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    Concur.

    As to the bolt handle, mimic the AI. It's not just angle, but length as well. I personally feel, that putting the force for moving the bolt to the rear (and minimally offset from the longitudinal axis) makes the bolt movement "feel" smoother by not allowing a shooter to bind the bolt against the receiver wall. As we discussed earlier, I think this is why the "AI style" bolt handles are so popular with the Tikkas; they reduce the perpendicular leverage by the shooter when transitioning from unlocking the bolt to extracting (rearward movement) the case. As a result, the bolt operation just "feels" smoother. Essentially, you're pulling the bolt back, rather than dragging it back.

    Again, just my personal thoughts on this matter.
    It’s not just the angle but the dangle is just as important.
     

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    I have mixed feelings about the AI bolt handle and sweep. On my AI it's fine. That action sits really high in the stock so there is almost no circumstances where the back of my trigger finger comes into contact with the bolt handle.

    On my Tempest and also on my Barnard ( I have a custom AI bolt handle on my Palma Rifle) the position of the bolt knob as well as the depth of the actions in the stock can put me in a position where the back of my index finger touches the handle. A lot on the Barnard, to the point that I have to shoot it thumb up and cannot grip the stock at all with my thumb or web. Not so much on the Tempest in the T2, but some weird angle shit makes me go thumb on index knuckle.


    I see you have a dovetail for the handles so I assume there will be options. AI should certainly be one of them but a striated handle with a moderate ball or teardrop also works very well.
     
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    Hi,

    I will draw up a swept bolt handle and see how it lays out in relation to trigger and grip.
    As the bolt handle lays right now in Stage 1 model of chassis it is pretty hard to miss grabbing it during cycle.



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    Hi,

    I will draw up a swept bolt handle and see how it lays out in relation to trigger and grip.
    As the bolt handle lays right now in Stage 1 model of chassis it is pretty hard to miss grabbing it during cycle.

    View attachment 7117700

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    Trigger seems to sit pretty far back. Which is good for us folk with wee people hands.
     

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    Excuse my ignorance... I am fairly new to the site and relatively new to the game. What manufacturer do you represent @THEIS? I am still learning a lot about brands and companies
     

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    Excuse my ignorance... I am fairly new to the site and relatively new to the game. What manufacturer do you represent @THEIS? I am still learning a lot about brands and companies
    It's a new player in the market. I don't want to steal Theis' thunder, so will defer to him for his official press release..
     

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    looks pretty cool

    Is the rail integral or pinned, i dont see any screws up top

    thanks
     

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    thanks, was hoping so

    had some issues with non integral rails in the past...dont want to go through that again

    funny how its always the last thing you check winds up being the problem
     
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    I’m digging the action design, not knocking it by no means.

    That meme popped in my head for some reason. Lol
     

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    Are you doing rifles in a traditional old fashioned style hunting stock or all chassis type?
     

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    I hope for your company's sake it takes REM 700 style triggers. No one wants 3.5lb two-stage triggers. It just takes so much emotional energy to rationalize how you actually prefer them after you pay $8000 for the rifle with no other options for improvement.

    Speak for yourself! I actually do find myself preferring my AI trigger. It could be a hair lighter, but it’s not a benchrest rifle, nor do I use it as such. I find it to be an excellent field trigger, thank you very much! ☺
     

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    I hope for your company's sake it takes REM 700 style triggers. No one wants 3.5lb two-stage triggers. It just takes so much emotional energy to rationalize how you actually prefer them after you pay $8000 for the rifle with no other options for improvement.


    The parts diagram gave me the impression that the trigger is more of the Tikka variety. Has the single vertical screw holding it in place.
     
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    Are you doing rifles in a traditional old fashioned style hunting stock or all chassis type?

    Hi,

    We are running 50 DBMs right now and I sent a RFI/RFQ to McM (A10, A5, A4, TPR, A5 Supermag) and KMW (Sentinel) yesterday for flat top stock availability so we can look at minimizing the center chassis piece to fit into them for the traditional stock users.

    I hope for your company's sake it takes REM 700 style triggers. No one wants 3.5lb two-stage triggers. It just takes so much emotional energy to rationalize how you actually prefer them after you pay $8000 for the rifle with no other options for improvement.

    Not M700 but adjustable from 1.5 to 4 pounds.
    How did that "Comp" grade trigger work out for AI in the ASR testing lolol.......

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    How did that "Comp" grade trigger work out for AI in the ASR testing lolol.......

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    Exactly....

    Speak for yourself! I actually do find myself preferring my AI trigger. It could be a hair lighter, but it’s not a benchrest rifle, nor do I use it as such. I find it to be an excellent field trigger, thank you very much! ☺

    "Benchrest triggers" and "field triggers" are terms invented by AI owners to downplay a decent trigger like a Diamond and excuse their triggers. I've shot many a "field trigger" on sniper rifles. They all suck.

    I bought an AT a month or two ago. The previous owner had the trigger adjusted down to a decent feel, but guess what? It's not drop safe. I bought a Comp trigger from someone else used. He had it adjusted just a touch lighter than the stock AI trigger. It also is not drop safe. I bet both those guys would've told people how much they like their AI triggers.
     

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    Exactly....



    "Benchrest triggers" and "field triggers" are terms invented by AI owners to downplay a decent trigger like a Diamond and excuse their triggers. I've shot many a "field trigger" on sniper rifles. They all suck.

    I bought an AT a month or two ago. The previous owner had the trigger adjusted down to a decent feel, but guess what? It's not drop safe. I bought a Comp trigger from someone else used. He had it adjusted just a touch lighter than the stock AI trigger. It also is not drop safe. I bet both those guys would've told people how much they like their AI triggers.

    I’ll say it again. I like my AI trigger. You don’t have to believe me, but it’s true nevertheless. And it’s drop safe. ;)

    Anyway, back to the topic of the thread... :)
     

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    Will the lapua bolt face action have 1/8th thread tenon?

    Hi,

    Sorry I overlooked this earlier today when I was replying to other questions.

    The barrel thread specifications are the same for both the medium and large receivers.
    M28x1.5 with 20mm thread length.

    The breech plug has crazy fit tolerance with no threads, so it fits into receiver body then the mouth of barrel presses into the breech plug via the M28x1.5 with 20mm thread length.

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    So the action alone won’t be available?
    I hope for your company's sake it takes REM 700 style triggers. No one wants 3.5lb two-stage triggers. It just takes so much emotional energy to rationalize how you actually prefer them after you pay $8000 for the rifle with no other options for improvement.
    I actually prefer 3-4lb 2 stages. I grew up shooting NRA style where our service rifle minimums were 4.5lbs. I don’t think I own anything under 3.5lbs at the moment.
     
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    So the action alone won’t be available?
    I actually prefer 3-4lb 2 stages. I grew up shooting NRA style where our service rifle minimums were 4.5lbs. I don’t think I own anything under 3.5lbs at the moment.
    Sounds like another vote for Rem 700 style triggers. So you can use an actual Rem 700 trigger.
     
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    Looks a lot like the action Finnish manufacturer W&L Firearms marketed before they went belly-up.

    Hi,

    Good eye and international industry knowledge :).

    Some changes have been made internally since I acquired them.
    Myself and Tom have been working on this design for a while now.

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