Active Shooter at Fort Stewart
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5 shot, condition unknown:
So, a couple hours after the fact, we know it was an active duty, male, SSG. Any guesses on the rest of the details? Seems like they let out all the important information.
Will this finally be enough to let us carry on base?
Will this finally be enough to let us carry on base?
^ I've been retired 7 years, and we (multiple senior SNCOs) carried on base regularly when I was in.
We just didn't tell anyone about it.
Would be nice to have it legal though.
We just didn't tell anyone about it.
Would be nice to have it legal though.
Wait till you got caught by an inspection at the gate. More than a few people had their careers ruined thanks to Clinton disarming Soldiers.^ I've been retired 7 years, and we (multiple senior SNCOs) carried on base regularly when I was in.
We just didn't tell anyone about it.
Would be nice to have it legal though.
In 2016 a rule DoDD made a directive that local commanders could authorize concealed carry. With the emphasis not placed on individual responsibility in our current society, commanders erred on the side of safety for their careers. How soon before we see another FT Hood, Naval Ship yard, Recruiting Station or FT Stewart shooting again, Soldiers were made soft targets by Clinton and kept that way thanks to the weak sauce. Just my .02 aka opinion
Crazy thing is the people at the top, and E7 down, are all on board with common sense. It's the bottom officer ranks that act like middle management and do absolutely nothing productive unless it's covering their ass.
Well... I didn't.
I've had the random check before. Never did anyone ever get wanded. Run the dog through my truck all you want, gun is on ne.
I share your frustration. I just ignore the B.S.
You say that but I have met my share of retards that are enlisted and officers. Being a moron and/or risk adverse is not just an officer thing.
The ones that could authorize CC are not bottom ranks, they are your COL and above levels that have political aspirations. Just my opinion aka .02
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There was a Major with a CCW that forgot to secure his pistol when coming onto post at Fort Leavenworth. At the gate he realized that he forgot he had his pistol on him and without being asked he apologized to the gate guard and said that he has a CCW and asked if he could put the pistol away. He was detained and was quickly removed from the military. For him, honesty didn't pay.Well... I didn't.
I've had the random check before. Never did anyone ever get wanded. Run the dog through my truck all you want, gun is on ne.
I share your frustration. I just ignore the B.S.
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The directive has been around almost a decade but almost zero base commanders allow it.
All uniform soldiers should carry if they wish. It would make the security posture of all installations as well as military personal much more secure.
If you cant be trusted to carry a loaded gun stateside, you cant be trusted to wear the uniform.
All uniform soldiers should carry if they wish. It would make the security posture of all installations as well as military personal much more secure.
If you cant be trusted to carry a loaded gun stateside, you cant be trusted to wear the uniform.
5 wounded now being reported. (First report I saw had 4 dead). Now upgraded
My first reaction was "Tranny or similar Rump Ranger... "
My second reaction was "Amish."
Well here ya go!
Sirhr
My first reaction was "Tranny or similar Rump Ranger... "
My second reaction was "Amish."
Well here ya go!
Sirhr
It's not their responsibility. It's the responsibility of the individual carrying the gun, just like in normal life.
Well, there's your problem. He can't even spell Cornelius the right way.
Quornelius Radford,...got called "Corny" one too many times.
Active duty military is as close to a socialist society as we have anywhere in America. They tell you where you will live, what job you will have, what you can and can’t say and that drills down to minute details of your life in many aspects. Free room and board, unlimited medical, guaranteed paycheck first and fifteenth. In return they get institutionalized warriors used to following every order to the word, at the sacrifice of many Constitutional protections where failure to obey is a criminal offense and no, you can’t quit until your years long contract is up. A necessary evil to institute discipline, but military society is anything but freedom based.
Commanders are control happy, and the older they are and longer they’ve lived in that anti-freedom environment the less likely they are to allow anything similar to regular society. Sad they keep getting taught the same lesson, and shameful they preach run-hide on base.
This shooter would get the infamous words from my old Platoon Sergeant, a cowboy boots and hat wearing Black Texan: “Punks like you give my race a bad name…”. That Marine was fucking awesome.
