Bergara B-14R Range Report and Assessment

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I consulted with Bergara before I bought my Carbon. They told me that both were equivalent and the only difference was weight. But I’d like to see results on paper as well. I still need try different types of ammo to see what shoots best for me.
 

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Thanks JaoeyP.
So you think in general the steel barrel is more accurate or the weight of the steel is better for competition, not that the steel is more accurate?
 

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You will be good ether way. Steel barrel shot junk ammo a little better. It’s funny but so far the Carbon does better at 50 and 193 but the steel does better at 100. Not like it’s a big difference but it’s there. Mainly shoot Eley Action 40gr and Action plus 42gr because I have 12k combined. Been saving the match ammo for a RimX I have coming. Easy to find something under 1/2 at 50, 1-1.25 at 100 and under 3in at 200 with budget ammo in both. That’s averages with 1/2 moa or near that Thrown in at all ranges. Not even sure if I have fired any ammo over $4 a box. May have to give them a good scrub and try some Lapua, RWS and Sk.
 
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Thanks JaoeyP.
So you think in general the steel barrel is more accurate or the weight of the steel is better for competition, not that the steel is more accurate?
I think the steel barrel is better for competition because of weight and balance. I do have a friend who out together a competition rifle with the carbon fiber barrel specifically with his son in mind.
 

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    My carbon has been fine.

    If I come prepared and don't play squad mom for my squad and can focus on stages....I can keep the Voodoo and RimX shooters on their toes in NRL22.

    Have shot 8 matches this season in my region. Placed in Top 2 in 5 of them. Also have a 4th, 8th, and 10th. The 4th was in 40mph winds. Highest score I've shot 443.22/500...I got 2nd. 😳

    I've shot against a half dozen B14R's. I can't tell if either barrel is more accurate than the other. Feed it good ammo and go do good deeds.
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    Mine has a AI chassis and a Premier. Just stripped my 308 for parts. Also replaced trigger. My rig with a bunch of heavy shit attached to it is 13-14lbs. I like it compared to my 23lb 308.....positional is much easier now.
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    We just finished 22 100 yard match
    My neighbor 9 year old son
    Made me proud
    Possible 200 score 20x
    He beat everyone with
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    10 ring 3/4” x ring 1/2”
    With my Bergara b14
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    He beat them all
    ‘O’ by the way geco auto match ammo
    He also finished 2nd in side match of know your limit
    YEA I think the B14R does ok
    I did finish 2nd
    But he still handed me my a$$
    Correction he shot his fathers walther KK
    He did indeed do a lot of practice with the b14r
     

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    Guys thanks for all the input. just went thru all of this post. Mine is coming this week. Is the factory trigger adjustable? A lot of trigger info, some worked some did not. What trigger are you using?

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    Guys thanks for all the input. just went thru all of this post. Mine is coming this week. Is the factory trigger adjustable? A lot of trigger info, some worked some did not. What trigger are you using?

    Mark
    The factory trigger is usable and can be adjusted down to a smidge over 2 pounds. Mine is getting replaced by a 4 to 32 ounce TriggerTech Diamond. It's a tits in the window trigger
     

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    Guys thanks for all the input. just went thru all of this post. Mine is coming this week. Is the factory trigger adjustable? A lot of trigger info, some worked some did not. What trigger are you using?

    Mark
    As Nate has stated factory trigger is usable
    I installed a trigger tech diamond
    With no problems
    KOD has some problems with a trigger tech, but mine is doing great
    Bix an Andy, jewel,
    Just make sure it fits inside trigger guard
    Congrats on the b14r I think you will be happy with it
     
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    Have tried Timmney 2 stage, the one with the blue housing and TT diamond single stage. No issues with either.
    And like yoteman stated, the factory trigger is not that bad, at least not in mine.
     

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    My factory trigger only went down to 2lbs 15 oz but feels very good for the weight and breaks clean. Definitely usable. That being said, I am enjoying this rifle so much I decided I could throw a few more bucks at it. Triggertech primary is arriving any minute now....
     

