How about a Police Hero?

[rem300wm]

<span style="font-weight: bold">A police officer shot at least eight times in the neck and extremities outside the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis, waved off fellow officers attempting to rescue him and indicated they should assist others still inside.

Lt. Brian Murphy, 51, was shot Sunday and is now recovering in the hospital after a second surgery, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said. The 21-year veteran of the police force is expected to survive.

"[Murphy] received eight or nine gunshot wounds, to extremities and also to the cheek area and the neck," Edwards said. "He was in very close proximity to the shooter. When he arrived, he came upon someone who was injured, and he was going to assist that individual when the shooter came around him, close to his squad, and hit him at a close distance."

The officer was wearing a bullet proof vest, Edwards said.

After gunman Wade Page was shot and killed by other officers, they moved to rescue Murphy. But when they located him, Murphy indicated that rather than help him they should enter the temple to assist any other victims.

"He had been shot nine times -- one of them very serious in the neck area -- and he waved them off and told them to go into the temple to assist those in there," Edwards said.</span>

As reported by Kevin Dolak for abcnews.com


Personally I would like to see "police stories" like this get a little more attention on these forums.

 

[klf]

Re: How about a Police Hero?

F U Maggot I just blew coffee out of my nose all over the screen and keyboard. I got this.

 

[rem300wm]

Re: How about a Police Hero?

Your response to this is levity? A post made to belittle the idea Brian Murphy, a policeman, could be a hero? An opportunity maybe to call attention to yourself in order that someone might congratulate you on your wittiness?

I think you should look a bit closer. Brian Murphy demonstrates characteristics for which we should have the highest regard. Courage, selflessness, mental and physical toughness among them.

I believe part of the idea behind honoring those who display those traits is to inspire others to cultivate them as well. Especially our youth.

Some here are quite fond of "lifting their leg" on the law enforcement profession by posting examples of policemen whom they believe exhibit none of these traits.

Often these same folks will imply the majority of the country's policemen are typified by the examples they post. I have also noticed posts by a number of these same people purporting their admiration and respect for armed forces.

I think they are insincere on both accounts. If you look closer at Brian Murphy's history I think you will see what I mean.

 

[Maggot]

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No, it was not in any way to belittle Brian. Your way off base. It was put up just to make Kif ruin his keyboard.

Lighten up.

 

[rem300wm]

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No...I am not "way off base." Maybe you meant no disrespect. That I will accept. If you post your funny someplace else I'll laugh with you. Not here.

 

[Slapchop]

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rem300wm,

 

[Maser]

Re: How about a Police Hero?

Because cops tasing children and old ladies appeals more to the media.

 

[EventHorizon]

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Lt. Murphy is a stand out human being. I thought maggot's post was out of place as well given the seriousness of Lt. Murphy's wounds if not even his sheer toughness and selflessness.

In regards to other posts here about LEOs the fact is this: no one is going to welcome the actions of those who enforce unconstitutional laws, are protected by unfair laws from being held responsible for their mistakes and also who have adopted a time and again proven policy of 'closed ranks' to criminals in uniforms masquerading as police officers.

You quite rightly pointed out that Lt. Murphy deserves to be held up as an example to emulate - by civilians as well as officers.

 

[ArcticLight]

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I guess that post got deleted.

Anyone that can take 9 shots and tell them to continue with the other victims is a hero in my book!

Remember Vincent Foster from the early days of the Iraq war?

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess that post got deleted.

Anyone that can take 9 shots and tell them to continue with the other victims is a hero in my book!

Remember Vincent Foster from the early days of the Iraq war?

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Actually I deleted it myself. Not for any particular reaon...I certainly didnt mean ANY disrepect to the individual who was shot...sometimes when situations are so dumb, a bit of levity is in order. I do generally agree with EventHorizon's posts though and that probably was a factor. And I just wanted to show that I am not anti-cop....just anti bad cop.

Personally I think that on turning 18, or finishing secondary education, every citizen should get his or her drivers liscense, CCW, and be required to do a years military service, with a boot comparable to the Marine's. Bank robbers would think twice about walking into a bank. There would be a lot less crime if EVERYONE knew how to use a 1911, and probably had one on their person. No disrespect but if people would take responsibility for themselves, and their own safety,then we would need a lot less cops.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally I think that on turning 18, or finishing secondary education, every citizen should get his or her drivers liscense, CCW, and be required to do a years military service, with a boot comparable to the Marine's. </div></div>
Not to change or de-rail this thread, but I'd add that your "one" year should actually be "three" years of potential service. With the striving goal of "two years" for the top end. Say 70% or so. That way, those who ARE serving, actually do so with gusto and aplomb, as opposed to snapperheads who're just putting in their time. And holding everyone back. Give them something to actually strive for. Then relieve those who want to go, and have earned the right to be off. And sign on those who want to stay.

