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David Koresh = Pedophile. change my mind.

Dude, I can't fathom the context of a conversation where a dude sends another dude a photo like that...

Assuming neither is looking for an interlude anyway

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oh it is better than that......the fuckwit posted it on an open forum trying to show how fit he was when he slammed someone else for not being in as good of shape....which is hilarious...because i've taken shits that had more muscle mass than he is attempting to show off. fucking nipplehead.

when the new guy showed up and decided it was a good idea to use the screen name "Carlos Hathcock" and his screen name was forever changed to "carlos danger" i laughed until i almost pissed myself.

everytime i see his screen name, what i see is "dick root".
 
try and act intelligant all you want....i've got $20 that says if it wasnt for R.A.t.M., you wouldnt know shit about that.

PURE speculation. you do not know ANY of that.

ask yourself this....if they were willing to burn them alive, live on national t.v., what would they be willing to do behind closed doors where no one could see?

this whole police state thing has gotten out of hand. when it changed to the SWAT mentality, away from being peace officers......that's when it all started to go to hell.
Because sick wack job cults never commit mass suicide. Right

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Those pedophiles were so afraid of being caught they allowed everyone to die... Did you ever consider that. They convinced everyone it was better to stay in that place, because they didn’t want to get arrested for what the fuck they were doing. It might be speculation but it’s why I think all those kids died they didn’t want them talking.
 
No, you are completely mis-informed.
They were actively trying to negotiate a safe surrender, it's a bit hard to surrender when snipers are shooting at you anytime they saw somebody.
They were also trying to negotiate for not stupid charges as the first 2 old ladies that went out to surrender and didn't get shot by the snipers were promptly charged with murder and not treated very well.

The group was actively trying to work out a peaceful surrender.
Several Radio and media types were in communication with them as well and trying to help them work out a surrender without getting murdered.

I don't have any clue what on earth your handlers think they are doing telling you to go dig up this event and try to put a new spin on it, but some of us were around at that time and have really good memories of what went down.
I don’t buy that, “ couldn’t come out peacefully because the snipers would’ve shot them“ You know I was alive when that happened I remember it, I was young but I do remember it.

What sounds more believable to me is they knew the gig was up. And didn’t want to let kids that could testify against them go.

Nobody is handling me... I just don’t understand why people rally around this Waco thing when the adults in the building fucking whack jobs.

The leader of the cult had a fake name married an underage girl and fucked a whole bunch of other underage girls and had them all convinced that he was some god figure... I think you’re highly overlooking the amount of crazy that was in that building
 
I don’t buy that, “ couldn’t come out peacefully because the snipers would’ve shot them“ You know I was alive when that happened I remember it, I was young but I do remember it.

What sounds more believable to me is they knew the gig was up. And didn’t want to let kids that could testify against them go.

Nobody is handling me... I just don’t understand why people rally around this Waco thing when the adults in the building fucking whack jobs.

The leader of the cult had a fake name married an underage girl and fucked a whole bunch of other underage girls and had them all convinced that he was some god figure... I think you’re highly overlooking the amount of crazy that was in that building
The highlighted part, read it again because we are aware. You're the one not comprehending what people are saying you just keep repeating the same shit.

They keep saying the same logical easy to understand thing.

Child molester= Bad

Feds not getting him as he was out in public constantly= bad

Feds Killing children and taking trophy pics= Bad

People supporting a child molester= no one
 
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oh it is better than that......the fuckwit posted it on an open forum trying to show how fit he was when he slammed someone else for not being in as good of shape....which is hilarious...because i've taken shits that had more muscle mass than he is attempting to show off. fucking nipplehead.

when the new guy showed up and decided it was a good idea to use the screen name "Carlos Hathcock" and his screen name was forever changed to "carlos danger" i laughed until i almost pissed myself.

everytime i see his screen name, what i see is "dick root".
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I forget, the BATFE is charged with operating as a section of state child protective services right?

As part of their charter, the BATFE is charged with incinerating children molested by religious zealots, correct?

The BATFE said they had to attack the Branch Davidians because they allegedly heard full auto weapons firing on the compound. But wait! There was a ATF licensed class 3 dealer living on the premises. All the ATF had to do was drive up and ask to audit the records and inspect the weapons of the dealer on site.

The BATFE called all local media outlets and invited them to watch the raid hours before the raid occurred, those media outlets called David Koresh for comments hours before the raid occurred. thus warning them that the attack of the idiots was on the way. A review of the attack proved the BATFE shot and killed most of their own men.

David Koresh came to town daily to pick up mail and make purchases for the group, the local sheriff let the BATFE know he was in town daily. He and typically one other adult usually brought a few kids and bought them ice cream, picked up the mail and stopped at a local store or two. The sheriff said he was polite, approachable and easy to deal with, no reason for an all out armed assault.

