Not my job, I'm just stating what has happenedRiddle me this....
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I'm just impressed that the norm is 1 - 2 weeks slower than the slowest USPS option.Not my job, I'm just stating what has happened
It's because ATF sends out the approvals in batches, it doesn't get mailed as soon as it's approved so wherever your approval falls between mailings will control how long you have to wait, I was lucky enough to have mine approved right before a batch shipment.I'm just impressed that the norm is 1 - 2 weeks slower than the slowest USPS option.
Mine was approved 2-28-22. Since you got yours and I haven’t maybe I just missed a batch mailingIt's because ATF sends out the approvals in batches, it doesn't get mailed as soon as it's approved so wherever your approval falls between mailings will control how long you have to wait, I was lucky enough to have mine approved right before a batch shipment.
Highly possible, they might've mailed the batch out Monday morning and yours got approved during the day?Mine was approved 2-28-22. Since you got yours and I haven’t maybe I just missed a batch mailing![]()
So I really didn't want to call and check on the status of mine until I was seeing approvals for items with similar pending dates as mine. So I called the ATF on the morning of 3/8. I was very polite and asked to check on the status of all four. The person on the other end was not rude, but was short and to the point. I provided my information, he looked it up and said all four were "Pending". Later that same day, the FFL called and said that my stamps were in.I was surprised when I got the call the my paper work was in and when I went to pick it up I noticed that the approval date was 8 days before I had called. Kinda makes me wonder if they actually check or if the standard answer is just to say it's pending
Just saw on reddit (r/NFA) a guy got his in 77 days with no rush.Has anyone received their e-forms back?
100%. As someone who has been waiting 11 months now, I hope your fingers poke through the paper when you wipe.I submitted my eform 4 on 11 Jan. This is exciting news.
The folks who filed paper form 4s a year ago are about to be big mad if these eforms start getting cranked out.
The most optimal solution to this problem is to buy more suppressors and efile them.100%. As someone who has been waiting 11 months now, I hope your fingers poke through the paper when you wipe.
I am at 9 months and 5 months, and I add diarrhea to this wish.100%. As someone who has been waiting 11 months now, I hope your fingers poke through the paper when you wipe.
I'm at 10 & 11 months, and those will be my last 2 paper Form-4's pending.100%. As someone who has been waiting 11 months now, I hope your fingers poke through the paper when you wipe.
I'm right behind you. Check cashed on March 25, 2021 for a Dead Air Mask. Damn. This has been much longer than expected.Me and my brother in law are sitting on day 352 for our first suppressors. I'm waiting till the 23rd to call again to check the status. See if I can get more out of them when they see the checks were cashed March 23, 2021.
They should have processed ALL paper Form-4's BEFORE the eForms, because I agree... I've been waiting a year from purchase date for my first Sandman-S, and my 2nd Sandman-S is at 11 months. And there's people getting eForms back already? That's bullshit. I've bought 5 cans in the last 1.5 years...3 of the 5 are home, but the last 2 paper forms are still pending, and taking forever.Not rooting against anyone to have their forms processed ASAP, but this is total BS if eforms start piling in before pending paper F4’s. Especially if the ATF is threatening a minimum 1yr wait for anyone that cancels to resubmit via eform
Starting to wonder if that was complete bullshit (1 year wait 'threat'). I put in another Form 4 (paper) on Dec 9th. A week later, they announce e-forms. I was already a week into being cashed at that point, so I'm at the very tail end. At this going rate, thousands will get their cans via e-file, before I will get mine. Good on them, but they should clear out the remaining paper forms first.Not rooting against anyone to have their forms processed ASAP, but this is total BS if eforms start piling in before pending paper F4’s. Especially if the ATF is threatening a minimum 1yr wait for anyone that cancels to resubmit via eform
Actually the average wait time was 6-8 months when I bought my last 2... The influx of Form-4's has caused a massive backlog, so no, I didn't sign up for a year long wait. And they still should have prioritized all the people waiting on paper forms for exponentially longer wait times, then the eForms.Whine, eForm, cry, unfair, blah blah blah. If you would have accepted an 11 month wait for a paper form 4 in the absence of the eForm system, you should be fine with the wait in the presence of the system. You knew the wait when you applied, and the eform system isn’t making that wait longer.
