I hunted all around that course, and around the impact area. My property touched area 40, close to Hatch stage field, had the chinooks flying over my house. I live out in rural Coffee Co now.
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That was the best course I have ever been to in the Army. It sucked while I was in it but it was all worth it! I celebrated my birthday there as the SRO
Wow, you’re lockstep party lines eh?
Yeah I voted for Trump twice, sorry your pre canned shit doesn’t apply.
And did stuff more dangerous than many MOSs, just had better paying options that I found more inline with my values and giving back to my community
To each their own, it would also be interesting to see a risk list comparing mil MOS to private sector risk management wise, it’s always mil and LE who scream about valor and honor and how they don’t know if they’ll make it home, never loggers or construction or pilots etc, when I hear “you weren’t brave enough” from a fucking Air Force plumber …
Everyone makes choices and not everyone likes the same thing, and that’s a good thing
Let me guess, you worked the overnight shift at a 7-11 while in community college? I couldn't hear the rest with your gargling Biden balls.
Are loggers bravely fighting off an invasion of trees in your special world? Your miserably low I.Q. is being used to its limits with these stupid equivocations. I bet you think that a call to 911 will get you a logging truck in an emergency.
In your mind, a policeman trying to stop a murderer is the equivalent to a construction worker not using proper PPE and getting hurt at work? That is some of the finest fucktard logic I've ever read. I really like the part where you feel you are equal to a SF troop or a SEAL in your job at mall security, bail hunting or maybe casino security?
"Party lines" of what party? That is the mystery to all of us who served. Your stories of near glory will always be a favorite of veterans and cops alike, there is nothing quite as special as meeting a mall cop Rambo who was just to intelligent or skilled in combat arms to bother with the regular military. How dangerous was your last tour of Uber Eats deliveries?
Let me guess, you took a test before joining the military and they discovered you had "special skills", you became an assassin and killed the president of Paraguay with a fork? Then at your 10th high school reunion, all was revealed.
Not one single actual veteran here has belittled loggers, pilots, construction workers or said they were less than capable at whatever they do. Many of those jobs are filled with veterans as well. The two last "air force plumbers" I worked with were a former Army Ranger and a guy who drove gun trucks in Vietnam as an 18y/o Army private. You are the equal to a zit on either of their asses.
Let me guess, you worked the overnight shift at a 7-11 while in community college? I couldn't hear the rest with your gargling Biden balls.
Are loggers bravely fighting off an invasion of trees in your special world? Your miserably low I.Q. is being used to its limits with these stupid equivocations. I bet you think that a call to 911 will get you a logging truck in an emergency.
In your mind, a policeman trying to stop a murderer is the equivalent to a construction worker not using proper PPE and getting hurt at work? That is some of the finest fucktard logic I've ever read. I really like the part where you feel you are equal to a SF troop or a SEAL in your job at mall security, bail hunting or maybe casino security?
"Party lines" of what party? That is the mystery to all of us who served. Your stories of near glory will always be a favorite of veterans and cops alike, there is nothing quite as special as meeting a mall cop Rambo who was just to intelligent or skilled in combat arms to bother with the regular military. How dangerous was your last tour of Uber Eats deliveries?
Let me guess, you took a test before joining the military and they discovered you had "special skills", you became an assassin and killed the president of Paraguay with a fork? Then at your 10th high school reunion, all was revealed.
Not one single actual veteran here has belittled loggers, pilots, construction workers or said they were less than capable at whatever they do. Many of those jobs are filled with veterans as well. The two last "air force plumbers" I worked with were a former Army Ranger and a guy who drove gun trucks in Vietnam as an 18y/o Army private. You are the equal to a zit on either of their asses.
7/11 uhh no
When’s the last time the US fought off a invasion on US soil?
I’ve seen more police writing traffic tickets, doing covid BS than going after victimizers, or have you been asleep for the last two years to smile and wave to antifa and Burn Loot Murder?
