That's a typo on the site. I'll yell at marketing next week.
Should work. We've shot them in a few 8 twists now with good results.
7.5-8 should work fine. I don't think anyone often does anything between 8 and 10 in 6mm but a 10 probably won't work.
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Any rumors of what might be in store for other calibers like 7mm?
Factory Second Match Varmint Bullets 22 Cal (224 Diameter) 62 Grain
MidwayUSA has just made a huge purchase of blemished bullets and we are passing the savings to our customers. Blemished bullets are bulk-packaged,...
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Are they actually the vt bullets? Why would they sell factory seconds before the real thing is on the shelves
I can’t stomach full price for Hornady seconds. Atleast we know they are coming.
Larry has them at the same price for the new ones coming soon. Either way I bet they are cheaper everywhere else.What makes you think that will be full price?
Iv seen enough problems with Hornady that are not seconds!
How do you tell the difference between Hornady firsts and seconds?
Seconds are sold as seconds.
Don't worry. I get it
80gr eld vt
80gr eld vt left 103gr eldx 
62gr eld vt
Well these 62 VT's aren't going to work in a 223 AR unless they like a really long jump.
I got my hopes up when @Ledzep posted .600 ogive length.
Below Left to right are 73 eldm, 62 eldm vt, & 75 eldm. Keep in mind these 62 vt's are seconds but I doubt there .100 out of wack.
The 73's shoot well in my AR's & like to be loaded long at 2.290"
All measured using Hornady 2-22 comparator.
73 eldm oal = 1.036" & BTO = .583" or for AR's it means .453" in front of ogive.
62 VT oal = 1.050" & BTO = .503" so .547" in front of ogive or .105" more jump than a 73 eldm
75 eldm oal = 1.110" & BTO = .557" & .553" in front of ogive.
The 75's don't shoot worth crap in my AR's & also sucked in my Valkyrie so I don't have high hopes.
I'll give these a go first in the 18" 7T Valk with 8208 & a 10.5" 8T 223W with Tac. If they won't shoot in the AR's I'll load some for the 26" bolt gun.
Guessing I can get 3100+ in the Valkyrie & 2750+ in the shorty 223W
I got my hopes up when @Ledzep posted .600 ogive length.
Below Left to right are 73 eldm, 62 eldm vt, & 75 eldm. Keep in mind these 62 vt's are seconds but I doubt there .100 out of wack.
The 73's shoot well in my AR's & like to be loaded long at 2.290"
All measured using Hornady 2-22 comparator.
73 eldm oal = 1.036" & BTO = .583" or for AR's it means .453" in front of ogive.
62 VT oal = 1.050" & BTO = .503" so .547" in front of ogive or .105" more jump than a 73 eldm
75 eldm oal = 1.110" & BTO = .557" & .553" in front of ogive.
The 75's don't shoot worth crap in my AR's & also sucked in my Valkyrie so I don't have high hopes.
I'll give these a go first in the 18" 7T Valk with 8208 & a 10.5" 8T 223W with Tac. If they won't shoot in the AR's I'll load some for the 26" bolt gun.
Guessing I can get 3100+ in the Valkyrie & 2750+ in the shorty 223W
The 75 eld-m are about my most accurate 223 Rem load out of my Desert Tech. I load at 2.525 with either 23.5 XBR or 24.5 Varget. They’re very sensitive to depth and need a chamber with lots of freebore.
I have a feeling the 62 VT are going to be similar.
How much jump is that in your DT?
approx 15-20 thou. Anything over 40thou with the 75 the accuracy would noticeably degrade from 3/8-1/2 moa to 1+ moa. Same thing with the 80 ELD-M, very picky on seating depth. They also need to run very hot which probably would be too hot for gassers max bolt pressure.
The SMK 80 and Lapua 77gr on the other hand, no issues with various seating depth and powder charge. SMK 80 was my favorite load inside of 500-600 yards but past that, in higher wind, the 75 eld-m would catch up and hold up better.
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Thanks. 77RDF's have been surprisingly insensitive to seating depth for me. They give up just a little BC to the 75eldm. I'll give the 75's another try in the bolt gun along with these 62 VT's
I’m definitely no expert, but I’m more curious of the length of the bullet (ogive). If it would seat properly in a 22-250 case and still have a jump to the lands, I don’t see why you would need a 1:7 to stabilize it. My 1:10 will stabilize a 62gr projectile
Length matters more than weight with stabilization and twist rates.
I wonder if at 3500 to 3550 ish a 9 twist would do it
Not sure.
They're fine in my 22" 8t Creed and they ran almost the identical speed as the 64TGKs. I got them over 3750fps but it was showing minor pressure signs. I picked a load at 3610fps and they're shooting about ½-¾ moa @600yds. The .199 BC was also pretty close out to 800yds.
Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a chance to see how much damage they'll do to a coyote yet which is what I'm really looking forward to.