There is drone or aircraft footage of the scene during the final assault. You can clearly see FBI and ATF snipers shooting people trying to exit the burning building. Texas Dept of Public Safety said they found hundreds of shell casing in various FBI sniper positions after the final mass murdering of civilians. The FBI said those casings were from randomly shooting at vehicles and Davidians equipment in order to terrorize them over the previous two months, not from the murdering of innocents.

I think David Koresh was a questionable person and probably liked teenage girls a bit too much, still not a reason to murder 80 people.

I happened to be an adult back in the day. They were selling copies of the warrant at gun shows back then, the warrant was simply ranting and rumors and the judge who signed off on it should have been put in prison for signing the thing. Any reasonably intelligent law man would have stopped Koresh in town or drove out for a license check on the gun dealer.
 
I find it appalling that there are people in US that really believe that Waco was about pedos (as if they were a thing back then fucking LOL) simply amazing. I'm from fucking Slovenia which is basically another world and at that time barely out of socialistic mindset, yet it was clear as a day that events there had nothing to do with "sect fucking children" but with "people having ideas that US Inc. is not their master" whereas US Inc. made an example of everyone that took that idea into practice.
But i would guess some really project a lot and seeing pedos, homos etc. everywhere just might have something to do with a look in a mirror...
 
I never met, or even heard of an overly religious fanatic that wasn't fucked up sexually. Take your pick. David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, Jim Jones, all of them led fucked up sex lives.... For YEARS. And got away with it because people believed all of their idiotic bullshit.

If Jones and Koresh had lived, and their suicidal endings had never taken place. All of them would have been run through the justice system on sex charges, just like Jeffs. And they ALL would be in prison for LIFE today.
 
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i want each of you to remember that you can be accused of anything, and evidence can be planted, and that alone will ruin you.

i don't believe any accusation the government makes anymore. PROVE IT or it is "not guilty" to me. the days of a mere accusation being enough for me, are long gone.

They do not need a conviction to win. Simply accuse, charge and prosecute whatever fits the agenda and you're done. Most will remember you by the accusations (ask Richard Jewel) and you will be financially ruined defending yourself.

The system IS the punishment.
 
CS gas against children over hours. And that bitch (butch?) Janet defended it forever. Yeah, Koresh was a freak. And the Dravidians were used to help bloat budgets.
 
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Personally, I think David Koresh(real name Vernon Wayne Howell) was a kiddy fucking pedophile that would not allow the children he groomed for multiple years to escape for fear of the truth coming out. Basically using them as human shields knowing that he was finally caught.

Sadly, the fed’s botched their side of the deal burnig the place down. Many people who did not deserve to die, many of them abused from a young age perished in a tragic, avoidable fire.

I’m starting this thread because some people keep wanting to argue about it in another thread... if you wana go around and talk shit. Heres the place.
Wasnt one of the first things the feds did was shoot a bunch of dogs that were penned up. Theres interviews with survivors. Totally different story from the feds. I dont believe the pedo crap thats for senators
 
The gas they pumped in killed children who had muscle spasms so hard it broke their backs. Yes there are pictures. No I won’t post them. It was this gas that aided the fire when it took off.

You also need to remember the timing. This event was pushed by Hillary to get Bill out of the news for the Lewinsky shit.

This literally started because optics.
 
Because sick wack job cults never commit mass suicide. Right

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Those pedophiles were so afraid of being caught they allowed everyone to die... Did you ever consider that. They convinced everyone it was better to stay in that place, because they didn’t want to get arrested for what the fuck they were doing. It might be speculation but it’s why I think all those kids died they didn’t want them talking.
what in the ever-loving-fuck are you talking about??? wait a second, i thought we was talking about waco, tx? now you come in with heaven's gate cult? classic libtard tactic......when you get proven to be all fucked up; change the conversation/move the goal post. stay on topic, skinny.
 
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Yes it was started today.

-Googles when this fuckery happened.
Wow, 1993. 25 years ago.

Did any of you actually know the people involved?

Ok then let's argue about information given to us buy what we've come to understand as state sponsored media and what you THINK you know.
 
I don’t buy that, “ couldn’t come out peacefully because the snipers would’ve shot them“ You know I was alive when that happened I remember it, I was young but I do remember i
exactly as i figured. too young to remember, so you are reading what someone else put forth as official analysis. and you trust the official narrative after everything you've been seeing in the last 4 years? you gotta be fuckin kidding me
If Jones and Koresh had lived, and their suicidal endings had never taken place. All of them would have been run through the justice system on sex charges, just like Jeffs. And they ALL would be in prison for LIFE today.
no. they'd be in congress, senate, or in some high level government position. their REAL crime, was not sharing the spoils of their kingdom with those in power. had they invited government officials into the party, they would have flourished, prospered, and risen to high level government positions. their REAL crime was not seeking government sponsership.
They do not need a conviction to win. Simply accuse, charge and prosecute whatever fits the agenda and you're done. Most will remember you by the accusations (ask Richard Jewel) and you will be financially ruined defending yourself.

