Weemaels]

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First time painting a rifle. Pretty happy with it. I'll need more practice in the future. Rifle is being prepped for an upcoming course.

Very nice setup ! and great color. Just one question, why are you using the red dot on top of scope for ?

 

[hafejd30]

I hope everyone now worries that whenever they have a single flier, maybe it's because they didn't torque their quick loc screw to exactly 54.3 in-lbs using a calibrated Snap On digital torque wrench.

"It's definitely not YOU, it's THE SCREW"

Funny, I've never worried about action screws or quick loc screw torque...

The quickloc isn’t as big of a deal. But like what happened to the guy above. Paying/traveling to a match or hunt/range day whatever can take a sour turn if the action screws come loose. His isn’t the first time we’ve seen the issue with them either so it’s worth the discussion on how to address I think

To be fair many have had the same thing happen on MPA and MDT chassis as well. Not just an AI thing obviously but wasn’t an issue with the bonded guns. The kicker is what it takes to check the torque on the ATX screws during a match

You must remember,

This is the Hide

We buy super expensive stuff, then identify a problem that occurs in 1/1000 samples, make a big deal of it, find a way to modify it, everyone buys or makes the correction

Then we sell it two days later and start the process over with something else

 

[ThatHKMarksman]

Very nice setup ! and great color. Just one question, why are you using the red dot on top of scope for ?

Rapid target engagement for indexing. It's faster than turning down the focus on the optic and makes dropping into the optic faster. You can't hit what you can't see.

 

[samb300]

The quickloc isn’t as big of a deal. But like what happened to the guy above. Paying/traveling to a match or hunt/range day whatever can take a sour turn if the action screws come loose. His isn’t the first time we’ve seen the issue with them either so it’s worth the discussion on how to address I think

To be fair many have had the same thing happen on MPA and MDT chassis as well. Not just an AI thing obviously but wasn’t an issue with the bonded guns. The kicker is what it takes to check the torque on the ATX screws during a match

You must remember,

This is the Hide

We buy super expensive stuff, then identify a problem that occurs in 1/1000 samples, make a big deal of it, find a way to modify it, everyone buys or makes the correction

Then we sell it two days later and start the process over with something else

Agreed, and any time a gear issue affects a match result it's frustrating.

I wonder why the current action screws are only 35 in-lb. I use 55 in-lb for all 4 action screws on the AT/AX/AO, which has the small diameter rear screws (near the trigger guard) and standard diameter screws at the recoil lug.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I ripped mine down and loctite it in about 15 minutes. Had it all back together and ready to rock.

My gripes are I don’t want to have to do that just to check the action screws. It’s a PITA and you’ll definitely want to confirm zero after. I’m beginning load developing with mine currently so I’m ok with doing this to ensure it stays put and would rather make changes now than after finding a load.

Pending I keep the gun if my screws start rusting I’ll get the OD green paint out and turn that elite sand into elite grass in a few minutes. Not problem solved but for sure not caring about a rusty screw head after that

I’ll be perfectly honest here and may get flamed for it.

After owning 3 AI models now 2014 AT, 2022 ATX and 2013 AXMC I’m learning a lot and developing preferences

To me the old school bonded AI like the AW/AT/AX are my preference. I really want to like this ATX and it’s definitely setup more for “gaming” like prs and modern styles of shooting. But I don’t shoot prs. For my style the AW/AT thumbhole are the holy grail

I think the ATX personally is kind of a crap weapon. (This is where you start flinging poo)

There’s should be no reason why a new model AI should be backwards from is predecessor. The ATX to me feels like someone sat down and came up with a solution to guys wanting a $7000 rifle for $3500. Maybe the new XC bonded will be the ticket but that’s only LE/MIL available to my knowledge

There’s no reason the ATX chassis should ever need the action screws checked regularly. There no excuses whatsoever for why the bolt lift is so stiff on the ATX. This is a gun that’s designed to be shot of props. For that use the forend vs the AX is a winner. The trigger is an absolute winner. Then you take it right in the shorts on the follow up shot. That bolt lift (I’m not whining just pointing it out) destroys the whole system on follow up shots

I sold my AXMC due to ergonomics. But I feel I could put up with ergonomics now and do have a touch of remorse wishing I had the AXMC yet

If this ATX turns into an absolute hammer and the blue loctite holds (which I’m sure it will) this will be a great rifle. The minute I loose confidence in it I’ll sell it and get another AT or AXMC. Or build a custom like an impact/MDT/trigger tech setup.