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    Glad to see a new post. Things have been quiet on the B14.
    Finally got around to shooting a little better ammo (At least for me) out of both guns. Shot a few different SK ammo types plus my normal stuff. I’m starting to think that the carbon setup is slowly pulling away from the steel one. Or at least with the ammo I have tried. The Carbon gun just seems to have less flyer. Both shoot pretty good even with various bulk Rem/Win/Fed. May have to do some 6x5s with them just for fun to see the numbers. Think they will be under 1.5 average. Here is some targets I shot in the last few weeks. Most of my range time is spent shooting at 1in shoot and see dots on targets left on target boards, bullet holes at 100 and dirt clods at the 200 yard berm. I find it more fun.
    Carbon—51 and 101 yards. For some reason my range has target boards at 23/51/76/101/193 Yards.
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    Steel-Only took picture of the 51. Did do a 7 group target that was almost exactly 1in with SK+ at 101 so nothing special.
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    Tested some more SK. Carbon gun liked PM Special and did just ok with the RM. Steel gun looks like it does a hair over an inch with everything. Going to just start bringing it and my CZ to the range till I get it figured out. 101 yards
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    Had an issue when trying to run a suppressor on my B14R Carbon. When attaching the suppressor, I'd have extreme POI shift. 10+ mils, and groups opened up hugely. I tried 5 different brands/models of 22lr suppressor with similar results that varied per can. Those with larger bore diameters shifted less, which led me to believe it was baffle strikes. I've experienced this exact same thing with other carbon tension barrels of this design, such as volquartsen, and others. The shoulder on the barrel is comprised of a threaded nut, that is tensioned against a carbon fiber sleeve. Sometimes, that nut gets off axis from the bore, so when you tighten up a suppressor, it will pull it off axis. Other times the tool used to interface the two holes in the nut, damages the two holes, and causes a bit of material to stick up which will contact the suppressor before full lockup. This is not specific to bergara, but rather can happen with any barrel of this design. Without the suppressor attached, the rifle shot great.

    With the barrel setup true to the bore in a lathe, you can face off the nut, and square it up. This solved the issue 100% and I can now attach a suppressor with only a couple tenths of a mil of shift, (which is very minimal) and the groups are nice, just as they are without the suppressor.

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    I bought a B14R Carbon online and just got it today. Because of your post I checked the barrel and my suppressor with an alignment rod and it was way off. So, thank you! I probably never would have checked. The fit and finish of the carbon to the barrel is absolutely terrible. Here are some pics of what I got. 5FC13C3E-A6EE-46A7-8AC6-FEEEDABCCE41.jpeg3AD056AA-00D3-4796-93B7-AC5F249D35BF.jpegC1C15202-3701-4DEC-935D-FF92020C7D3A.jpeg6BAF66C1-078A-4E5D-8D3A-057DCEECCCA7.jpeg
     

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    I bought a B14R Carbon online and just got it today. Because of your post I checked the barrel and my suppressor with an alignment rod and it was way off. So, thank you! I probably never would have checked. The fit and finish of the carbon to the barrel is absolutely terrible. Here are some pics of what I got.
    Sorry you're dealing with that, but glad I helped.

    I first had this issue with a carbon tension barrel long ago... like 15-18 years ago. It stuck with me since. ;)
     

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    Sorry you're dealing with that, but glad I helped.

    I first had this issue with a carbon tension barrel long ago... like 15-18 years ago. It stuck with me since. ;)
    I emailed them about it. Hopefully I’ll hear something back before the weekend but I doubt it.
     

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    I emailed them about it. Hopefully I’ll hear something back before the weekend but I doubt it.
    Please keep us updated. I am still struggling to choose between the carbon and steel barrels, but I want to shoot with a can, so this is a big issue for me. I'd also like to know what they are going to do about the poor fit between the carbon and the barrel.
     

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    Please keep us updated. I am still struggling to choose between the carbon and steel barrels, but I want to shoot with a can, so this is a big issue for me. I'd also like to know what they are going to do about the poor fit between the carbon and the barrel.
    This is a big issue for me as well, because I planned on primarily shooting it with a can. When I used my alignment rod I could feel it hit at least three baffles in my can.

    I actually received a quick response from them this morning. They emailed me a return label and repair ticket, but they told me it would be a 4-6 week turn around. Needless to say I was quite unhappy about that news and replied saying so. I received a prompt call from them shortly after my reply. They upgraded my shipping to overnight but still 4-6 week turnaround. They told me it’s because this is a busy time of year for them with hunting season coming up and between CVA and Bergara they only have three gunsmiths on hand for repairs.

