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A question. As a European, how do you see George Soros?

I can give you my opinion, but honestly I don't know if I should write here anymore. I am European and I feel that I have already interfered a lot in your political discussion and actually I have no right to do that.
 

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    I can give you my opinion, but honestly I don't know if I should write here anymore. I am European and I feel that I have already interfered a lot in your political discussion and actually I have no right to do that.
    You have every right o do that, just be respectful as we hold this place and our freedoms dear.

    Or send me a PM, Ive got another question Id like to ask.
     

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    No I'm saying I would let a woman have the right to compromise within the first 3 months and I think candidates that take a similar point of view will have a much better chance of getting elected.

    Do you know anyone in your circle throughout your life that has divorced? If so have you condemned them? What about all the sexual abuse the Catholic church has hanging over it's head?
    Though I gave examples of Christ, it was to illustrate commitment to an ideal.

    My stance on abortion has NOTHING to do with religion. It comes from the understanding that as soon as the sperm penetrates the egg the result is human in form, and left unmolested it will fulfill its telos, just as an acorn will become a tree and finally firewood OR LUMBER OR.... If its human it has the same innate rights that I do and one of those is to not be murdered for convenience.

    ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. Its not about politics, its about the rights of the innocent.

    So stop. If you are willing to compromise, go ahead, I cannot.
     
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    Is this the kind of "republican" we need to coalesce around?
     

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    Jesus wouldn't get elected by dems based on HIS stance on gay marriage and abortion. "Follow me and sin no more" would be HIS slogan and the dims would consider that hate speech.

    Why should we change our stance on abortion to win? Its up to the politicians to get voters to their side not the other way around. Do the Dems change course on the 2nd amendment to win? No they double down on it and get their rapid voters to go along. Why cant we do that. We have the wrong politicians on our side is why AND no lap dog media to parrot our talking points 24/7.




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    Is this the kind of "republican" we need to coalesce around?
    FMR
     

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    The abortion issue is also one of those things, that has cost the Republicans many voters to be so strict... Societies change, the population of today is different than the population of 1950. I think yes the Republicans need to change something, at least a little bit regarding the abortion issue but I'm not going to jump on thetrain for now.

    A special thought. Should you force a woman who was raped not to abort the child? (I know hard question)
    Isn't this indirectly allowing criminals to multiply their rapist DNA?
    That's what every anti-abortion guy has to ask himself.

    EDIT= I am definitely against abortion, but there should be exceptions. Just my opinion.
     
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    Your point of "republicans have been too gentlemanly to fight the same way" is the reason we need Trump the nasty ego maniac son of a bitch. Call the fake news fake news,call MCConnel an Old Crow call nancy a senile batyell the elctions are rigged cause they are.The problem is the rest of them want to be gentleman and he cant fight the fight alone.If they all back him 100%% and say it out loud and often we win period.Unfortunately these spineless Repubs want to be liked and not win.
    These spineless Republicans ARE winning. They're not on our side to begin with. They are as much the enemy as Pelosi and Schumer.
     

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    Unfortunately, it is no longer the case that every Republican is pro-gun. Too many red rinos who are part of the Republican party are anti-gun.

    bipartisan bill, red flag laws etc...
     
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    Here is another fact. For 6 fucking years which of these pricks on the Republican side gave Trump 100% endorsement and support???Oh syre they licked his boots when they needed his base and his rallys to get re-elected but when the chips were down who came out in support of him??Oh and now these same scumbags are screaming Trump must step aside for the good of the party!!!!!!!!!! FUCK THEM!!!! If they would have given him their total support he wouldnt need to step aside cause he would still be in the WH. They give Depends in Chief toatal support and commitment all the time and look at the fuck job he is doing. He has a 20% approval rating and you wont see a one of them bad mouthing him at all to the contrary they claim he is a great leader doing a great job.This is why we lose. Those twats would support Lucifer if he had a D next to his name and not think twice about it.Who was it that resurrected the party after those two cunts Romney/Ryan got waxed without the Dems needing to cheat!!!Now he must step aside??? NO McConnel/Pence?Ryan/Grahm/et al must step aside and vanish.Go away your time has come and gone so recede.
     