I love love love my AT. I just wish AI would stay in the lane of being military/LE rifles that are available to civilians. Not venturing into gaming guns. They went for the prs market. In my opinion came up short. Then eliminate the rifles they’ve been known for.

Now you have the option of the ATXC and AXSR. Which you bring to shot show saying the action is so much better. Then leave the fucking bolt out of it. Hello!!!!! AI? You increased the price to $7000 then left out the one thing everyone wants to know if it’s changed. Piss poor marketing.

They tell you it’s better. Leave the bolt out. Then tell you the current ATX is machined so well it doesn’t need bonding. Then they add 2 more screws to the action and bond the rifles meant for hard use like the MIL/LE version.

Rant over. But AI,

We want

1) AT with a thumbhole
2) ATXC MIL/LE version
3) AXSR in MIL/LE version
4) ATM with thumbhole (300/338 variants)

Make those three models available and go back to whatever the difference is between my 14 AT and 22 ATX and make the bolt feel like that again

What would an AXSR Mil/LE even be though?

 

[hafejd30]

Agreed, and any time a gear issue affects a match result it's frustrating.

I wonder why the current action screws are only 35 in-lb. I use 55 in-lb for all 4 action screws on the AT/AX/AO, which has the small diameter rear screws (near the trigger guard) and standard diameter screws at the recoil lug.

My guess would be the chassis design more than the action. But just a guess. Maybe 55 messes up the chassis. Otherwise should be the same screws?

Throw it in a vision/folding thumbhole/bonded?

 

[samb300]

Same as it is now. In identical fashion as the new atxc will come. But beefed up chassis where it’s bonded. Then bonded

You've heard that new mil rifle variants are bonded?

 

[hafejd30]

You've heard that new mil rifle variants are bonded?

I thought it was discussed here before about them being bonded. But I can’t find it. I’m probably incorrect in that statement

But to his question I think it be cool if they bonded the ATXC and AXSR. Just peace of mind if nothing else.

Has anyone ever seen the AXSR action screws loosen up?

Just looking at the pdf it seems these have an extra screw but also torqued to 53 inch lbs vs 35 on the ATX

Maybe the 4 screw ATX can be torqued to 53 inch lbs as well?? Someone from AI could probably answer why it’s 35 lbs as I’m sure it was left that low for a reason

 

[hafejd30]

What would an AXSR Mil/LE even be though?

Sorry deleted my original response. The AXSR in current configuration is excellent.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Sorry deleted my original response. The AXSR in current configuration is excellent.

Especially when it’s an Elite Sand AXSR

 

[taliv]

What would an AXSR Mil/LE even be though?

Bonded

And come with a TBAC SR brake instead of fat bastard.

And ES underneath the Sage green krylon.

 

[Criver600]

Both action screws and epoxy bonding were meant to be a failsafe method one backing the other. The epoxy was Magic 2 part grey.
I took my Accuracy International Armourers course at the original AI factory from Neal Braisher.
Blue loctite and proper torque will take care of your AT-X

 

[hafejd30]

Both action screws and epoxy bonding were meant to be a failsafe method one backing the other. The epoxy was Magic 2 part grey.
I took my Accuracy International Armourers course at the original AI factory from Neal Braisher.
Blue loctite and proper torque will take care of your AT-X

Thank you sir

 

[M8541Reaper]

Bonded

And come with a TBAC SR brake instead of fat bastard.

And ES underneath the Sage green krylon.

That would be nice…
Thinking of keeping the ES as the base and using a light sage green and PB rattle pattern over it this winter.

 

[Nik H]

So what is the specified torque spec for the AXSR action screws? I can't find it in any of the manuals.

 

[hafejd30]

So what is the specified torque spec for the AXSR action screws? I can't find it in any of the manuals.