    They are going to make it right, but it’s just aggravating to buy a new rifle and have to send back immediately.
     

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    Took a friend out to shoot 1K with his new 6.5 today. Broke out my Bergara at the 200 yard line for fun. Didn't do too bad, decent waterline with CCI SV, holding one mil, and small gusts blew to 2mils. Two inch dot.

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    So I shot my first rifle match of any kind yesterday (NRL22) with the B14R. Came in 6th which for my first match I am more than happy with. There were 3 Bergaras in the top six. Such a great rifle for the money I couldn’t ask for more.
     

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    RFutch,
    Did you or your friend see a significant improvement in anything by switching stocks? I have two Bravo stocks and two MPA Hybrid chassis, improvements were mainly ergonomics going from a hunting style to a pistol grip tactical style. Not sure how much of an improvement "if any" I'd see over the B14R stock.
     

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    Just ergos I’d say. I liked the grip of the HMR stock but Everything behind that felt odd to me. Like it was too low or something.

    After shooting this match I am wanting to add more weight though. Mike is 11 lbs now and I could definitely see where a few more would help. My buddy’s weighs almost 20 lbs lol.
     

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    How do the mags work in both the Bravo and MPA? I'm thinking about getting the MPA because I will eventually get a Gen 2 Vudoo or the Deuce Ultimatum. I already have a Bix & Andy trigger not being used so it's not like I'd be "wasting" money by buying a 700 footprint chassis/stock.
     

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    Initial results of having mine for a little over a week.
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    50yd, 5 and 10rd groups, Center X
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    50yds
    SK Match top 2 groups
    SK std + remaining
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    50yds
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    SK match. The hot rounds were from ammo that was left out in the sun.
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    100yds
    The wild groups of SK and Center X were fired during gusts from N-S. I was curious to see the dispersion.
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    How do the mags work in both the Bravo and MPA? I'm thinking about getting the MPA because I will eventually get a Gen 2 Vudoo or the Deuce Ultimatum. I already have a Bix & Andy trigger not being used so it's not like I'd be "wasting" money by buying a 700 footprint chassis/stock.
    The only issue I've run into, is if I'm pressing into a barricade with the rifle on a game changer bag, will cause some feeding issues(mag actually hitting the bag). Most of the time I can move it back a bit and then chamber the round. Other than that its fed perfectly.

    The MPA has more magwell surrounding the mag to protect it from this so it is probably better. I haven't seen my buddy have any issues with his.
     

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    I got my Trigger Tech Diamond in my B14R today. Makes all the difference. Great trigger.
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    I got one of the first "if not the first" B14R rifles on here. I also believe I got a "bottom of the barrel" rifle, accuracy wise. It seems that most, if not all B-14R's in here and on RFC are more accurate than mine is. My B-14R is simply fantastic in every respect except accuracy. Having thought about it and just how much I like the platform I decided to send my B-14R off to Mark Penrod to see what he can do with it. He called me today after he opened the box and we discussed several things. He said he was impressed with the smoothness of the bolt and overall design. We talked barrels again and I have decided to not get the barrel threaded. This will not only save me some money with threading and back boring on the button rifled barrel but should eliminate an accuracy variable, after all that's why it's there. My first barrel choice is the Shilen 5R and the second choice is the 3 groove benchmark. That's all for now, will update as new information comes up.
     

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    I got one of the first "if not the first" B14R rifles on here. I also believe I got a "bottom of the barrel" rifle, accuracy wise. It seems that most, if not all B-14R's in here and on RFC are more accurate than mine is. My B-14R is simply fantastic in every respect except accuracy. Having thought about it and just how much I like the platform I decided to send my B-14R off to Mark Penrod to see what he can do with it. He called me today after he opened the box and we discussed several things. He said he was impressed with the smoothness of the bolt and overall design. We talked barrels again and I have decided to not get the barrel threaded. This will not only save me some money with threading and back boring on the button rifled barrel but should eliminate an accuracy variable, after all that's why it's there. My first barrel choice is the Shilen 5R and the second choice is the 3 groove benchmark. That's all for now, will update as new information comes up.
    Waiting to see how it turns out. My carbon gun is a shooter that will probably shoot mid .2s average at 50 and sub .75 average at 100. That’s with its favorite ammo. The steel barrel gun is really just good not great or at least with the ammo I have tried. Will probably just do some tweaking on it and not spend more money on it. Does plenty good for position shooting but not as fun off the bench.
     

