David Koresh = Pedophile. change my mind.

[lonegunman762x51]

Kiri Jewel

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Just faking it right...

Multiple people who were there have come out and mentioned the sex crimes waco “suppoorters” wanna ignore it and say it’s some Fed conspiracy.

I think you’re the blind ones for not seeing the obvious truth

And again, we need an answer to this one simple question. If you are touched inappropriately by an adult, do you call the BATFE and request a mass execution of 80 people?


It literally does not matter how many people David Koresh molests......................................it is not the BATFE's job to act as judge, jury and executioner of him and everyone he knows. This is literally a state matter, handled by local police and child protective services.

 

[TheHorta]

As a direct result of this thread, I now have a whole new level of sympathy for Frank.

 

[Steve_In_29]

All this stuff about him supposedly being with kids was pumped out after the government went and murdered everyone on purpose
And YES they did it on purpose, they did their very best to make sure nobody got out alive including running heavy tracked vehicles back and forth over where they knew the shelter the children would be hiding from the fire was.
Including having snipers shooting dead anyone trying to flee the flames.
They made sure to set the building on fire in such a way that it would go up almost instantly, after carefully punching a bunch of wind ventilation holes in it.

They tried using the drugs excuse when their guns excuse came up crappy, then they tried the having sex with kids thing once they needed a cover story for murdering the kids.

I remember it very well as it went down not all that far.

So don't go trying to swallow any government revisionist history.

Yep done on purpose. The .gov could have arrested Koresh MANY times when he went to town but instead did it when he was at the compound where they KNEW things would go sideways.

It has become standard operating procedure for the .gov to "find" kiddy porn on anyone they are trying to take down.

I suppose the OP thinks the sniper that shot Randy Weaver's wife while she was holding their baby was just doing his job as well.

 

[myronman3]

The .gov could have arrested Koresh MANY times when he went to town but instead did it when he was at the compound where they KNEW things would go sideways

i dont think they thought it was going to go sideways, i think they expected to kick in the doors and "justify" them having all that weaponry that the taxpayers dollars bought them.

it didnt quite go as expected. and koresh himself said via phone interview they could have picked him up in town, they could have called him in and he would have gone. but they came to his house to kick his doors in. and he wasn't going to have that. the interview is on youtube, should anyone care. it's not like he was holed up and a recluse. and the local sheriff said the same.

to me, there really it is pretty obvious.

OP started this thread because he was butt hurt about his dick root picture getting re-posted. projecting didnt work, changing the topic didnt work, asking for sources didnt work. i've just been hopeful that he wakes up....there are enough zombies walking around already...we dont need more. i've laid off him in hopes that he uses his reasoning ability.

 

[billt]

Those Cult members were not good people either. It seems so many people over look how twisted they were. It takes 2 to tango.

Here I agree. Any "man" that would listen to an idiot like Koresh, then allow him to fuck his wife, is nothing but a gutless little, perverted, cuckold bitch. who probably gets off on it. The only people I feel sorry for in that whole fucked up bunch are the kids. They became the innocent victims of Koresh, along with their idiot parents.

 

[akmike47]

Here I agree. Any "man" that would listen to an idiot like Koresh, then allow him to fuck his wife, is nothing but a gutless little, perverted, cuckold bitch. who probably gets off on it. The only people I feel sorry for in that whole fucked up bunch are the kids. They became the innocent victims of Koresh, along with their idiot parents.

Doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. All it does saying it out loud is give them a hard on.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Here I agree. Any "man" that would listen to an idiot like Koresh, then allow him to fuck his wife, is nothing but a gutless little, perverted, cuckold bitch. who probably gets off on it. The only people I feel sorry for in that whole fucked up bunch are the kids. They became the innocent victims of Koresh, along with their idiot parents.

that is a very ignorant and uneducated view. Faith, circumstance, life experience can be a potent combination that drives people to do otherwise foolish things. History is littered with examples.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

 

[W54/XM-388]

Here I agree. Any "man" that would listen to an idiot like Koresh, then allow him to fuck his wife, is nothing but a gutless little, perverted, cuckold bitch. who probably gets off on it. The only people I feel sorry for in that whole fucked up bunch are the kids. They became the innocent victims of Koresh, along with their idiot parents.