Page 49

53 inch lbs

It even tells you to check them periodically

https://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/AI/AXSR-Manual.pdf

 

[Nik H]

Page 49

53 inch lbs

It even tells you to check them periodically

https://www.eurooptic.com/PDF/AI/AXSR-Manual.pdf

Thanks

I didn't know this existed in electronic form. However, p10 says 49 in-pounds and p49 says 53 in-pounds. Which is it? Do you use blue Loctite?

My AXMC manual doesn't talk about action screws...probably because it is bonded.

 

[vh20]

That would be nice…
Thinking of keeping the ES as the base and using a light sage green and PB rattle pattern over it this winter.

Heretic

 

[hafejd30]

Thanks

I didn't know this existed in electronic form. However, p10 says 49 in-pounds and p49 says 53 in-pounds. Which is it? Do you use blue Loctite?

My AXMC manual doesn't talk about action screws...probably because it is bonded.

I don’t have an AXSR

Just found it for you as I looked it up earlier to

 

[Nik H]

I don’t have an AXSR

Just found it for you as I looked it up earlier to

Thank you!

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

I use my Snap-On torque wrench which I calibrate annually. In the field I use torque limiters that are not calibrated

That is exactly what i use. I have 6 tq wrenches because of my job and the digital snap on wrench i have is very very accurate.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

I hope everyone now worries that whenever they have a single flier, maybe it's because they didn't torque their quick loc screw to exactly 54.3 in-lbs using a calibrated Snap On digital torque wrench.

"It's definitely not YOU, it's THE SCREW"

Funny, I've never worried about action screws or quick loc screw torque...

I see what you are saying, although you could have grown up balls and not hide behind sarcasm; we get it.

At 800 rds my rear action screw was loose. When i purchased the rifle new i assumed it was good to go and kept shooting it. First give away was the barrel tilting towards left ever so slightly. I thought the tq was off and no it was not. I had to take the rifle apart to find out the read left action screw was loose. I did tq everything with 243 locktite applied and shot the rifle next day and had the best group i ever had with it. I never made a fuss about it till it was mentioned here. I am cool with it and will move on.

There is nothing wrong about being tedious. A tedious person can also be a phenomenal shooter simultaneously.

Hafejd has very valid points with at-x including the bolt and overall. Some i do not agree but it is a good conversation.

(I love my at-x)

 

[samb300]

I see what you are saying, although you could have grown up balls and not hide behind sarcasm; we get it.

At 800 rds my rear action screw was loose. When i purchased the rifle new i assumed it was good to go and kept shooting it. First give away was the barrel tilting towards left ever so slightly. I thought the tq was off and no it was not. I had to take the rifle apart to find out the read left action screw was loose. I did tq everything with 243 locktite applied and shot the rifle next day and had the best group i ever had with it. I never made a fuss about it till it was mentioned here. I am cool with it and will move on.

There is nothing wrong about being tedious. A tedious person can also be a phenomenal shooter simultaneously.

Hafejd has very valid points with at-x including the bolt and overall. Some i do not agree but it is a good conversation.

(I love my at-x)

Who said I was being sarcastic? Clearly I struck a nerve with you and your Snap On torque wrenches.

If you’d like to have a very serious and very grown up conversation on AI stuff let me know, otherwise I’ll be over here not worrying about the torque on my bonded rifle.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I’m just here to watch torque limiters kiss under the tripod shelf.

 

[samb300]

I’m just here to watch torque limiters kiss under the tripod shelf.
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My Fix It Stick limiter is definitely the bottom to big daddy Snap On.

The Wheeler fat wrench sits in the cuck chair and watches.

 

[M8541Reaper]

My Fix It Stick limiter is definitely the bottom to big daddy Snap On.

The Wheeler fat wrench sits in the cuck chair and watches.

The holiday inn express cuck chair no less

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

Who said I was being sarcastic? Clearly I struck a nerve with you and your Snap On torque wrenches.

If you’d like to have a very serious and very grown up conversation on AI stuff let me know, otherwise I’ll be over here not worrying about the torque on my bonded rifle.

lol

 

[Huskydriver]

What would an AXSR Mil/LE even be though?