Party lines like if I don’t worship mil I must have voted for biden
Uhh, special skills, you need to get your head shrunk, I don’t even know how to respond to that cluttered thought
Never said they did, I said it’s mil and LEO who are always crying like a bitch, along with state school “teachers”, about how important they are and how much they give and blah blah blah.
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” Thatcher
I thought this while watching UNTIL…..he said she was a VA Social worker…..then I wondered… was she a cool one that hooked up veterans with services or one of those fucks who acts like any benefits awarded to others take from her.
If the latter…..this could run deep. I’ve seen HIDVASH social workers be the one to determine if a veteran gets transitional housing or not.
And if she was a cool one who handed out the homie hookup….damn. That’s gone.
Now you are drifting off into nonsensical bullshit.
Nobody in the military cares what you think..................................................much like the rest of the earth.
Valor comes AFTER the "task" is done, not before. Valor is the unexpected actions of one's inner self that cannot be "trained".
For people who have never served their country there's always going to be unending questions and statements about Valor. Cause you cannot commit yourself to that level of service to your fellow human. You will never understand Valor, nor have the strength to commit to an undetermined journey that leads to Valor.
Sure my DD214 and medal citations give me recognition for Valor.....twice. At the time I never really understood the true "value" of having a Valor device ( V ) as part of a medal citation. It was just something to else to wear on my uniform. Didn't really think anything of it.
Fast forward 10+ years after my service.....I get it now. I don't throw it around at the bar, I don't have it on my vehicle. I keep it right next to my heart. Valor is mine, and mine alone.
When some 'tard decides to wear a V device (or other service medal), using it for some sort of profit making......well.....Stand The Fuck By...as we used to say.
To those who have truly served I'm beside you, I will always have your back.
For people who have never served their country there's always going to be unending questions and statements about Valor. Cause you cannot commit yourself to that level of service to your fellow human. You will never understand Valor, nor have the strength to commit to an undetermined journey that leads to Valor.
Sure my DD214 and medal citations give me recognition for Valor.....twice. At the time I never really understood the true "value" of having a Valor device ( V ) as part of a medal citation. It was just something to else to wear on my uniform. Didn't really think anything of it.
Fast forward 10+ years after my service.....I get it now. I don't throw it around at the bar, I don't have it on my vehicle. I keep it right next to my heart. Valor is mine, and mine alone.
When some 'tard decides to wear a V device (or other service medal), using it for some sort of profit making......well.....Stand The Fuck By...as we used to say.
To those who have truly served I'm beside you, I will always have your back.
And no one cares what you think, or PFC Bob, there are like 330M just in the US alone, you or I aren’t even a rounding error, yet here we are.
Yet it’s only a thing for soldiers fighting politicians wars, never for anyone stateside who’s actively protecting or saving mainstreet.
Yet it's the only thing for First Responders fighting politician's wars, never for anyone in their state who's actively protecting or saving mainstreet.
Interesting
So a roofer doing roofs for charity I’d theorize is doing more for mainstreet as well as having a higher chance of death, where are the laws that make it illegal to wear a roofing company shirt if you’re not a roofer?
No YouTube videos of roofers talking about all their dead friends, videos of roofers yelling at people who have a roofing hammer in their tool belt?
I fully support a military that’s actually protecting the nation vs poorly nation building, and I think all fraud that has a real victim should be gone after, but this mil hero worship is getting out of hand.
So a roofer doing roofs for charity I’d theorize is doing more for mainstreet as well as having a higher chance of death, where are the laws that make it illegal to wear a roofing company shirt if you’re not a roofer?
No YouTube videos of roofers talking about all their dead friends, videos of roofers yelling at people who have a roofing hammer in their tool belt?
I fully support a military that’s actually protecting the nation vs poorly nation building, and I think all fraud that has a real victim should be gone after, but this mil hero worship is getting out of hand.