Well, the leader of our country is a child groping pervert with a child bothering son and apparently half the country cheerfully voted for him and doesn't care about that.

So...

Seems folks only tend to care about that when they are told to care about it for some reason?

 

[Dunraven]

The only evidence of this I ever heard came from the msm, fed to them by the feds. Maybe Randy Weaver and his wife were pedophiles too?

 

[Steve_In_29]

i dont think they thought it was going to go sideways, i think they expected to kick in the doors and "justify" them having all that weaponry that the taxpayers dollars bought them.

it didnt quite go as expected. and koresh himself said via phone interview they could have picked him up in town, they could have called him in and he would have gone. but they came to his house to kick his doors in. and he wasn't going to have that. the interview is on youtube, should anyone care. it's not like he was holed up and a recluse. and the local sheriff said the same.

to me, there really it is pretty obvious.

OP started this thread because he was butt hurt about his dick root picture getting re-posted. projecting didnt work, changing the topic didnt work, asking for sources didnt work. i've just been hopeful that he wakes up....there are enough zombies walking around already...we dont need more. i've laid off him in hopes that he uses his reasoning ability.

They wanted to make a loud and public statement that the .gov WILL fuck you up if you don't go along.

Everyone in law enforcement KNOWS you try to take the bad guy down when they are away from their support, so anyone claiming the .gov "didn't know" is full of it. In fact I would venture they were hoping for it to go sideways as a way to show how powerful they were.

 

[LawnMM]

If you belive in God and belive he is in control whether you understand why things happen or not.

They all litterally burned in hell. So I'm sorta inclined to think they did some fucked up shit.

What fucked up shit did the kids do that they needed to burn to death as part of God's plan?

 

[RUTGERS95]

cannot believe anyone would argue anything other than a complete and utter failure by gov't here

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

What fucked up shit did the kids do that they needed to burn to death as part of God's plan?

Lol, dont over simplify things. Nobody said everyone who died deserves it.

 

[LawnMM]

Lol, dont over simplify things. Nobody said everyone who died deserves it.

I'm quoting what you said. You seemed to imply that they "literally burned in hell" and therefore it was likely atonement for their sins in life...

So if that's true my question is what were the children guilty of that they deserved that fate?

IMO this is the problem with the whole "God's plan" bullshit. It's bullshit. Plenty of terrible shit happens every day and there's no plan or reason behind it. It's just terrible shit committed by terrible people.

You'd have more success with the "Free will" argument. It at least explains the lack of intervention.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

I'm quoting what you said. You seemed to imply that they "literally burned in hell" and therefore it was likely atonement for their sins in life...

So if that's true my question is what were the children guilty of that they deserved that fate?

IMO this is the problem with the whole "God's plan" bullshit. It's bullshit. Plenty of terrible shit happens every day and there's no plan or reason behind it. It's just terrible shit committed by terrible people.

You'd have more success with the "Free will" argument. It at least explains the lack of intervention.

I was referring to the adults. I also said things happen that we don't understand so there's that. It's cool if you're an atheist. We're all free to believe what we want.

 

[LawnMM]

I was referring to the adults. I also said things happen that we don't understand so there's that. It's cool if you're an atheist. We're all free to believe what we want.

Not an atheist, just not under the impression I understand things of that magnitude. I can apply common sense and logic to a lot of the typical arguments made by religious institutions and they don't hold up.

Doesn't make me an atheist, just somebody that's not buying the whole Jesus was a white guy in the middle east in 0 BC line

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Nobody can rationalize or explain kids dying from any cause.

You either belive there is a higher power or everything is just random unfiltered occurrences. Either way, Shit happens.

Not sure who actually believes Jesus was white or black. its the middle east so chances are he's some shade of brown.

 

[billt]

Well, the leader of our country is a child groping pervert with a child bothering son and apparently half the country cheerfully voted for him and doesn't care about that.

So...

Seems folks only tend to care about that when they are told to care about it for some reason?