He spelled axmc wrong... Peak ai with a thumbhole...

#bonded
#actionscrewsdontcomeloose
#3positionsaftey

 

[Huskydriver]

You've heard that new mil rifle variants are bonded?

 

[M8541Reaper]

He spelled axmc wrong... Peak ai with a thumbhole...

#bonded
#actionscrewsdontcomeloose
#3positionsaftey

I said it a million times…elite sand/black thumbhole AXMC-LE is peak

 

[mercracing]

Hashtag
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[Huskydriver]

Hashtag
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[JayjayUK]

A little update on my AI AT .308



It's come a long way since the Elite Sand Thumbhole. It knows that it was born in Elite Sand and therefore is still better than all other AIs

 

[Vivacious Stallion]

Is it just optic illusion, or is the optic touching the forend bridge ?

Its very close, but there is probably 3-4 mm of gap between the sunshade/scope cap and the forend rail. If I change mounts on that rifle, I would like to get a 1.7" 20 moa mount to give it some additional room. The current mount is a 1.5" 20 moa.

 

[jps24]

Hey all,

I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction for custom made barrels for the post-2014 AI AXMC? I have a long action currently with a 6.5CM barrel, but was looking at the possibility of a 6.5 x 47 or 25 x 47 Lapua barrel if those are possible.

Thanks.

 

[Huskydriver]

Hey all,

I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction for custom made barrels for the post-2014 AI AXMC? I have a long action currently with a 6.5CM barrel, but was looking at the possibility of a 6.5 x 47 or 25 x 47 Lapua barrel if those are possible.

Thanks.

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Bugholes

 

[Nik H]

Hey all,

I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction for custom made barrels for the post-2014 AI AXMC? I have a long action currently with a 6.5CM barrel, but was looking at the possibility of a 6.5 x 47 or 25 x 47 Lapua barrel if those are possible.

Thanks.

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Lots of great smiths out there. Fritz at Black Canyon has made AI barrels for my AT and MC. I would highly recommend his work.

The hardest part is getting a blank. The 1.35" shank is tough to find. I have a new 308 barrel being done by Dave Tooley for my MC and he said 6 months to get the blank.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

Lots of great smiths out there. Fritz at Black Canyon has made AI barrels for my AT and MC. I would highly recommend his work.

The hardest part is getting a blank. The 1.35" shank is tough to find. I have a new 308 barrel being done by Dave Tooley for my MC and he said 6 months to get the blank.

@Nik H where are your to go places for blanks?

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

Does AI make a straight buttstock pad as opposed to the curved one?

 

[Nik H]

@Nik H where are your to go places for blanks?

No place in particular. I buy them whenever I see them as long as they are Kreiger, PROOF SS or Bartlein Heavy contour in the right twist.

 

[carbonbased]

Does AI make a straight buttstock pad as opposed to the curved one?

Not sure. But Frank rotates the factory one 180° because it’s more comfy to him.

Competent gunsmiths grind/buff oversize pads to fit wood stocks, so I’ll bet they could also grind down an AI one to your specs.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

Not sure. But Frank rotates the factory one 180° because it’s more comfy to him.

Competent gunsmiths grind/buff oversize pads to fit wood stocks, so I’ll bet they could also grind down an AI one to your specs.

So do I. If i cant find anything i will resort to shaving it straight

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

 

[BurtG]

Finally able to knock the rust off. Rust is thick. $75 barrel should be a hammer with someone that can shoot behind it.

 

[TheBigCountry]

Finally able to knock the rust off. Rust is thick. $75 barrel should be a hammer with someone that can shoot behind it.

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[BurtG]

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What’s that side rail for ?

Where’s your bag rider ? Where’s your sling mount ?

 

[BurtG]

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What’s the side rail for ?

Where’s your bag rider? Where’s your sling mount ?

 

[BurtG]

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Freaking Lollipop Guild killing me with Discourage

I thought they were a more joyous people

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

What’s the side rail for ?

Where’s your bag rider? Where’s your sling mount ?

That side rail has sling mount; i did not use a bag rider today. Had a sotek one that i was not too found off. With a schmedium heavy and short atlas i made it work.