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LEO claiming Valor award.....I think we need to give him a pass.
www.nbcnews.com
Just another bum posing as a Veteran....was posing as a dead LEO before.....but we need to let that slide.
www.mcall.com
LEO claiming military service SHOULD be holding office.....we need to give him a pass.
ktxs.com
Vet AND LEO w/faked Purple Heart....Well if we just lowered taxes he wouldn't have done this
https://www.tribuneledgernews.com/l...cle_69a9d8e4-a898-11e7-b1bd-bf19c8ebdc0f.html
LEOs using "military ribbons" as LEO award or citations.......Nothing wrong with saving a few bucks for the department.
Police are allowed to lie during interrogations...Why can't they lie about military service....Police Chief needs a job too
Alabama officer faked being shot in a bid for 'stolen valor,' police say
Birmingham police will seek criminal charges against the seven-year veteran, saying he staged a shooting "to present a false image of heroism."
www.nbcnews.com Just another bum posing as a Veteran....was posing as a dead LEO before.....but we need to let that slide.
Man at center of Stolen Valor case once impersonated dead cop
A Philadelphia man apparently likes dressing up in uniforms. Last week, he was wearing Army fatigues at the Oxford Valley Mall in Middletown when he was confronted by an Army veteran who suspected …
www.mcall.com LEO claiming military service SHOULD be holding office.....we need to give him a pass.
Ex-Callahan Co. Chief Deputy withdraws nomination for sheriff amid stolen valor allegation
Former Callahan County Chief Deputy Rick Jowers has withdrawn his nomination for sheriff. Jowers handed in paperwork Thursday afternoon to the Callahan County Republican Party chairman. He won the republican nomination on Tuesday. Jowers and former Clyde police officer Leroy Foley both resigned...
ktxs.com Vet AND LEO w/faked Purple Heart....Well if we just lowered taxes he wouldn't have done this
https://www.tribuneledgernews.com/l...cle_69a9d8e4-a898-11e7-b1bd-bf19c8ebdc0f.html
LEOs using "military ribbons" as LEO award or citations.......Nothing wrong with saving a few bucks for the department.
Police are allowed to lie during interrogations...Why can't they lie about military service....Police Chief needs a job too
Jeff Treu Investigated For Stolen Valor, Resigns As Police Chief
An Antelope County man — who until last week also served as the Wisner Chief of Police — is under investigation after allegedly falsifying his military career. Jeff Treu’s resignation as...
www.myantelopecountynews.com
This is Mental Illness
This is Stolen Valor
U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal (D) CT
This is Stolen Valor
U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal (D) CT
With Valor comes service to the Nation with honor and dignity that NO ONE can tarnish:
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Another example of how statistical data can be skewed to be in favor of any argument. That bottom chart clearly stated the military rank used was E4. IF AND IF we only use the Army, that chart accounts for only 24% of service members. That is in 2022 numbers so 24% is probably higher than the average from the charts you used. NowInteresting
So a roofer doing roofs for charity I’d theorize is doing more for mainstreet as well as having a higher chance of death, where are the laws that make it illegal to wear a roofing company shirt if you’re not a roofer?
No YouTube videos of roofers talking about all their dead friends, videos of roofers yelling at people who have a roofing hammer in their tool belt?
I fully support a military that’s actually protecting the nation vs poorly nation building, and I think all fraud that has a real victim should be gone after, but this mil hero worship is getting out of hand.
Using that chart and the logic you agree with because you used that chart. We should start subtracting numbers from the other groups based on service time and experience and see how that reflects.
Yeah I don’t get using E4, frankly if you die after 1mo in the field or 10years, you’re just as dead.
Why is kicking doors in afgan or Iraq more honorable than say fixing a old ladies roof?
Fixing her roof makes the other close properties worth more, makes her quality of life better, kicking doors in Iraq helps mainstreet how?
Does “serving your nation” mean serving the politicians, or serving mainstreet?
That’s a 208 you’re jumping?