Does that make Koresh more tolerable in your mind? Don't get me wrong, Biden is an idiot and a pervert. But don't try to justify bad behavior by pointing to more bad behavior.

 

[billt]

that is a very ignorant and uneducated view. Faith, circumstance, life experience can be a potent combination that drives people to do otherwise foolish things. History is littered with examples.

Bullshit. Don't use religion as a backdrop to justify being a pedophile, or an ignorant fool. Or try to run interference by attempting to make this more complex than it is.

History is also littered with idiots who can't think for themselves. And allow themselves to be led around by the nose by an even larger idiot.

If you're weak, and need guidance, you don't turn to some obscure jagoff who calls himself a, "prophet". When in reality he was nothing but an attention whore. Who then turns around and tells you he's going to fuck your wife, but you can't.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Most, if not all, US States with a consent age of 16, or under 18, has a "window of age". Meaning that if you're under 18 but 16 or older, your sexual partner needs to be within, usually, five years. So if you're 16, you're partner can be no older than 21. This goes away at 18. 50 yo men can't legally have intercourse with a 16/17 yo girl in States with a age of consent of 16.

 

[texasmotor]

After the big fire Koresh was taken to Rusk mental/detention unit under an alias name.
End of line

 

[7.62willdo]

not one person posting here knows with absolute certainty that any laws were being broken, you just know what you have read or seen on the internet or tv……..so basically what the government has told you…….

 

[RUTGERS95]

Bullshit. Don't use religion as a backdrop to justify being a pedophile, or an ignorant fool. Or try to run interference by attempting to make this more complex than it is.

History is also littered with idiots who can't think for themselves. And allow themselves to be led around by the nose by an even larger idiot.

If you're weak, and need guidance, you don't turn to some obscure jagoff who calls himself a, "prophet". When in reality he was nothing but an attention whore. Who then turns around and tells you he's going to fuck your wife, but you can't.

you're not too bright if you don't see why

 

[GreenGO Juan]

not one person posting here knows with absolute certainty that any laws were being broken, you just know what you have read or seen on the internet or tv……..so basically what the government has told you…….

There are multiple people with zero government affiliation that were there that say there was abuse. There books and confessions have been mentioned in this thread, yet you ignore them.

Why?? Not suit your anti government agenda? Or do you commonly come to the defense of kiddie fucker?

I don’t think there is one person that believes the feds handled that well. Making the anti-government argument here has been done, The argument is worn out, that’s not what this threads about. This threads about the Branch Davidians and how fucked up they were.

Your argument is moot.. I’ve never been to the moon but people have. They say it exists I believe them. Just because I didn’t experience it personally doesn’t mean I can’t understand what was going on.

What’s your next argument gonna be telling me about how the fucking earth is flat.

 

[myronman3]

just when i start hoping you are coming around, you fucking get stupid again. you want to start threads about how fucked up people are?

 

[billt]

you're not too bright if you don't see why

"Faith drives you to do foolish things". Yes it does. Especially when you follow an asshole, who thinks he a legend in his own mind. And you're a cuckold bitch who likes to watch other men fuck your wife. If you can't see that, you're not only "not too bright", you're an idiot. Or else perhaps that scenario turns you on as well.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

just when i start hoping you are coming around, you fucking get stupid again. you want to start threads about how fucked up people are?

And your answer is a naked picture of me.

You know repeatedly posting that doesn’t make me look stupid it makes you look fucking crazy

I see myself naked every day doesn’t bother me one bit

 

[cas6969]

Say what you will about David Koresh, he never made me pay $5 a gallon for gas.

 

[hollowoutadime]

IIRC, didn't some those residents die of hydrogen cyanide poisoning from the burning of suspended particles from the CS gas?

Allowing that compound to burn, no fire dept, and the BATFE/FBI shooting anybody attempting to escape the inferno - not a proud moment.

Was anybody on the gov't side held accountable for anything? All I recall is Reno accepting responsibility, but so what.

 

[Forrest84]

It was the 100% the gov's fault plain and simple. anybody can play technical word games all they want but it was all blood on the hands of the government thugs there. anything other than that is pure denial. It doesnt matter how weird Vernon was. Same with Ruby Ridge, Government engineered disaster that never should of happened.