The system IS the punishment.
Amen, brother. the system has unlimited resources. they just keep filing on you until they ruin you. and threaten and destroy anyone that would dare to even voice support.
 
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exactly as i figured. too young to remember, so you are reading what someone else put forth as official analysis. and you trust the official narrative after everything you've been seeing in the last 4 years? you gotta be fuckin kidding me

no. they'd be in congress, senate, or in some high level government position. their REAL crime, was not sharing the spoils of their kingdom with those in power. had they invited government officials into the party, they would have flourished, prospered, and risen to high level government positions.

Amen, brother. the system
Where you there? First hand experience? Whats your source. Did you watch it happen in person?

Those Cult members were not good people either. It seems so many people over look how twisted they were. It takes 2 to tango.

Are you trying to deny they were Pedophiles???
 
Wasnt one of the first things the feds did was shoot a bunch of dogs that were penned up. Theres interviews with survivors. Totally different story from the feds. I dont believe the pedo crap thats for senators
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Just faking it right...

Multiple people who were there have come out and mentioned the sex crimes waco “suppoorters” wanna ignore it and say it’s some Fed conspiracy.

I think you’re the blind ones for not seeing the obvious truth
 
If you belive in God and belive he is in control whether you understand why things happen or not.

They all litterally burned in hell. So I'm sorta inclined to think they did some fucked up shit.
 
Where you there? First hand experience? Whats your source. Did you watch it happen in person?
i watch a lot of it LIVE....without listening to what the state sponsered mouthpiece was saying...which was pretty much the same thing they do now....they were spinning things for their hero of the hour...which then, was the clinton's and reno. yes i watched it happen in person....live on TV.

and liberal tactic #2, "when the opposing side starts putting forth information you dont like, ask for source, no matter how much it makes sense"
Those Cult members were not good people either. It seems so many people over look how twisted they were. It takes 2 to tango.
i'll ask you what you asked me. where you there? did you watch it happen? did you know them personally? i am not even going to ask you for your source, because all you have is what the liars are putting forth.
Are you trying to deny they were Pedophiles
prove they were. and i mean PROVE it, do not regurgitate the bullshit narrative put forth by reno and and her merry band of murderers. it wasnt enough that they did what they did; they were PROUD of it, so much so, they had to get their trophy photos.

according to your logic, IF (and that is a giant fucking if) the kids were abused.....it is your position that it is better to burn them alive than it is to take the time to get the truth, and IF (giant fucking if again) people are found guilty of abusing them, to prosecute and punish them according to the written law.

now you might think i am spinning what you are saying, but i am not. that is the position you are putting forth. answer us as to why, IF (giant fucking if again) the children were being abused.....why the ATF was the lead agency? that nugget right there should tell you what you need to know.

it was a brutal kick in the balls for me to come to the realization that the media is a lying bunch of scumbags who pretty much just run out and spout whatever their liberal leaders tell them to. they never question anything....they just get their memo and they run with it. that realization, that you can't believe ANYTHING they've ever said, in the history of your LIFE, is a sack-over-the-head-punch-in-the-stomach. i always knew they were slanted, but the last 5 years have shown they are totally corrupt and need to be tried for treason.

the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start to see clearly. the truth will set you free.

as far as if koresh was a good person or not....i dont have a dog in that hunt. my position is that there was a right way to proceed, and they did anything but that.
 
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If you belive in God and belive he is in control whether you understand why things happen or not.

They all litterally burned in hell. So I'm sorta inclined to think they did some fucked up shit.
Thats an interesting perspective.
 
i watch a lot of it LIVE....without listening to what the state sponsered mouthpiece was saying...which was pretty much the same thing they do now....they were spinning things for their hero of the hour...which then, was the clinton's and reno. yes i watched it happen in person....live on TV.

and liberal tactic #2, "when the opposing side starts putting forth information you dont like, ask for source, no matter how much it makes sense"

i'll ask you what you asked me. where you there? did you watch it happen? did you know them personally? i am not even going to ask you for your source, because all you have is what the liars are putting forth.

prove they were. and i mean PROVE it, do not regurgitate the bullshit narrative put forth by reno and and her merry band of murderers. it wasnt enough that they did what they did; they were PROUD of it, so much so, they had to get their trophy photos.

according to your logic, IF (and that is a giant fucking if) the kids were abused.....it is your position that it is better to burn them alive than it is to take the time to get the truth, and IF (giant fucking if again) people are found guilty of abusing them, to prosecute and punish them according to the written law.

