Lol, maybe that shop is making the free cans.....
FUBAR times 6!
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That 4moa gun was safe for the bad guy down range, also, lol.
Avg shot is what ...71 yards or some shit. A 10 moa gun is lethal at those ranges.
Are you being sarcastic or are you simply not digesting the way these rifles could be deployed?
Ignore him, if it’s not made in America or Austria, he hates it off the cuff.
Pics ?
Seems like some of these conventional stocks and short scopes you need it “backwards” and even then it’s not enough sometimes.
For sure.
Most forward mounts are designed to reverse the top hemisphere if needed to close the gap between the day optic. That being said if the barrel contour is barely clearing, flipping the bridge will result in the damned thing conflicting with the barrel due to the increased taper diameter upstream from the mount. Maybe that's what was happening with the awesome lightning sticks mentioned above.
The KMW MUNSter is designed to do that and a bunch are ran in a reversed fashion with shorter scopes.
By these bafoons? I wouldn't trust them with a nerf gun. Incompetent fools with badges are more of a danger to public than an asset.
My dude, please edit the spelling of "buffoon" before someone else sees it. If you're gonna call someone retarded you have to spell it right or it loses its punch.
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It's that mark/indentation up at 1 o'clock position. I knew I took a picture of it. LOL!
That's a new feature. You can easily adjust the headspace by changing the amount and thickness of the chips and have all the peace of mind of a shouldered and torqued barrel without having to resort to a barrel nut.
You can even compensate for that reverse canted scope mount by putting additional/thicker chips at the 6 o'clock position on the receiver face to push the muzzle up.
At least the bolt knob has the tactical TP wrapped around it
Good on you Frank for doing the right thing
Good on you Frank for doing the right thing
How the fuck you get a copy of my birth certificate?
One of the 4 guns we actually cut some of it off. It was hitting the receiver when you closed the bolt and didn't want it interfering at all with the bolt closing.
So yes... we're watching all the little stuff as well.
Doing the right thing is the only thing to do.
That's the funky part. Chambers actually looked pretty decent. Every one we've checked even head spaced.
Well as an update... they brought in gun #5 end of the week before. They needed the gun back before the 11th as one of the guys that used it was going out for some LE training.
So John worked on it pretty much right away. Jeff here in the shop took it to the range on Monday last week. Box Hornady ammo shot sub 1/2moa.
Replaced the scope mount.
No bolt to barrel clearance. Bolt was hitting the breech face like on two of the other ones and the other two had only like .004" clearance. So John fixed that. He also had to break the edges on the chamber and bolt nose counterbore as the edges where all sharp.
Head space was good but John repolished the chamber.
Cut and recrowned the muzzle and rethreaded the muzzle.
Flip the night vision mount around.
Rifle #5 had a really loose fitting trigger in it. Either it's in the trigger body being undersize or the receiver from Remmy was cut to large. So we installed and loaned them a Trigger Tech trigger for now. It fit much better but still a little loose. I told them to send the other trigger back to the manufacturer and see if they can look at it and see what's up. I said when you get a new one bring the rifle back into us and will swap the triggers out. The Trigger Tech trigger we installed will be used by then so I told the shop I would buy it from the shop and put it into one of my rifles.
So other than the note on the trigger pretty much the same thing as the others so far.
Waiting on guns #6 and #7 now to come in.
So John worked on it pretty much right away. Jeff here in the shop took it to the range on Monday last week. Box Hornady ammo shot sub 1/2moa.
Replaced the scope mount.
No bolt to barrel clearance. Bolt was hitting the breech face like on two of the other ones and the other two had only like .004" clearance. So John fixed that. He also had to break the edges on the chamber and bolt nose counterbore as the edges where all sharp.
Head space was good but John repolished the chamber.
Cut and recrowned the muzzle and rethreaded the muzzle.
Flip the night vision mount around.