 

[billt]

.......... It doesnt matter how weird Vernon was. Same with Ruby Ridge, Government engineered disaster that never should of happened.

Don't compare that jagoff Koresh with Randy Weaver. Weaver wasn't a child molester, who had sex with underage girls.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The comparison wasn't for defendants but the policing agencies and their similar Modus Operandi. Shoot first, ask questions later. Woman and children first. Shot dead that is.

But you are 100% correct about Koresh. Actually jag off might be too kind.

 

[billt]

As far as blaming the government. Yes, they made a lot of aggressive mistakes. No doubt about it. They lost patience, and acted like a bunch of cowboys, instead of exercising professionalism.

But that doesn't absolve Koresh from being, and acting like a complete fucking idiot. He could have given up at ANY point. He could have taken those children out of the equation by releasing them.

The government made several pleas for him to do just that. But he needed them. He was no different than a bank robber who takes hostages for their own protection. Or these gutless ragheads who use kids as human shields.

There is nothing to admire, or feel sorry for, regarding this spineless piece of human shit. Or his brainwashed, weak, dumb ass followers. Who were all as childlike as the kids that they bred with Koresh to have, and bring into this world. They were all idiots. Sadly, it was the poor kids that paid the price for their parents weak, foolish, self absorbed actions.

Koresh KNEW he could have ended this peacefully AT ANY TIME. He WANTED to go out in a blaze of glory. It was the only option left on the table, in order to keep sympathy on his side. Just read through this thread if you need proof. He was a slave to the, "Book Of Revelation". And all the "Fire & Brimstone" that it preaches.

Koresh was nothing but a scum bag, attention whore. Who used religion, and in the process made his weak, spineless "followers", all pay the price for his showboating on national television for 51 straight days. It was the only way a worthless piece of shit like himself could garner a big enough audience.... At least for a while.

 

[EddieNFL]

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Koresh was nothing but a scum bag, attention whore. Who used religion, and in the process made his weak, spineless "followers", all pay the price for his showboating on national television for 51 straight days. It was the only way a worthless piece of shit like himself could garner a big enough audience.... At least for a while.

I got confused reading the last paragraph. Are we still talking about David Koresh or all the career politicians and bureaucrats our system has created?

 

[RUTGERS95]

Don't compare that jagoff Koresh with Randy Weaver. Weaver wasn't a child molester, who had sex with underage girls.

reading comprehension is seriously lacking in many of us. He didn't even suggest that nor am I even sure why you posted this response. You do understand what he said right? It's like when your kid tells you x when you asked for y

 

[RUTGERS95]

As far as blaming the government. Yes, they made a lot of aggressive mistakes. No doubt about it. They lost patience, and acted like a bunch of cowboys, instead of exercising professionalism.

But that doesn't absolve Koresh from being, and acting like a complete fucking idiot. He could have given up at ANY point. He could have taken those children out of the equation by releasing them.

The government made several pleas for him to do just that. But he needed them. He was no different than a bank robber who takes hostages for their own protection. Or these gutless ragheads who use kids as human shields.

There is nothing to admire, or feel sorry for, regarding this spineless piece of human shit. Or his brainwashed, weak, dumb ass followers. Who were all as childlike as the kids that they bred with Koresh to have, and bring into this world. They were all idiots. Sadly, it was the poor kids that paid the price for their parents weak, foolish, self absorbed actions.

Koresh KNEW he could have ended this peacefully AT ANY TIME. He WANTED to go out in a blaze of glory. It was the only option left on the table, in order to keep sympathy on his side. Just read through this thread if you need proof. He was a slave to the, "Book Of Revelation". And all the "Fire & Brimstone" that it preaches.

Koresh was nothing but a scum bag, attention whore. Who used religion, and in the process made his weak, spineless "followers", all pay the price for his showboating on national television for 51 straight days. It was the only way a worthless piece of shit like himself could garner a big enough audience.... At least for a while.

stop, you forget the hearings going on regarding the ATF and wanting to shut them down hence the impatience etc.

this is 100% on the gov't

 

[myronman3]

He could have given up at ANY point

oh? you mean like when the building was on fire and they were shooting people coming out to escape the flames?