Commanders are control happy, and the older they are and longer they’ve lived in that anti-freedom environment the less likely they are to allow anything similar to regular society. Sad they keep getting taught the same lesson, and shameful they preach run-hide on base.
This shooter would get the infamous words from my old Platoon Sergeant, a cowboy boots and hat wearing Black Texan: “Punks like you give my race a bad name…”. That Marine was fucking awesome.
He was probably one of the ones that had to have someone next to him shooting at the very end of qualification... miraculously his score suddenly jumped just high enough everyone else could go home.
Personally I think this sort of thing should be considered an act of treason. You turn your rifle on your own men and it's not to stop some messed up war crime type crap... nah... you done messed up, firing squad, take aim!
Thankful that he sucked and everyone is alive.
And yes, this dude needs shot by a firing squad in the middle of the base on a Friday, and everyone gets off early to be able to witness.
And yes, this dude needs shot by a firing squad in the middle of the base on a Friday, and everyone gets off early to be able to witness.
Not sure if it’s still allowed, but before I left the panhandle, you could carry loaded firearms through the gates on Hurlburt Field if you were assigned, retired LEO or a member of the rifle/pistol club. Had to leave it in your vehicle, but at least I didn’t have to stop, download and stow before entering.
Don’t drive 10 miles east and try that at Eglin.
Yeah, that's because the Hurlburt commander is AFSOC and didn't want to deal with the paperwork of all the guys who carried on base already illegally if they got caught.
Our records indicate while an event happened in service, you were treated and complete physical therapy; Our rater determined this was not due to service. Claim Denied.
Fort Stewart Mass Shooter Identified as Army Sergeant Quornelius Radford; Fellow Soldiers Tackled Him "Without Hesitation" - With Dispatch Audio | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
The Fort Stewart mass shooter was identified as 28-year active-duty Army Sergeant Quornelius Radford.
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The fact he was unarmed, the base commander should be charged and stripped of his retirement. Make it hurt where it should.
Fort Stewart Army Base Shooting Raises Questions About Military Gun Policies
A shooting that injured five soldiers at one of the country's largest military bases has resurfaced questions about a long-standing army policy that largely prevents service members from carrying personal weapons on military installations.
Making bases "safer" since 1992.
Department of Defense Directive 5210.66 often blamed on Clinton but brought to you under a Bush administration. Oh those tricky gun loving republicants and their humorous antics.
I would love to see a commander blanketly approve carry on base and see what happens next.
Control Happy? No, having been in leadership positions it sucks getting called to the floor because one of our guys did something stupid.
Personal responsibility is a thing, the military just forgot that and commanders careers are on the line as always (I'm sure that moron shooters CDR will be asked what he did to try and prevent that dumbass from being an active shooter, what his safety briefings look like, what his counseling's looked, what he (the CDR) did to prevent or cause this, etc etc etc etc), that CDR is probably getting the Spanish Inquisition treatment.
I agree, DoD has completely forgotten about personal accountability.
I may have had black on my collar when I was in uniform, but I definitely had my ass chewed plenty of times for a dumbass in my platoon or squad. Why did your Marine get a DUI, why did he bounce a check, why did he pop for coke, BTDT but the acceptable reply is never “You’re the one that sounded liberty call, not me”.
Like my 1stSgt told me, 90% of your time is spent on 10% of your Marines.
But all that is why commanders are control happy, especially at the O-6/E-9 level and up. Company grade and their enlisted leaders try to push responsibility lower, expect a level of individual professionalism, then one shit head fucks up and Division comes down with a new fucking rule and we were the ones expected to enforce it.
There’s good reason why I left after 14 years and went private. Years later my good decision to leave the suck was reaffirmed. I was at FOB Leatherneck in Helmand and watched an obvious pogue SgtMaj jump a grunt Corporal’s shit for not having a fresh haircut, he had just been medevac’d the day before for TBI observation after getting blown yet again, his nickname was Shit Magnet. But haircuts win wars…
So yep, the more control happy the longer they’ve been in.
And the only answer is, “No excuse, sir.”
The 90/10 rule is probably the only absolute there is.
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