Rifle #5 had a really loose fitting trigger in it. Either it's in the trigger body being undersize or the receiver from Remmy was cut to large. So we installed and loaned them a Trigger Tech trigger for now. It fit much better but still a little loose. I told them to send the other trigger back to the manufacturer and see if they can look at it and see what's up. I said when you get a new one bring the rifle back into us and will swap the triggers out. The Trigger Tech trigger we installed will be used by then so I told the shop I would buy it from the shop and put it into one of my rifles.
So other than the note on the trigger pretty much the same thing as the others so far.
Waiting on guns #6 and #7 now to come in.
Well, WTF do I know...
But seems to me you need to find 1,400 yards somewhere, if you want to be proficient shooting at that range.
Any idiot can dial elevation. Learning wind calls, reading mirage at 1,400 yards you need to BE at 1,400 yards...
LOL.
Just when I thought I was being soooooo sarcastic, only a . . . . well . . . . a mentally challenged person . . . . would think I was being literal.
Holy shit! He took that bait and ripped all the line off of my Zebco 33 running with it.**
I'm pretty sure he would have done the same with a salt water surf rig.
Gotta love the internet!
I like TOTALLY need to come here more and troll for dumbasses.
**@Wannashootit . . . . To be clear, I do not have a Zebco 33 and I do not, in fact have any bait.
Apologies @Frank Green.
I didn't mean to turn your thread into a goat fuck.
What you posted and are taking the time to update us on is actually interesting and educational.
(and in case @Wannashootit reads this, )
For real.
Not being sarcastic.
I didn't mean to turn your thread into a goat fuck.
What you posted and are taking the time to update us on is actually interesting and educational.
(and in case @Wannashootit reads this, )
For real.
Not being sarcastic.
These were two of my first sarcastic thoughts also.
What a hilarious thread!
Oh, and great work as is usual, Frank! Thanks for the laughs.
Well, if you have no idea about anything shooting and are told to fab some mounts that “look like this, but add a 20 MOA cant”…
I have to post a cool thing for the day!
We received a Thank You letter from a LEO who isn't allowed to use social media and as well as wishes to remain anonymous so I will not post name or place where he's from (not a local guy).
He took the time to hand write a thank you letter and send it to us thanking us for helping the LEO snipers / community as like I said earlier here and in his letter they always have to fight for funding to get even basic equipment at times. He came across the thread and that's what prompted him to do so.
So to the guy that sent us the letter if you see this post.... Thanks and your most welcome!
Also thanks to all here who posted as well.
Later, Frank
We received a Thank You letter from a LEO who isn't allowed to use social media and as well as wishes to remain anonymous so I will not post name or place where he's from (not a local guy).
He took the time to hand write a thank you letter and send it to us thanking us for helping the LEO snipers / community as like I said earlier here and in his letter they always have to fight for funding to get even basic equipment at times. He came across the thread and that's what prompted him to do so.
So to the guy that sent us the letter if you see this post.... Thanks and your most welcome!
Also thanks to all here who posted as well.
Later, Frank
Thanks for standing by your product, Frank and fixing somebody else’s mess. As you pointed out, local police need all the help they can get. When I was having a custom rifle built my gunsmith recommended a Bartlein barrel and reading this thread I’m happy that’s what I went with.
This was my concern when I built my rifle. Finding a gunsmith that isnt a hack. So many hacks out there in every field actually. Sucks its so hard to find people that still take pride in what they do. IDK if its the cost increase on everything and everyone is taking shortcuts or what? The faster it goes out the door the faster they get paid.
I called around to some gunsmiths, stopped in and talked to them, didnt get good feelings so I emailed Bartlein and just asked them who they recommend since they are only 100 miles away. Glad I did, everything was done perfect.
I called around to some gunsmiths, stopped in and talked to them, didnt get good feelings so I emailed Bartlein and just asked them who they recommend since they are only 100 miles away. Glad I did, everything was done perfect.
So this should be the last update...