The government made several pleas for him to do just that

yeah, "pleas". you've swallowed the bullshit narrative. looked like a lot of pleas being made when the atf tried storming the place. that was a goat fuck from the word go, and they handled it WRONG from the get go to the aftermath. answer me if the real reason they had to storm their way in was for the safety of children, why the FUCK was the ATF the agency? if you are dumb enough to believe that line of shit, then you are too stupid for me to waste time on. i am hoping you can see that and realize "something dont add up here"

the only people that showed any decency was the people in the compound when they let the atf pick up their wounded.

"I got confused reading the last paragraph. Are we still talking about David Koresh or all the career politicians and bureaucrats our system has created?"

as i've said before, the only reason he fell on the wrong side of things, is he wasnt sharing the spoils of his little thiefdom with the politicians. God only knows how far he could have risen if only he spread it around a bit to the "proper" people.

this is 100% on the gov't

yup. everything he did would have been overlooked if his last name would have been "biden" or "clinton" or "kennedy" or "pelosi" or....you get the idea.... EVERYTHING. call me a liar.

so are all you guys that hate koresh, do you get as pissed at joe, hunter, and the rest of those pedo fuckwits?

 

[cas6969]

Koresh KNEW he could have ended this peacefully AT ANY TIME.

They also could have arrested him peacefully in town two weeks before.


"Hey, those people are stockpiling arms because they're afraid we're going to attack them. What should we do?"

"I know, lets attack them!"

Government at work.

 

[hollowoutadime]

Koresh KNEW he could have ended this peacefully AT ANY TIME.

There is some truth in that.

After Day 1, if Koresh was a rational actor, he should have realized that there was "no way out". Realizing that, he should have let the innocents go.

After Day 1, the ATF knew there were innocents in the compound, and should have worked to secure their release.

On both sides, pride got in the way.

Assigning a number for guilt? Hard to say.

ATF 80% (mostly incompetence, acting the bully, etc.), Koresh 20% (taking innocents for your cause)

 

[billt]

They also could have arrested him peacefully in town two weeks before.

You could say the same thing about a cancer patient. Gee, if he would have gone to the doctor 3 months ago, when he first had pain, they could have saved him. It's all bullshit, pure and simple. What didn't happen before has nothing to do with what Koresh did after.

The fact is he could have let them go at ANY TIME after the standoff had transpired. He had 51 DAYS. He didn't because he was using them for his own protection, in order to keep them out. The kids died because Koresh did not, or would not release them after countless pleas to do so.

If that isn't a classic case of child endangerment, I don't know what the hell is.

 

[billt]

ATF 80% (mostly incompetence, acting the bully, etc.), Koresh 20% (taking innocents for your cause)

I would put it at no better than 50% / 50% for Koresh, or less. He was a "priest", "preacher", and a supposed self proclaimed, "prophet". If you talk to any or all of those types, the salvation is ALWAYS in the children......... Unless of course, you need human shields.

Everyone who was involved in this whole fucked up fiasco, were rational thinking adults..... Or at least were supposed to be.

 

[billt]

so are all you guys that hate koresh, do you get as pissed at joe, hunter, and the rest of those pedo fuckwits?

Yes. Why, don't you?

 

[myronman3]

while i have vast amounts of contempt for anyone who hurts kids, what really pisses me off is a system that protects those people.

i dont know to a certainty what went on in with koresh and the people with him. do i have my suspicions? yup.

i submit to you, hunter and joe, and the rest of the corrupt ilk that is seated in power right now (and in those days), are entirely WORSE than the boogeyman they HAD to take down. i've said it before, and i'll say it again....koresh's biggest crime was that he didnt share his spoils with those that brought him down.
he would have made a great addition to the clinton crime foundation family. his vision was too small, and my money says that those in power were pissed he was horning in on their area of specialty.