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    Thought I'd put this up. This is the last plate I shot before sending to Mark. Just for viewing. If groups are compared you will just have to do a visual. This is how I've measured my groups for years and it works pretty good for my use. All my groups are measured center to center.

    Overall I guess these groups are not to bad. After the first group was shot I made a scope correction and the rest were together. When I look at this rifle I see a 70% to 80% 1/2" shooter. To me that means this rifle shoots 1/2" or better 70-80% of the time at 55 yards. The shots I have circled are WTF shots, shots I simply don't know what happened. Those are what I want eliminated.

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    Just for comparison here's a plate shot the same day with the same ammo from my 457 with IBI barrel.
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    Same ammo ten days later, with my T1x with IBI barrel. And yes, that "1st shot of day" is the dreaded and hated "cold bore flyer".
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    T1x with Lapua Pistol King. Pistol King is one of my favorite ammos in all my rifles.
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    Talked to Mark Penrod this morning. As expected after slugging the B-14R barrel it's no wonder it shot they way it did. Mark said the slug started out good but the further to the muzzle it got the looser it got until it almost fell out at the end. Sounds like Bergara used the wrong end of the barrel.

    Overall he said he was very impressed with the quality of the B-14R. He commented on the Elftmann trigger, that it was very good. The stock was good but could possibly be made better by bedding. He was very impressed the the receiver and bolt. I'll make a decision later on for what to do "if anything" about the stock. For me, I really like the factory stock and how it feels. BTW, this is the first Bergara B-14R he has laid his hands on.

    He sent me three photos yesterday showing the receiver end of the barrel. The adapter shown below will be used to install a new barrel. That will standardize the threads for if I decide later on I want a different barrel it won't be so expensive nor difficult to change. Barrel wise, I have decided on the Shilen Ratchet, .920 straight contour barrel. Length will be probably somewhere between 24 and 26", just wherever the tightest spots ends up being. Chamber choice, he said he said he recommended using his reamer and that was what he was using on his Shilen Ratchet .920 barrel. From the way he talked I believe it might be close to the 22 LR Match chamber as shown below in the black outline, but I'll find out for sure next time we talk. The other options he offerers, I haven't decided on. Mark Penrod is also a competitor. He placed 18th out of 71 at the Shilen Challenge a few weeks back.

    Once more decisions have been made I'll post it here.

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    No way would I ever go down to a .920 from the 1.2/1.250 standard the action is compatible with. Good luck with your project. I hope it turns out well.
     

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    I know better than to get into a high level discussion here. So I'll simply say, experience. Much experience.

    As I said, genuinely I wish you luck. Everyone deserves a precise and accurate 22lr. :) From the sounds of it, anything will be an improvement from what was on there.
     

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    KOD, may I ask what the reasoning is to machine an adapter for a smaller diameter barrel (at the breach) and not going the regular step of machining a one piece barrel?
     

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    Mark Penrod has the Shilen barrels on the shelf and can turn this project around rather quickly instead of months if he had to find a larger blank and turn it down. Plus this way is a lot cheaper. Now that I think about it I am concerned how it's going to look. I thought orkan might touch on the cosmetics as a reason he wouldn't do it but he didn't.

    Orkan, I wasn't going to discuss or debate your reasoning, I was just looking for the reason. I'm always open to ideas and suggestions. If you have knowledge and experience then please share it.
     

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    I thought orkan might touch on the cosmetics as a reason he wouldn't do it but he didn't.

    Orkan, I wasn't going to discuss or debate your reasoning, I was just looking for the reason. I'm always open to ideas and suggestions. If you have knowledge and experience then please share it.
    Absolutely nothing to do with aesthetics, and everything to do with accuracy/precision.
     
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    Okay, well obviously you don't think it will have accuracy or precision can you elaborate the pitfalls so I can ask Mark about these.
    KOD,
    If at all possible, do what you can to steer away from the bushing....it’s a horrible approach. The introduction of variation is never a good idea especially if the bushing was not finish turned and threaded on the barrel being fitted to the receiver.

    Hope this helps....

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    The bushing looks to be made on a cnc. If the bushing is as good as it looks it will be just as crooked as the receiver when properly attached.