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Lol no I'm not the one advocating doing b and e's plus murder on innocent citizens.
Keep up the good work though. You are showing a lot of middle of the road people where the blue gang stands. Really hurting the drug trade too with all these no knocks that you like so much. So many dead cops and civilians. So much lost treasure and rights. But it's working. Just a few more no knocks and you won't be able to find drugs anywhere
Lol you say you are for freedom and are an oath keeper. Sounds like rules for me and not for thee
I dont believe this guy ever took an oath or read the Constitution...
I don't think he could understand a bazooka joe rapper.
YAP YAP YAP
Get back to my damn cartoons.
Get back to my damn cartoons.
Here is Dunham / Grimaldi eating a little crow after threatening to kill citizens just like this jackoff in this thread.
https://abc13.com/allegations-in-drug-raid-not-reflective-of-officers-union-chief/5141440/
https://abc13.com/allegations-in-drug-raid-not-reflective-of-officers-union-chief/5141440/
not true but the lowest cook in the army still has done more this country than your demented slug ass. Oath Keeper my ass, you never took an Oath
You're making people's point, Sam. They are police, not military units. Violent as a place may be stateside this isn't Baghdad and the door kickers stateside have gotten way to eager to shoot first and sort the shit out later. If you think saying "point a gun at me you're getting shot " excuses the mass militarization of the police and the cavalier attitude about killing fellow citizens then you're part of the problem.
You want to kick doors down and lead with a Grenade of any sort there are thousands of 18X enlistment slots open.
Oh no poor vocabulary or grammar skills on an Internet forum. Maybe we can add JBT, Statist and Grammar Nazi to your badges
well you know how I like to use spell/grammaar check as noyt to upset the turbaned one,, now I have even more motivation not to type proper like or check muy spelling
So you never really served????
Another guy that has hero worship but could not cut the mustard when his window of opportunity was presented. Cowardly shitbird hero wanna bee.
Ive trained with a seal hahahahahhahhahahahahhah, who cares civi boy
Another guy that has hero worship but could not cut the mustard when his window of opportunity was presented. Cowardly shitbird hero wanna bee.
Ive trained with a seal hahahahahhahhahahahahhah, who cares civi boy
Like the due course the corrupt cop gave the man and woman he had executed?
Yeah you are .mil bad asses Ready to take down any threat
Oh unless it's a 14 year old shooting up a school. Or a couple BLM in Texas. Or a ex cop in Cali. Then you rake the bdus off and put the vagina hats on.
Bunch of pussies. Big and bad when you have an old guy with a revolver or some unarmed women to rape on the side of the road. Hide outside the school when there's a little kid with a gun.
I agree on the due process. Where I take issue is the immediate defense of the tactics. (Note I said tactics, the ones executing them are secondary at this point) Though I may be reading it wrong, it comes off to me like you are defending a shoot first, sort it out later approach. This is of course paraphrased, as there are lots of little snippets through this thread and it's hard/unfair to lump them all together.
I totally understand taking down a threat when confronted with deadly violence, however that perception is almost certainly going to be present on both sides, especially when someone who is innocent (generic, not specific to this case) is confronted with this type of violance of action out of the blue. How many can tell the difference between LEO breaching with a line charge and bubba hitting the hinges with a 10" 12 gauge? The HO is expected to make this split second decision of fight or flight.
IF the police in this case are found to have hit the wrong house, breaching and immediately shooting the dog, what is the home owner expected to do? Police(and .mil for that matter) intentional make the entry confusing. How is a HO expected to make quick, on point decisions in this sort of confusion? (I think you know, they aren't. They're supposed to hesitate and lose any advantage)
I think something is very wrong with this event. I don't know if it was the cops or the leadership who sent them but things aren't adding up. It needs to be investigated, question is who can do it objectively? Not only the event, but all the things leading up to it and the tactics used.
You mentioned the 2nd ammendment. That's great, but what about the 4th? How many more ways will all of our rights be infringed upon in the name of public safety?
Edit: I wanted to add that your assessment of complying and taking it up later in the courts is exactly what I tell my kid, my friends and myself to do on the roads. Be polite. Be honest and go home alive. 99.9% of the time will be OK. Situationally though, a car on a public street with one or two uniformed officers is a lot different than 6-9 people breaching into your home. I would like to see this practice stopped except in the most extreme cases, like hostages. You can always back off, surround and wait it out. If the person(s) are inclined to violence then they'll give you a reason to arrest them eventually. If, however it was a misunderstanding, everyone goes home alive.
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This thread has gone so very sideways, and it has now been circling for quite some time.
All ya'll, get off the broken record. Either simply stop, or say something constructive that adds to this thread, and humanity in general. We ALL get that the two sides of this particular argument are:
Law Abiding Citizens have the Right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their home.
vs.