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    You’re being propagandized by the fake red wave thing. We took the house. Optimistic estimates were that we could get 53 in the Senate. It looks like we may end up with 51 if God is willing, which was the low estimate from the ”experts”. You’re letting what people on TV say influence your perception of reality. Sure we didn’t get governor of New York or other leftist shitholes but is that the bar we’re setting for Trump? Does he need to secure all elections in deeply blue areas to be worthy?

    53 seats.... or 51, maybe only 50 after all, and in mid-December maybe only 49.... yes 49 will end up being your true number in terms of Senate seats for Republicans.

    But I see Nevada and Arizona are totally red. At least if blue is the new red. LOL
    Screaming "Let's go Brandon" and "the election was stolen" worked so well, didn't it?

    I don't even know what to say anymore....
    The stolen election idea is not working!!! Trump is a dead horse and his big ego does not help. Anyone who thinks Trump will win the next election is obviously drunk.
     
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    by the way, no one notices that allowing abortion can be a win-win for Republicans because no one here thinks that far ahead. Remember allowing abortion might get some voters to the Republican. No matter if it is allowed or forbidden. Who would potentially have an abortion? The conservative woman who believes in God? No. Only leftist idiots do abortions. If leftist anti-gun idiots have abortions, that means fewer people growing up Democratic and voting blue in 21 years.... Potential win-win. More votes for Republicans and fewer votes for Democrats of the future generation.
     

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    by the way, no one notices that allowing abortion can be a win-win for Republicans because no one here thinks that far ahead. Remember allowing abortion might get some voters to the Republican. No matter if it is allowed or forbidden. Who would potentially have an abortion? The conservative woman who believes in God? No. Only leftist idiots do abortions. If leftist anti-gun idiots have abortions, that means fewer people growing up Democratic and voting blue in 21 years.... Potential win-win. More votes for Republicans and fewer votes for Democrats of the future generation.
    By this logic we should allow murder as long as it's the right people dying?...

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    Trey gowdy just gave an opening monologue about the Rs losing the elections with every advantage and to blame those who elevated candidates above others and those who attacked their own people. No mention of week long vote counting or fraud. Imagine that.

    His first guest says Trump guys are down because although voters are worried about democrat policies, they are ore worried about how extreme the R party is heading. LOL.

    People believe this shit.
     

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  • by the way, no one notices that allowing abortion can be a win-win for Republicans because no one here thinks that far ahead. Remember allowing abortion might get some voters to the Republican. No matter if it is allowed or forbidden. Who would potentially have an abortion? The conservative woman who believes in God? No. Only leftist idiots do abortions. If leftist anti-gun idiots have abortions, that means fewer people growing up Democratic and voting blue in 21 years.... Potential win-win. More votes for Republicans and fewer votes for Democrats of the future generation.
    So your idea is let’s pretend we’re fine with killing children in the womb so we can get more votes and then we’ll get a bonus of other ppl killing their children so they can’t vote in the future? Is that the plan? That’s fucking sick and sounds like something a leftist would say. You are the problem. “But Trump’s ego!” Lmao.
     

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    So your idea is let’s pretend we’re fine with killing children in the womb so we can get more votes and then we’ll get a bonus of other ppl killing their children so they can’t vote in the future? Is that the plan? That’s fucking sick and sounds like something a leftist would say. You are the problem. “But Trump’s ego!” Lmao.
    What’s also sick is the Las Vegas sheriff who covered up the vegas shooting is now Governor of Nevada. Imagine that. That must of been the deal.
     

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    By this logic we should allow murder as long as it's the right people dying?...