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First, I'd like to say, I'm not a veteran. However, I am a freedom loving, patriotic American. That being said, there is huge difference between roofing and serving in the Uncle Sam's military, especially on foreign soil, while being shot at. The difference is that the soldier is fighting to preserve American's liberty. What you don't understand, or believe is that American soldiers fight over there, so we don't have to fight here at home. We do not wait until the enemy invades our beaches, or launches strikes on our cities, or destroys our infrastructure. Frankly, liberty is more important than a roof, or property value, or present quality of life. Without liberty, there is no hope for a better life. You don't understand that it is about LIBERTY! So yes, when someone lives a facade of being a "Keeper of Liberty", an American soldier, but it is a lie, it is a serious offense, especially when they not only get their jollies, but monetary and material gain, also. These fraudulent people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
To the veterans on the Hide, thank you for defending our Liberty!
So if we didn’t invade Iraq and afgan they would have sailed their navy over…oh wait, or flew their long range strategic bombers…never mind, so what were they going to swim their goats over to the US? I know the Toyota hikux is great, but don’t think it’ll float that far.
I agree about the fraud, if they are using fake 214s to get a charity house, or taking a soldiers identity, they need to be in a cage.
But per protecting the US, these days it’s hard for that to carry water, I think priorities are about protecting someone other than mainstreet.
Contrast this
With this
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No, they would fly more jumbos into tall buildings, power plants, hospitals and God only knows what else. I think you are very naive about the power of will, specifically, the will of our enemies to destroy us. These enemes won't strike where we are strongest and most defended. Just because they don't have capability of landing on our beaches and air striking our cities and bases, doesn't mean they can't hurt us. I've studied the middle east and their history in college and passively over the years. They don't negotiate, or understand anything but extreme violence and death. But, we're not talking about bureaucracies and hidden agendas. We're talking about the heart of the American soldier and his/her motives. I told you the difference between them and a roofer, in plain English, but you just don't get it.So if we didn’t invade Iraq and afgan they would have sailed their navy over…oh wait, or flew their long range strategic bombers…never mind, so what were they going to swim their goats over to the US? I know the Toyota hikux is great, but don’t think it’ll float that far.
I agree about the fraud, if they are using fake 214s to get a charity house, or taking a soldiers identity, they need to be in a cage.
But per protecting the US, these days it’s hard for that to carry water, I think priorities are about protecting someone other than mainstreet.
Contrast this
With this
The people who 7700ed those jets were which countries again?
How am I “ignorant”. What did I say that was untrue?
Also you mention china and Russia, our commander and chief is on the chicom pay roll, and we let Russia do whatever the fuck they want. So
You didn’t answer my question.
Also funny, tons more were killed by the proven and obvious chinese engineered wuhan flu, yet they are hosting the Olympics right now.
The military these days is more likely to use force against mainstreet Americans than the chinese
What “conspiracy theory”?
And I’m damn proud to be a America, I just separate serving America from serving its politicians.
Where did you mention what country the men who hijacked the planes were from?
Plus how many did our actions over there radicalize, oh yeah, didn’t we also leave the Taliban (who we are somehow friends with now) with a huge supply of our military hardware including attack helicopters.
Furthermore there are more ties to the wuhan flu being produced under the direct authority and $$ of china (and the US sadly) than there is connecting the hijackers to state government of Iraq and afgan
Yet we invade and occupy some shithole damn near third world Middle East nations, and send our athletes to compete in the pretty Olympics in china
Our national guard spends more time guarding our political elite than they do securing our nation from hordes trying to get in, because it’s more acceptable to use them to stop Americans than illegals.
A military is needed and important, but what ours has turned into isn’t that.
But I stand by the volunteer roofer having a more dangerous job, and giving back more to the PEOPLE not POLITICIANS of this great nation, than lots of the current military
"We're talking about the heart of the American soldier and his/her motives. I told you the difference between them and a roofer, in plain English, but you just don't get it."
If you do a roof you serve the home owner
If you medevac a man you served the man
Etc etc
No I don’t get it, the question was what country were they from?