Police should be instantly obeyed, listened to, and respected. Oh, did I forget to say "instantly" again?
Move along.... this is like a damn tennis match.
All ya'll, get off the broken record. Either simply stop, or say something constructive that adds to this thread, and humanity in general. We ALL get that the two sides of this particular argument are:
Law Abiding Citizens have the Right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their home.
vs.
Police should be instantly obeyed, listened to, and respected. Oh, did I forget to say "instantly" again?
Move along.... this is like a damn tennis match.
How about we look at history an facts when it comes to perception of swat, cops (a LEO is not a cop BTW) an law enforcement in general.
(1) Fact, one no name asshole, sent LAPD on a grandma shooting spree, an bullet hosed a suspected hide. One guy?
(2) Known drug criminals an their posse walk around free in many A/O's in this country because the locals are busy writing tickets that are more revenue generating or is it they don't have the time for possibly getting hurt, or put on the dirtbags touch list?
(3) I have seen an know of a few, who just returned from training that was itching to try out their newest muscle memory tactics. Is that the driving force with many?
(4) Why is it certain back-rounds of the guy/target on the other side of the door generate so much fear when it's a 10 to 1 or better game? Has perception failed at that point an reality started to sink in?
(5) If the "LAW" is/was working why is there so much crime, is perception gone? Or is it by design to keep the funds flowing? I'm thinking the latter myself.
(6) Why is it in A/O's where true justice or attitude adjustments for the worst dirtbags, (no matter their rags) is administrated via locals, crime rates are not even on the radar?
(1) Fact, one no name asshole, sent LAPD on a grandma shooting spree, an bullet hosed a suspected hide. One guy?
(2) Known drug criminals an their posse walk around free in many A/O's in this country because the locals are busy writing tickets that are more revenue generating or is it they don't have the time for possibly getting hurt, or put on the dirtbags touch list?
(3) I have seen an know of a few, who just returned from training that was itching to try out their newest muscle memory tactics. Is that the driving force with many?
(4) Why is it certain back-rounds of the guy/target on the other side of the door generate so much fear when it's a 10 to 1 or better game? Has perception failed at that point an reality started to sink in?
(5) If the "LAW" is/was working why is there so much crime, is perception gone? Or is it by design to keep the funds flowing? I'm thinking the latter myself.
(6) Why is it in A/O's where true justice or attitude adjustments for the worst dirtbags, (no matter their rags) is administrated via locals, crime rates are not even on the radar?
End of the day 2 citizens were murdered by the cops in their own home, badge bunnies here should not be defending that practice as the reaction will not be good for them as demonstrated by the growing distrust and outright hatred they now face that I haven't seen since the early 70's..
Not really a tennis match but a touch point with this guy to see where cops heads really are,,,, sadly he seems to be the average. and not the exception in his way of thinking
Not really a tennis match but a touch point with this guy to see where cops heads really are,,,, sadly he seems to be the average. and not the exception in his way of thinking
Long ago I though the oath keepers would be like the boys who implemented operation Eldest Son an other snake eater ventures. However I was to learn many/most where just your average LGS hang out, until Lavoy Finicum proved them to be, as you related to.
Sam, I really can’t understand your point of lobbying for due process, when the exact nature of the problem is corrupt due process.
@Sam Dunham You have also asserted these homeowners were in fact selling or using drugs. How is that not a violation of due process? I think reasonable investigative logic would wait for toxicology reports on the corpses, and a collection of evidence. The “bad apple” that has already been outed is a 30+ year veteran, the logic of the “fruit of the poisonous tree” removes ALL credibility of ALL evidence gathered by the police.
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Explain that to me. LE needs .mil training an gear why? Is it because you can't do your job w/o it, or you what to be Rambo but go home to comfort every night? The .mil boys are always looking for a few more Rambos, why not just sign up? I submit if LE in general wanted to stop crimes it could be done in many other ways.
While I agree that many of the posts have volleyed between those two points. I disagree that these points are the source of the contention here. I think this, and many other situations, are positing the questions:
Do we ALL have rights or not?
Are we ALL under the law or not?
Hi,
Well IF the POLICE or anyone else for that matter; come knock down my door while dressed in civilian clothes...guess what.......
And like it or not...The Statutes are on MY side with that.
Ever wonder in all your LEO expertise as to why the US Marshalls prefer to serve warrants while suspect is contained and visible in a vehicle instead of "somewhere" in a house that you may or may not have up to date floor plans?
They will stake out a house for days upon days just to wait for the suspect to get into a vehicle.
1. That provides them 100% confirmation of suspect "on site".
2. They know where the suspect is at instead of guessing which room in house.
3. Suspect knows that it is a LEO Organization that is affecting the arrest and not some criminal organization busting down the house door.