The fact is he could have let them go at ANY TIME after the standoff had transpired

so as to your claim.....let's look at that. specifically, when the final raid began. i ask you to address the FACT that government shot down those trying to flee. you said "at ANY TIME". well, during the raid was "at ANY TIME". so what about that?

do you fucking realize, that if soldiers half way around the world in a war zone did what the government did in waco, they'd court martial everyone involved? YET, you are A-oh-K with what they did to american citizens in AMERICA. and to you, it is the victim's fault. this is my point.

moreover.....who is to say, that IF a person came out, that IF they made it out without being shot, that they wouldnt try to destroy you and lock you away forever? imagine being there, and experiencing the attempted siege the first time. you are going about your business, then suddenly people are trying to gun you down. how fucking willing are YOU going to be to trust that you can "come out with your hands up" and not get gunned down? keep in mind, when they did try, they were indeed, gunned down.

was koresh a scumbag? quite likely. but i say that the people in there with him, didnt deserve to be shot down/burned down like that. it was a simple case of the government flexing and NOT wanting to do things the rational way. here is our muscle, and FUCK YOU......fuck ALL OF YOU. and whether you realize it or not, that was a pivotal point in gov's behavior. they realized they could do anything to anybody, and no one would do shit. and this has and WILL impact YOU and your family.

 

[MadDuner]

Governments around the world are always killing the victims - while pretending to be the good guys.

 

[myronman3]

and i am the asshole here. sheesh. this is why i am very fucking fickle about who i help. if i didnt have kids, i'd be sitting back and really enjoy watching it all burn down.

 

[billt]

while i have vast amounts of contempt for anyone who hurts kids, what really pisses me off is a system that protects those people.

i dont know to a certainty what went on in with koresh and the people with him. do i have my suspicions? yup.

i submit to you, hunter and joe, and the rest of the corrupt ilk that is seated in power right now (and in those days), are entirely WORSE than the boogeyman they HAD to take down. i've said it before, and i'll say it again....koresh's biggest crime was that he didnt share his spoils with those that brought him down.
he would have made a great addition to the clinton crime foundation family. his vision was too small, and my money says that those in power were pissed he was horning in on their area of specialty.


so as to your claim.....let's look at that. specifically, when the final raid began. i ask you to address the FACT that government shot down those trying to flee. you said "at ANY TIME". well, during the raid was "at ANY TIME". so what about that?

do you fucking realize, that if soldiers half way around the world in a war zone did what the government did in waco, they'd court martial everyone involved? YET, you are A-oh-K with what they did to american citizens in AMERICA. and to you, it is the victim's fault. this is my point.

moreover.....who is to say, that IF a person came out, that IF they made it out without being shot, that they wouldnt try to destroy you and lock you away forever? imagine being there, and experiencing the attempted siege the first time. you are going about your business, then suddenly people are trying to gun you down. how fucking willing are YOU going to be to trust that you can "come out with your hands up" and not get gunned down? keep in mind, when they did try, they were indeed, gunned down.

was koresh a scumbag? quite likely. but i say that the people in there with him, didnt deserve to be shot down/burned down like that. it was a simple case of the government flexing and NOT wanting to do things the rational way. here is our muscle, and FUCK YOU......fuck ALL OF YOU. and whether you realize it or not, that was a pivotal point in gov's behavior. they realized they could do anything to anybody, and no one would do shit. and this has and WILL impact YOU and your family.

Blah, Blah, Blah..... The guy had 51 DAYS to release those kids, period. He didn't do it because he was a coward, and a piece of human shit who used them. End of story.

 

[EddieNFL]

Blah, Blah, Blah..... The guy had 51 DAYS to release those kids, period. He didn't do it because he was a coward, and a piece of human shit who used them. End of story.

Fortunately, we have real heroes watching our backs.

 

[myronman3]

Blah, Blah, Blah..... The guy had 51 DAYS to release those kids, period. He didn't do it because he was a coward, and a piece of human shit who used them. End of story.

really thought all that through, didnt ya?

yeah, that's a jerkoff response. it's all fun and games until it is you getting fucked over. i think @Bender posted a timeline of the way this went down on portajohn thread instead of this one. it's pretty hard to dispute the rundown they had.

 

[myronman3]

Fortunately, we have real heroes watching our backs.
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billt probably jerks off to that picture.