And, yeah, I’ve got apps stuck in both systems.
My last 2 paper Form4's are pending, the first one of the 2 was 4/9/21 cash date, as well. The 2nd was 5/10/21. Hoping they do a batch approval. I'll call tomorrow and find out what's going on. Not in a hurry, just getting tired of waiting when it shouldn't take this long. Already been through it 3 times, but still it shouldn't take a damn year for a simple background check and approval.Just a few weeks short of a year from my check cashed date (4-9-21) on a paper form 4. E-filed a form 4 in February. Will be curious to see which one I get 1st. Hopefully the paper form 4 but either way I need to be patient.
Called today both still pending. I probably got put back on the bottom of the stack.F4 Trust
Check Cashed 4/9/21
Pending still
F4 Trust
Check Chased 4/26/21
Pending still
Both F4s Mailed by SliencerShop so not sure one how accurate dates are for checks cashed. But the wait continues.
Nah, most paper forms are 12-13 months right now.After a 33 minute wait on the phone, I found out my 2 Sandman-S cans are both still pending (4/9 & 5/10 cash dates)... She looked and said that they still haven't even been assigned to an examiner. WTF! She said she wouldn't start worrying until 12-13 months. This is STUPID! How are some people already getting their stamps back in large batches, including some paper Form 4's from as recent as a few months ago, and mine have been sitting for almost a year and STILL not assigned to anyone!![]()
Not uncommonAfter a 33 minute wait on the phone, I found out my 2 Sandman-S cans are both still pending (4/9 & 5/10 cash dates)... She looked and said that they still haven't even been assigned to an examiner. WTF! She said she wouldn't start worrying until 12-13 months. This is STUPID! How are some people already getting their stamps back in large batches, including some paper Form 4's from as recent as a few months ago, and mine have been sitting for almost a year and STILL not assigned to anyone!![]()
I'm at 12 now, and still waitingNah, most paper forms are 12-13 months right now.
Ah, I don't know that I would call it acceptance....more like absolutely no other choice at the time. And that does not, IMO, in any way modify my view that the ATF (well, the entire Fed gov) is fucked up and absolute fucked (again IMO) this roll out up and frankly, I don't think I have to justify my ire at them to anyone.If you would have accepted an 11 month wait for a paper form 4 in the absence of the eForm system, you should be fine with the wait in the presence of the system.
No, but that's not the only way to have skinned this cat....but it is the gov so fucking it up has zero consequences.Should they have shelved it, and put a moratorium on new paper forms until they worked through all of them, then switched eforms on?
What two teams...do you mean half of the ATF examiners that weren't getting shit out in anything approach reasonable time when ALL of the examiners were working paper forms. Those two teams?So the Atf switches eforms on, and two teams work the systems in parallel.
I’m 4/6 cash date on 2 and they haven’t been assigned either as of last weekAfter a 33 minute wait on the phone, I found out my 2 Sandman-S cans are both still pending (4/9 & 5/10 cash dates)... She looked and said that they still haven't even been assigned to an examiner. WTF! She said she wouldn't start worrying until 12-13 months. This is STUPID! How are some people already getting their stamps back in large batches, including some paper Form 4's from as recent as a few months ago, and mine have been sitting for almost a year and STILL not assigned to anyone!![]()
Several people in Facebook groups have been posting within the last 2 weeks of e-form approvals.We’re getting paper stamps back damn near a year to the day, have yet to see any efiles back.
Ah, I don't know that I would call it acceptance....more like absolutely no other choice at the time. And that does not, IMO, in any way modify my view that the ATF (well, the entire Fed gov) is fucked up and absolute fucked (again IMO) this roll out up and frankly, I don't think I have to justify my ire at them to anyone.