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    We do this every day... hellfire missile, reaper drone.... and yes i have zero problem with people getting killed as long as it hits the right ones!!!!

    But back to topic
    See it how you want, but every voter in the future that votes democrat is a threat. No matter if unborn or already 21+ years old. It's your country, your problem and your rights that are being taken away.

    Your current administration wants to take your guns away. No one is taking anything away from me.

    I personally think, hey if the ultra left want abortion, okay they get it and every abortion by democrats and left is one less blue voter in the future.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
     

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    We do this every day... hellfire missile, reaper drone.... and yes i have zero problem with people getting killed as long as it hits the right ones!!!!

    But back to topic
    See it how you want, but every voter in the future that votes democrat is a threat. No matter if unborn or already 21+ years old. It's your country, your problem and your rights that are being taken away.

    Your current administration wants to take your guns away. No one is taking anything away from me.

    I personally think, hey if the ultra left want abortion, okay they get it and every abortion by democrats and left is one less blue voter in the future.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
    Comparing the unborn to combatants is another false dichotomy.
    One is a tactical move and the other for convenience.
    You must be young or lack insight.
    I've yet to meet a bad child from birth but I've met more than a few that were made that way.

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    We do this every day... hellfire missile, reaper drone.... and yes i have zero problem with people getting killed as long as it hits the right ones!!!!

    But back to topic
    See it how you want, but every voter in the future that votes democrat is a threat. No matter if unborn or already 21+ years old. It's your country, your problem and your rights that are being taken away.

    Your current administration wants to take your guns away. No one is taking anything away from me.

    I personally think, hey if the ultra left want abortion, okay they get it and every abortion by democrats and left is one less blue voter in the future.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
    So killing the most innocent of human beings is equivalent to taking out a proven vile terrorist. Interesting.
     

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    the last thing I will add here. Murder, killing, abortion are absolutely not even the same. For me these things are 3 different things. But if killing, murder and abortion are the same for you. Congratulations. But I won't even try to explain that.

    But I repeat, basically I am against it but hey if the ultra left want abortion, okay they get it and every abortion by democrats and left is one less blue voter in the future.

    And I repeat for the 10th time, murder, killing, abortion = 3 very different things.
     

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  • Trey gowdy just gave an opening monologue about the Rs losing the elections with every advantage and to blame those who elevated candidates above others and those who attacked their own people. No mention of week long vote counting or fraud. Imagine that.

    His first guest says Trump guys are down because although voters are worried about democrat policies, they are ore worried about how extreme the R party is heading. LOL.

    People believe this shit.
    They’ve gone full retard. “Conservative” media outlets are full of RINOs and they have had this planned for a long time. It doesn’t look good RN but I’m holding out hope that DeSantis hasn’t been captured by RINOs. If that’s the case he and trump will align.
     

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    Truthfully it’s not that hard to grasp

    The United States has changed course for better or worse.

    2-300 years ago the colonies changed course from England and then several others followed.

    Now it’s changing course again. We may not like it or agree with it bit it obvious the path chosen is now in a different direction.

    Problem is there is no more land to colonize so we are stuck with whats at home.

    I’ve said it more than a few times to more than a few people, there are more of them then there are of us and 3 out of every 5 born are dem.

    Loosing several elections in a row isn’t collusion after a while it is just the pulse of the mob.

    Yes…it’s sucks
     

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    the last thing I will add here. Murder, killing, abortion are absolutely not even the same. For me these things are 3 different things. But if killing, murder and abortion are the same for you. Congratulations. But I won't even try to explain that.

    But I repeat, basically I am against it but hey if the ultra left want abortion, okay they get it and every abortion by democrats and left is one less blue voter in the future.