It's not the country they are from, or claim. The war is with an ideology and those who give them aid and comfort. Did I really need to say this? I thought it's been obvious.
Ahh ok
But I’m still confused. Saudi Arabia is 98.2% Muslim and was home to 15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers, why didn’t we “shock and awe” them??
Training, didn’t the CIA train osama?
Also lest we follow the piles of main streets hard paid taxes
Commission on Wartime Contracting
Commission on Wartime Contracting (CWC) - an independent, bipartisan legislative commission established to study wartime contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan
It puts the war time patriotism on the peasants, or it doesn’t get the fatty defense contracts in its bank account.
In general, Islam is not an enemy. Radical Islam, willing to attack the USA, is an enemy. Saudi Arabia is often threatened by radical Islam, itself and, generally speaking, is not aiding and comforting radicals, that have the ability and will to attack the USA. If the CIA provided training to Osama bin Laden, it was when he was with the mujahideen, fighting the USSR.
Do I believe there is a Military Industrial Complex, that wishes to keep us, perpetually, in conflict? Yes, I do believe there is evil in the world that perpetuates conflict. But we are in discussion about stolen valor and its validity. I've explained the difference between a roofer and a soldier fighting to preserve Liberty. I don't have all the answers about the agendas of foreign policy, etc. Why don't you get the issue of stolen valor?
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The founding fathers were veterans?
It’s not if the CIA trained him, that’s a fact that they did
We made our own problems on wiling up the crazy inbred Muslims, folks like osama and lots of the other high profile religious and Middle East leaders profited by sending their peasant class to fight the US, and the US politicians and cronies profited sending Tod and Timmy to fight them.
Both sides peasant class troops thought there were doing damn near holy work, some stories never change.
What's this got to do with Stolen Valor? Nothing. You know Stolen Valor is wrong. What do you not understand about the value, honor and sacrifice of the American soldier fighting for our Liberty?
I don’t see how invading Iraq and afgan has shit to do with my liberty, just like blocking Americans from getting near the White House.
Point is this stolen valor military hero worship is not healthy.
Tons of people sacrifice more and do more for mainstreet than the current military, over my lifetime, and none of them have anything like “stolen valor”.
It’s not a real thing.
You got
Fraud: already a crime for any profession or person
Identify theft: same as above
Wearing someone’s work uniform for whatever reason: odd but that’s about it.
We try to make mil into heros with this “stolen valor” reaffirming that image, so their actions… at the orders of politicians, are harder to assail, it’s marketing.
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In his/her heart, was the American soldier, fighting in the middle east, doing so, in defense of Liberty?
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The amount of ridiculousness that people have for people wearing ribbons or medals they did it or did not earn is hilarious. Who the f' cares? Move on, MYOB.
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Washington surely was. Or maybe his street name was “General”?
There's never a free lunch.........never.......never ever.
BTW no one cares about fake doctors, fake dentists, fake flight nurses, fake fire fighters, fake investment managers, fake professors, fake pilots, fake college graduates, fake roofers, fake housing contractors.......everyone has to have a dream.
As long as their real motives are to help their fellow citizens on main street...that's what really counts.
BTW no one cares about fake doctors, fake dentists, fake flight nurses, fake fire fighters, fake investment managers, fake professors, fake pilots, fake college graduates, fake roofers, fake housing contractors.......everyone has to have a dream.
As long as their real motives are to help their fellow citizens on main street...that's what really counts.
You dumb Fucking Troll, look up "French and Indian War", the officers and many men got their training fighting for the British Crown.
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Not everyone is a tip of the spear type. Everyone pokes fun at REMFs, POGs whatever you want to call us behind the frontlines...but, let your wife call you while you're two continents away and tell you your pay deposit hasn't hit the bank and she can't buy groceries. Watch how important that finance puke becomes.
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Oh I know how the roles are played and in what order. I was simply referring to someone’s opinion on roofing being a more dangerous job than military. Figured I’d throw the two together and see how they rated.
There are few cogs in the big wheel that aren’t needed.
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