Sincerely,
Theis
Sam has repeatedly stated that the civilians fired on the breach team. I have already offered a$100 bet that they never fired a shot. The only people saying that they were fired on are proven liars. They have every reason to cover their ass. Let's see some ballistics and real investigation of the scene. Let's get a gun shot residue test on the victims. Let's see how many Leo's were shot in the back.
Next point. Two people dead and four cops shot. Because of an cop that lied and he is facing some bullshit charge at a minimum?
Why was this shitbag still on the job. One shooting for pissing in some guys yard and another in a road rage where he killed someone? Do you think that is all this shitbag has done? Very doubtful. Like I said before. Everyone that worked with him new he was a shitbag and did nothing about it. Now three other cops are shot and two innocent people are dead.
Fuck your"Blue Line"
Next point. Two people dead and four cops shot. Because of an cop that lied and he is facing some bullshit charge at a minimum?
Why was this shitbag still on the job. One shooting for pissing in some guys yard and another in a road rage where he killed someone? Do you think that is all this shitbag has done? Very doubtful. Like I said before. Everyone that worked with him new he was a shitbag and did nothing about it. Now three other cops are shot and two innocent people are dead.
Fuck your"Blue Line"
I could care less who fired first. He was in his house. They breached his door.. they shot his dog.. they shot his unarmed wife.. I guarantee you no one yelled police or even had a Velcro patch identifying them. No knock is unconstitutional
They teach it all the way from justice related college classes to the academy. Local law enforcement typically have a hard time sorting out the pieces of shit that exploit such a bearing even further. They pick peer mediator types that scare easily because there are way too many thugs that want to be cops. I have heard that a surprising proportion of criminals at one time had aspirations to be law enforcement, and not necessarily to be criminal about it.
If you point a gun at anyone you better fucking shoot them or expect to be shot at, nobody needs you to underline that cops are any different. Furthermore, to live for profit over dying for justice is something I regard as unequivocally unremarkable. What if the founding fathers had taken your advice to just wait to get bought out every time your very life is trampled upon?
If anyone forces their way into my home with unknown intentions I will fucking kill them as a first response. I don't care if it's the cops or the VA Lottery, you fucked the wrong door that day. I have no drugs or illegal items, there is no good legal reason to come into my home and I will fuck anyone dead who gets that wrong. No exceptions. I have a doorbell, use it.
I just wanted to quote this because it's fucking retarded and made me laugh.
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Famous question posed to witnesses who change their story: "So were you lying then, or are you lying now?"
Pointing firearms in the direction of law enforcement (or anyone for that matter) almost never turns out as people anticipate. Law enforcement hopes for, and is generally able to rely on superiority of firepower. The only time I think that law enforcement had to back down was when many people came out to support the citizens in the stand off over cattle and water against the BLM a few years ago. When the agents realized there were far more guns pointed at them than they expected, negotiation ensued.
Good point. Should be charged with the murders. Plus assault charges for the actions he took that led to the cops getting shot.
I fell off that bitch's knee at four years old and never went back. Did your's forget to put the all batteries in but it still talked so she said fuck it?
Thoroughly fucking irrelevant to the point of supporting his argument. How many more morsels of fuckery are you going to drop before you decide your utilitarian Fisher Price Jr conception of justice is being pushed on the wrong audience?
These no knock warrants are bullshit, period. They are getting more Civilians and LE shot or killed and in my eyes is the worst possible way to go about it.
Why not surround the house and get on a bullhorn? Or a PA and make known to anyone inside and to half the neighbors that LE is there and are coming in?
Theres no need for a no knock warrant. It's stupid and could be handled a million different and better ways. How is it not the most dangerous and confusing way to handle this? Hell, post the 15 officers up around the residence and make LE presence known. What's so wrong with that? How is a no knock warrant better than that?
Why not surround the house and get on a bullhorn? Or a PA and make known to anyone inside and to half the neighbors that LE is there and are coming in?
Theres no need for a no knock warrant. It's stupid and could be handled a million different and better ways. How is it not the most dangerous and confusing way to handle this? Hell, post the 15 officers up around the residence and make LE presence known. What's so wrong with that? How is a no knock warrant better than that?
I bet their survival rating is through the roof. I have a lot more respect for u.smarshals after hearing they are smart enough to not kick in doors. Weather they don’t do it out of fear or respect for rights matters not as outcome is same
Maybe you can try and be more like them and less like a banana republic "security force"
I'm not retarded enough to forget you didn't answer my question, Top Cop.
What if the founding fathers had taken your advice to just wait to get bought out every time your very life is trampled upon?
The best warrants are served on the most dangerous shitbags by people are not look at me types. Your local look at me badges, don't fit that category, an most never will.
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