    And I repeat for the 10th time, murder, killing, abortion = 3 very different things.
    Don't try to be condescending to me you ignorant prick.
    You've been cheated out of a decent education/character that doesn't hide behind placation and convenience.
    As eagle eggs are protected so should the unborn.
    Renaming them doesn't change their nature.
    Your reasoning plays out like a German rule book from the late 30's.
    You should seek out the writings of Margaret Sanger as you would agree with her.

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    It was a question. You said you’re not from here and you have “AU” in your profile.

    believe me Austria and also Switzerland and even Germany are not disarmed. Yes, owning a gun requires a permit almost everywhere in Europe. But Austria and Switzerland and are not so bad... I'll come back to this in detail later.
     

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    by the way, no one notices that allowing abortion can be a win-win for Republicans because no one here thinks that far ahead. Remember allowing abortion might get some voters to the Republican. No matter if it is allowed or forbidden. Who would potentially have an abortion? The conservative woman who believes in God? No. Only leftist idiots do abortions. If leftist anti-gun idiots have abortions, that means fewer people growing up Democratic and voting blue in 21 years.... Potential win-win. More votes for Republicans and fewer votes for Democrats of the future generation.
    You make a few good points. But there is one problem with your abortion argument. The left has control of all levels of education. So even if it’s only the hardcore leftist getting abortions their Marxist factory schools will keep producing them in massive numbers.
     

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    yes of course NOT!!! I never said i hate ihm!, DeSantis will be attacked just as Trump is by Democrats. But that is not the important thing. The most important thing is winning, with or without Trump!

    My honest opinion, Trumps way of being, his blow out mouth is not always the best thing, politically.

    Either the Republicans manage to win in 2024 or you can say goodbye to gun rights one day. The goal should be to prevent that!!! No matter if Trump or DeSantis, it should run for office the one who has a better chance to win.
    We don't say "goodbye" to gun rights in this country like those pussies in Europe do.
     
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    Well said, but some, many, are more into hero worship rather than facing reality.

    As long as they are reasonably respectful, I appreciate the view of those abroad. A belated welcome to the Hide.
    You're correct on one point. We could use more respect here. Name-calling is not the way to garner respect, but is a sure way to lose the argument.
     

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    Never understood why people are so concerned with other people’s crotch Goblins.

    So concerned about “the children”, then complain when taxed to pay welfare and housing costs to support the kid that lady didn’t want. Or worse, is using it for a pay check. If your gona play the save the baby in the womb game, don’t bitch about the consequences... like when the population of socialist, who are out breeding Republicans, over runs the republic.

    Have any of you spent much time in government funded projects or welfare trailer parks?
     
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    Is this the kind of "republican" we need to coalesce around?
    I think he has to go in 2024 and take manchin with him
     

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    @Precision Underground Do you really think you know who I am or where?
    What do you think the AU stands for in my nick name.... A little tip, not Austria alone and certainly not Australia.

    So now to your thoughts. Guns are available for civilians in most countries of Europe and countries like Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, are by far not as disarmed as you think.😉 Trust me related to Germany, Austria, switzerland I know from personal experience.
    (EDIT: But i need to add a permit is always required.)
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    So to all those who are now trying to get me angry. When people insult others then mostly because they run out of arguments. But say what you want. Again, it is an online forum no more and no less. LOL


    You make a few good points. But there is one problem with your abortion argument. The left has control of all levels of education. So even if it’s only the hardcore leftist getting abortions their Marxist factory schools will keep producing them in massive numbers.

    Yes, you are probably right. That is one of the problems. I didn't say that's the perfect solution. Abortion is a complicated issue for you. In Europe it is not. Maybe it sounds harsh, but that's how I see it.
    More Democrat abortions = less Democratic voters in the future.

    But before more people start crying here. The topic is for me at the end. I've said it 10 times, your country, your problem. Not my problem. Nobody will come and take away a single gun from me. The whole point of the actual thread is trump or DeSantis. Everyone can read my opinion on the last 4 pages.

    I think if the Republicans want to win in 2024 then a better candidate and better strategy is needed. Screaming let's go brandon and the election was stolen has totally failed in recent years.
     