now you might think i am spinning what you are saying, but i am not. that is the position you are putting forth. answer us as to why, IF (giant fucking if again) the children were being abused.....why the ATF was the lead agency? that nugget right there should tell you what you need to know.

it was a brutal kick in the balls for me to come to the realization that the media is a lying bunch of scumbags who pretty much just run out and spout whatever their liberal leaders tell them to. they never question anything....they just get their memo and they run with it. that realization, that you can't believe ANYTHING they've ever said, in the history of your LIFE, is a sack-over-the-head-punch-in-the-stomach. i always knew they were slanted, but the last 5 years have shown they are totally corrupt and need to be tried for treason.

the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start to see clearly. the truth will set you free.
Not your truth... cant even properly comprehend my position.

I watched it too. Then spent years studying it...

So you deny the first hand witness accounts from survivors like the ones I posted above you’re just gonna overlook that?
 
If you belive in God and belive he is in control whether you understand why things happen or not.

They all litterally burned in hell. So I'm sorta inclined to think they did some fucked up shit.
so by that line of thinking, Christ deserved the pain and anguish inflicted on him during his crucifixion?

now don't get me wrong, i'd love to be able to believe the world works that way. but it doesnt take long at all, if you think on it, to realize it just isnt so. i mean even in that example, what on earth could the children in that inferno have possibly done to deserve any of that?
 
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so by that line of thinking, Christ deserved the pain and anguish inflicted on him during his crucifixion?
That’s not at all the same...

Being sent for the expressed purpose of dying for everyone’s sins, and using free will to make decisions that lead you to a situation where you die aren’t the same.
 
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So you deny the first hand witness accounts from survivors like the ones I posted above you’re just gonna overlook that?
it has NOTHING to do with my point. find where i ever even implied koresh was a good guy. and i also challenge you to find where i said he was a bad guy. i dont give a fuck.

MY FUCKING POINT, is that the way government handled it (and by "it" i mean whatever the fuck they were trying to investigate to begin with) and the endless ensuing stream of lies and excuses, along with the evidence they were PROUD of themselves, was fucked up from start to finish. these dumb cocksuckers went into it trying to flex, and they had every opportunity to stop themselves and come at it from a fresh angle. but NO, they had to flex, flex, flex. and you have no issue with it. burning them all alive is a much better option says you. you fucking twat. THAT is what you are defending.

i think, if you'd have spent half as much time reading, as you do taking dick root pictures of your foolish self, you might be able to see. but NOOOOOO. you refuse to.
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so by that line of thinking, Christ deserved the pain and anguish inflicted on him during his crucifixion?

now don't get me wrong, i'd love to be able to believe the world works that way. but it doesnt take long at all, if you think on it, to realize it just isnt so. i mean even in that example, what on earth could the children in that inferno have possibly done to deserve any of that?
Imagine if he didn't. Imagine if they didn't make an example out of him for the world to see. Imagine if they just made him disappear. Would there even be a Jesus as we know him?
 
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it has NOTHING to do with my point. find where i ever even implied koresh was a good guy. and i also challenge you to find where i said he was a bad guy. i dont give a fuck.

MY FUCKING POINT, is that the way government handled it (and by "it" i mean whatever the fuck they were trying to investigate to begin with) and the endless ensuing stream of lies and excuses, along with the evidence they were PROUD of themselves, was fucked up from start to finish. these dumb cocksuckers went into it trying to flex, and they had every opportunity to stop themselves and come at it from a fresh angle. but NO, they had to flex, flex, flex. and you have no issue with it. burning them all alive is a much better option says you. you fucking twat. THAT is what you are defending.

i think, if you'd have spent half as much time reading, as you do taking dick root pictures of your foolish self, you might be able to see. but NOOOOOO. you refuse to.
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Where did I ever claim the feds were right?

You fail to realize you are preaching to the pope.
 
If you want some real info you could just listen to a bunch of people who voluntarily chose to live with and follow him. It’s not that hard to find, unless you don’t really want to know
 
Read Thibodeau's book. It's very well written and sheds a lot of light on what went on in there. He wasn't a Koresh fanboi either so don't dismiss it as being biased.

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Yes but he took it voluntarily we mostly avoid it at any cost especially if the cost is paid by others...
 
-Checks date of thread.
Yes it was started today.

-Googles when this fuckery happened.
Wow, 1993. 25 years ago.

Did any of you actually know the people involved?

Ok then let's argue about information given to us buy what we've come to understand as state sponsored media and what you THINK you know.

I met Janet Reno. 🤮 🤮 🤮
 
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How TF this troll isn’t banned is beyond me

Guess when you leech off the taxpayer the rules are different.

Something something shame this isn’t more Carl dregas sometning something
 
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