I had an instock notification from MidwayUSA this morning, but they are out of stock tonight and no backorder.
Same here.
This bullet was designed for use with the 22 ARC and other short, fat, more modern cartridges. Not a .223 Rem feeding from an AR mag.
Can you link me to these mods please? I can’t find it.
53 v-max and 53g nosler BT are pretty good too.
So are these bullets designed to withstand higher RPMs than the ELDm & A-tip?
If not, then how can you run them fast enough to take advantage of the higher BC in a lighter bullet.
Hornady told me not to exceed 280K RPMs with the 90gr A-tip. That rained on my plans for a 22GT @ 3150.
If not, then how can you run them fast enough to take advantage of the higher BC in a lighter bullet.
Hornady told me not to exceed 280K RPMs with the 90gr A-tip. That rained on my plans for a 22GT @ 3150.
Here ya go. I only did the magazine so far. My preban Bushmaster lower can run 2.380" COAL with the 75 gr ELDM.
Longest internal length AR mags
What would be the magazine with the longest allowable case length for the AR15 platform? Bought a couple ASC mags that advertise 2.316” of internal length but all I could get in them was 2.270” with a 77gr Berger. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
www.snipershide.com Longest internal length AR mags
What would be the magazine with the longest allowable case length for the AR15 platform? Bought a couple ASC mags that advertise 2.316” of internal length but all I could get in them was 2.270” with a 77gr Berger. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
www.snipershide.com Some of these cartridges/ bullets are starting to become contradictions. I live at 7000ft asl and use 1:8 and 1:7.7". Those twists still limit .224 bullets to 3200 if you're trying to stay under 300K RPMs.
Thank you!Here ya go. I only did the magazine so far. My preban Bushmaster lower can run 2.380" COAL with the 75 gr ELDM.
Longest internal length AR mags
What would be the magazine with the longest allowable case length for the AR15 platform? Bought a couple ASC mags that advertise 2.316” of internal length but all I could get in them was 2.270” with a 77gr Berger. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
Longest internal length AR mags
What would be the magazine with the longest allowable case length for the AR15 platform? Bought a couple ASC mags that advertise 2.316” of internal length but all I could get in them was 2.270” with a 77gr Berger. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
I’m going to pick up a Ruger American Gen 2 when they come out. I think I’ll just go with 22 ARC. If availability on that model is an issue, I can get a .223 Rem and switch to a stock that accepts long COAL AI-pattern mags.
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Yeah, I love the idea of a Howa, but I’m gonna go with the Ruger because I’ve heard the Howa Mini magazines and bottom metal are both cheap and flimsy. I’d strongly prefer an AR mag.
I may pick up a Howa Short Action in .308 or 6.5CM because the hinged floorplate bottom metal seems much nicer than the DBM setup on their Minis.
Yeah, I definitely considered their replacements. I just tend to avoid buying rifles that I know I’m going to want to upgrade parts on straight out of the box.
I also like that the Ruger has an adjustable/swappable cheek rest. I’m picky about my scope placement, and that should eliminate a real pain point for me. I’m probably going to end up with a .223, but am very happy to see the ARCs in the lineup!
I got the 62 ELD-VT up to 3,800 FPS in a 22 Creed 1:8 twist and they didn't blow up.
At least they didn't blow up until they hit the coyote. Entrance wound, no exit.
At least they didn't blow up until they hit the coyote. Entrance wound, no exit.
80gr vt seconds 6mm arc 20" 1.75 proof stainless barrel. Lever powder loaded to mag length avg of 2915 fps with new starline brass. Five shots. Also shot this out of my 16" 1:10 twist 6mm arc with similar results.
Yup even Boyd has a stock and bottom metal for AICS with the Ruger American.
Did it blow up on the muscle/bone? That doesn't look like it penetrated very well. LMK!
No idea. I didn't check any closer than to take the pic. He died.
Fur friendly. 
How many rounds down the barrel that didn't blow any up yet?
Who's blank and what twist?
How many rounds down the barrel that didn't blow any up yet? Who's blank and what twist?
Wilson 1:8 twist. Only about 100 rounds down the barrel.Fur friendly.
Who's blank and what twist?
Can anyone confirm minimum recommended twist rate on the 174gr 308? Doesn't show on the bullet listing to me? Have a 1:12 26 inch barrel going onto an action that will be primarily used for sporter/F-TR at F class matches to 900 yards, guessing these may be marginal but it doesn't get cold here and there is usually reasonable humidity, nearly always shoot after midday so far as temperature goes too.
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I've put about 50 of them down a Bartein 4 groove 8 twist also. No issues.How many rounds down the barrel that didn't blow any up yet?
Who's blank and what twist?
Just checked OAL out of my old AR VLD magazine (2.450") and it's gonna be seated perfectly. Can't wait to snipe some coyotes with it out of my 16" WOA-barrelled AR pistol.