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    And the last one, what makes you think that Australia is disarmed?
    I don't live there but for all I know, restrictions yes, disarmed no.
    50 bmg is still in the game, at least according to all the shooting videos you can find online.
     

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    And the last one, what makes you think that Australia is disarmed?
    I don't live there but for all I know, restrictions yes, disarmed no.
    50 bmg is still in the game, at least according to all the shooting videos you can find online.
    Lol. You lack self awareness. Your gushing over “gun rights” that come with mandatory permits (bc why wouldn’t we have permits it’s a reasonable compromise and keeps us safe) point to a person who has been conditioned to believe that rights come from the government. You’re now at a place where not only do you not have a problem asking the govt for permission to have a gun, you actually feel gratitude toward them when they let you have one.
     

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    Never understood why people are so concerned with other people’s crotch Goblins.

    So concerned about “the children”, then complain when taxed to pay welfare and housing costs to support the kid that lady didn’t want. Or worse, is using it for a pay check. If your gona play the save the baby in the womb game, don’t bitch about the consequences... like when the population of socialist, who are out breeding Republicans, over runs the republic.

    Have any of you spent much time in government funded projects or welfare trailer parks?
    Seems like there wasn't a problem until they created the Great Society. Let's do away with that and all it's trappings. The problem will fix itself.
     

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    Seems like there wasn't a problem until they created the Great Society. Let's do away with that and all it's trappings. The problem will fix itself.
    Well, if they out number you, chances of doing that democratically become slim.

    I say this from things I have seen. Like po dunk white folks who if you don’t have a child by the time you’re 19 collecting food stamps... what are you doing with your life. The majority of these are not going to break the cycle.

    I know for a fact many her are not against killing hogs, wolves or cyotes that are a threat to their deer and live stock. What’s wrong with letting them control them selves.

    But yes the government hand outs need to stop. We don’t need to legislate kindness. Its being abused.
     

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    The Great Society created the Great Plantation. Black, white and any other color are now slaves to the government. We get to support it by force of the plantation owners.
    Well, if they out number you, chances of doing that democratically become slim.

    I say this from things I have seen. Like po dunk white folks who if you don’t have a child by the time you’re 19 collecting food stamps... what are you doing with your life. The majority of these are not going to break the cycle.

    I know for a fact many her are not against killing hogs, wolves or cyotes that are a threat to their deer and live stock. What’s wrong with letting them control them selves.

    But yes the government hand outs need to stop. We don’t need to legislate kindness. Its being abused.
     

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    God Blessed America with its geography. We have great buffers. Canada and the Article, Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Mexico and Europe. We can still fight on home ground if need be and negotiate to boot. For other countries, especially Europe, someone said they still have plenty of guns. Having them is a lot different than the will to use them.
     

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    Agreed. I also like Trump, but I have to wonder if the Swamp will have too much resistance against him winning. And, if he should win, will his term be all kinds of war against impeachments, etc. etc. Still, I also don't want it to be DeSantis unless he can find a suitable successor in FL to finish his term and run after that. If DeSantis can't pick a successor, then he needs to stay in the FL Gov. job for his full term and then run for President in 2028. If he can find a successor in FL, then he can run in 2024.

    And, besides, I have a job that is better suited for Trump and utilizes his express talents in the media. I want him to start or take over his own OTA broadcast network to compete with the MSM. It has to be OTA not cable, because cable stations can be "cancelled" easily. Hard to do the same to an OTA network. We need that to get our pro2A message across. And not just news programs, but regular entertainment that espouses a pro2A stance. This, so we can give "the sheeples" an alternative to the pablum shoved down our throats by the MSM. We can give them something to think about.
    if desantis makes half as many waves as trump did they will do the same thing to him as they did trump. the dems used to love trump before he went political. they have never been a fan of desantis.
     
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