Guns #6 and #7 were brought in last Thursday. John just finished going thru #6... bad muzzle crown and bolt only had .005" clearance.
Working on #7 now... that one the crown looks pretty good but John is going to cut it off and rethread it so it matches all the rifles in terms of barrel length etc.... Gun #7 only has .001" bolt to barrel clearance so that will get taken care of as well.
Flipped the NV mounts around on these two as well. The scope bases look the same but at least no negative taper.
I'll ask the PD if they want me to shoot these last two or if they just want to come pick them up. I did ask them last week how the other 5 are shooting and they said... "all laser beams!"
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
Guns #6 and #7 were brought in last Thursday. John just finished going thru #6... bad muzzle crown and bolt only had .005" clearance.
Working on #7 now... that one the crown looks pretty good but John is going to cut it off and rethread it so it matches all the rifles in terms of barrel length etc.... Gun #7 only has .001" bolt to barrel clearance so that will get taken care of as well.
Flipped the NV mounts around on these two as well. The scope bases look the same but at least no negative taper.
I'll ask the PD if they want me to shoot these last two or if they just want to come pick them up. I did ask them last week how the other 5 are shooting and they said... "all laser beams!"
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
Thanks for the update Frank. You guys went way above and beyond for your local agency. I hope others take note and consider who they have do the work on their issue weapons.
So for these last two guns I was going to give them back to them with the old mounts on them and just couldn't do it. One rifle had two shims underneath the back of the mount and the other rifle the mount was bowed/bent call it what you want. So I took the old mounts off and put more EGW's on for them.
One rifle I was able to give them another 35moa of travel in the scope and the other rifle gave it back another 30moa of travel. So for the most part they have all the travel back in the scopes instead of them being close to or max'd out for elevation.
Guns #6&7 are done and getting picked up today.
One rifle I was able to give them another 35moa of travel in the scope and the other rifle gave it back another 30moa of travel. So for the most part they have all the travel back in the scopes instead of them being close to or max'd out for elevation.
Guns #6&7 are done and getting picked up today.
That local LE agency is truly blessed to have you nearby Frank. I couldn't have ignored a bent base either.
You and your team are awesome! Even though I’m outside the area of influence, I REALLY appreciate the work you (team) do.
As a .gov employee, this means A LOT!
Should be tasing the person who authorized and accepted that work, followed by the turds that did the work. Pepper spray their jerk juice tubes, too.
Working for a couple SOTs, I got to laugh pretty regularly at things that came in. Unfortunately for the general public, some of those things belonged to police and have fun switches. One that I like to use as a "typical" example was an M4 that just came back to an SRT guy from the "Armorer" but would go full auto in semi as well as full auto selector positions......to make it better, it didn't always stop when you let go of the trigger. The gun butcher in question was allegedly a graduate of the colt m4 Armorer course. He was also a close relative of one of the brass(holes) in the department.
Not so fast on that one. The place was recommended to them and has a o.k. reputation. Nothing horrible that I've heard of. When the PD got the guns back they looked all good to go. There was no way the PD guys have tools or the ability to check bolt clearance or poor muzzle crown work etc...
Again they gave the place the benefit of the doubt and took the rifles back for them to make them right... got them back after being reworked and still didn't shoot. So none of us know what the shop did to them to rework/fix them. If I was the PD I wouldn't have taken the guns back again for a 3rd time either. That's when they reached out to us.
It was just the right thing to do to help those guys out.
Again my point of the whole thread/story is.... just because the rifle doesn't shoot... doesn't mean there is something wrong with the barrel. In this case it was a gunsmithing issue and not paying attention to detail in the end.
Bullet makers get blamed for bullets/ammo not shooting etc.... there is more going on and things that have to work together in order for rifle/system to shoot good.
I will say this... this PD was doing maintenance cleaning on the guns. Can't tell you how many times we've gotten barrels/guns in from a customer and this just doesn't apply to a PD either where the rifle has received ZERO maintenance but the complaint is... it doesn't shoot.