No, but that's not the only way to have skinned this cat....but it is the gov so fucking it up has zero consequences.
What two teams...do you mean half of the ATF examiners that weren't getting shit out in anything approach reasonable time when ALL of the examiners were working paper forms. Those two teams?
IMO, this is how they should have done it and I believe that any reasonably bright middle schooler could have come up with this:
1. Continue to process already submitted paper forms.
2. Turn on the e-form system and begin accepting e-form applications
3. After #2 plus time to wring out the eventual gov software fuck ups, stop accepting any more paper forms.
4. Clear out all legacy paper forms with all examiners working on them, put the submitted e-forms into a queue, and when all paper forms are cleared begin to process e-forms. E-form initial approval times will be a bit slow (but certainly no slower than current travesty of paper form approval times) at first do to the backlogged queue, but if the e-form is more efficient (as claimed) then they will work that back log down and we will have a stable approval cycle in...whatever they are capable of...3-4 months?
Its really not that hard to come up with a reasonable and smooth transition plan....as if the gov actually ever fucking generated reasonable plans at all.
If I sound a bit abrasive, its not ire at any members as much as its just absolute frustration with this process and gov in general. Got my dander up a bit today, I guess.
Cheers
ah, I don't think that's what I said.It would be difficult to prove “half weren't doing shit” before.
Emphasis on "ALL". There are not two whole teams, right? I mean they didn't double the number of examiners to make up two teams, did they? Very doubtful.What two teams...do you mean half of the ATF examiners that weren't getting shit out in anything approach reasonable time when ALL of the examiners were working paper forms.
I did misread what you wrote. You made made the same point i made in my original post though (last week). The two teams were formed by splitting the examiners which caused the delay. I don’t think they need to kill the paper form. Efile will do that for them. Safe to say that almost nobody is doing paper filings right now in any significant number. The only real delta between you and I is you think they should hold the e-file approvals and send everybody back to paper approvals to clear the backlog. I don’t totally disagree with that, but we’re not seeing the tidal wave of e-file approvals we should be seeing right now, and I think it needs more work. There is an incentive structure here for them to make it work, since it should make their jobs easier. I think it’ll probably be completely spun up right around the time the paper forms begin to run out, which is xmas time give or take. Speculation of course.ah, I don't think that's what I said.
What I wrote was:
Emphasis on "ALL". There are not two whole teams, right? I mean they didn't double the number of examiners to make up two teams, did they? Very doubtful.
That means that they took the existing team....who were incredibly delinquent when ALL of them were working paper forms...and divided them up. Less examiners working paper forms that are still be accepted.
So, what is the result....at least paper form's delays getting even longer.
I'm sorry, but in my view this is total BS on the ATF's part and I don't see any evidence of a rational transition plan. Yes, we are at stage 3 in my little list, maybe. But, they are still accepting paper forms and still increasing the paper form backlog. I submit that they should stop taking paper forms (at some point...so, if we are at #3, then we are there, right?), ALL examiners should be working on clearing the egregious and unjustifiable paper backlog, queue the e-file submittals, and get on them after they clean up the warm mess they have with paper forms.
And I don't see that happening at all. What it appears to me is that they are still taking paper forms and processing them with less people than before thus increasing wait times. To me, this is very typical gov behavior that would never fly in commercial industry.
In my view, there is absolutely no excuse for them not prioritizing woefully delayed paper forms for any reason but in particular not to work on very recently received e-forms.
Just my opinion and we all know what those are worth! haha Have a great day.
And that's because we are both absolutely brilliant human beings!You made made the same point i made in my original post though (last week).
Yeah, I kind of thought so too. Great minds think alike and all of that hahaThe only real delta between you and I is you think they should hold the e-file approvals and send everybody back to paper approvals to clear the backlog.
My local FFL I deal with (Kat is great) has done one e-file so far and its from my very good friend @GBMaryland. She said that filing it was sort of straight forward without some of the issues that people seemed to have with SS filings early on.we’re not seeing the tidal wave of e-file approvals we should be seeing right now, and I think it needs more work.