 

[sictransitjosh]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Personally I think that on turning 18, or finishing secondary education, every citizen should get his or her drivers liscense, CCW, and be required to do a years military service, with a boot comparable to the Marine's. Bank robbers would think twice about walking into a bank. There would be a lot less crime if EVERYONE knew how to use a 1911, and probably had one on their person. No disrespect but if people would take responsibility for themselves, and their own safety,then we would need a lot less cops. </div></div>

amen to that

 

[rem300wm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lt. Murphy is a stand out human being. I thought maggot's post was out of place as well given the seriousness of Lt. Murphy's wounds if not even his sheer toughness and selflessness.

In regards to other posts here about LEOs the fact is this: no one is going to welcome the actions of those who enforce unconstitutional laws, are protected by unfair laws from being held responsible for their mistakes and also who have adopted a time and again proven policy of 'closed ranks' to criminals in uniforms masquerading as police officers.

You quite rightly pointed out that Lt. Murphy deserves to be held up as an example to emulate - by civilians as well as officers. </div></div>

Yes, I think Murphy is a fine human being as well. That's part of my point actually. He's a human being like the rest of us. A human being that on this day exemplified traits seldom found in a human being.

What unconstitutional laws? As I am sure you know, our country solves constitutional issues in courts of record. I think legislators are more properly held responsible for laws of questionable constitutionality.

What unfair laws? I can't speak for all states, but in my state law enforcment officers are bound and protected by the same laws as everyone else. In some instances law enforcement officers are "held to a higher standard."

I don't know of any law enforcement agency who routinely "closes the ranks" to protect criminals masquerading as police officers. The stated purpose of these agencies is to enforce the law where it is broken.

Just as you, I have witnessed many injustices. I hate those involved with the same white hot fervor as you. I too find my options for fighting against these injustices limited. Let me point out though that these injustices are perpetrated against policemen as often as by them.

I believe in order to have good people represent my interests in law enforcement, I must do what I can to point out the "good cops" and beneficial laws.

If we ignore the good examples while sensationalizing the bad, we effectively discourage the very people needed to uphold the "ideals" we expect from our law enforcement agencies.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rem300wm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I believe in order to have good people represent my interests in law enforcement, I must do what I can to point out the "good cops" and beneficial laws.

If we ignore the good examples while sensationalizing the bad, we effectively discourage the very people needed to uphold the "ideals" we expect from our law enforcement agencies. </div></div>

I completely agree with this.

In reference to the other points/questions refer to previous threads about SWAT raids and immunity clauses from when SWAT bursts down the wrong door and harms innocents as an example. Yes, some States have laws that are clearly unconstitutional and they are in turn enforced by the LEO of those states. Those are what I'm referring.

There are numerous instances of rank closing as a routine response to serious transgressions or flat out breaking of laws. I can get the details if you'd like but the most recent example I saw was of a student demonstration when officers on foot, backed up by mounted officers basically beat up a student who was clearly trying to do as the officers had wanted - to retreat away from them. In the video you basically see 4 cops beating a person with others looking on. When the onlooking officers were questioned to a man they responded - 'i didn't see the incident, I was distracted by other events.' They didn't know they were being filmed.

Both cases - the good/heroic and the bad/criminal need attention because the authority and power invested in those officer is FROM the people.

 

[Slapchop]

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Here we go... The same jerkoffs can't help but interject their brand of bullshit into a thread that has nothing to do with the Constitution, laws or rights.

This was simply honoring a hero and people have to hijack it with nonsense.

 

[fargo007]

Re: How about a Police Hero?

First, my prayers go out to his family. He is a hero any way you slice it.

Second, I can't believe stuff like this would get posted in a thread honoring him. I cannot let this go.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There are numerous instances of rank closing as a routine response to serious transgressions or flat out breaking of laws. I can get the details if you'd like but the most recent example I saw was of a student demonstration when officers on foot, backed up by mounted officers basically beat up a student who was clearly trying to do as the officers had wanted - to retreat away from them. In the video you basically see 4 cops beating a person with others looking on. When the onlooking officers were questioned to a man they responded - 'i didn't see the incident, I was distracted by other events.' They didn't know they were being filmed.

Both cases - the good/heroic and the bad/criminal need attention because the authority and power invested in those officer is FROM the people. </div></div>

A <span style="font-style: italic">"student demonstration"</span> huh?

'Demonstrating' what? The sham-wow?

It's always interesting how these videos always begin so suddenly with the beating in <span style="font-style: italic">flagrante delicto</span>, and never show the full assholia of what the person did beforehand. Let's see what happened in the 10 minutes leading up to it.

Approaching mounted officers while you are "Demonstrating" invites confrontation and the most serious of responses. Especially if you are there to intimidate, frighten, or hurt the animal, which is a frequent technique of these peaceful, sham-wow "demonstrators."

Knowing that you have never been in uniform I realize you will not understand this next part.

You will wait a long time to hear people on a team throw each other under the bus for justifiable or even marginally justifiable conduct if it is perceived as completely deserved. If it undeserved, someone will go under the bus. And that <span style="font-weight: bold">has</span> happened many times.

Remember also that the constitution works both ways. The police officer enjoys ALL the same protections, and does not have to answer any questions about his or her conduct, or make any statements at all without having their attorney present.

The same constitution that says that the police cannot force you to inform on your co-worker gives them the same protection. Except it's okay when you refuse to. When they invoke those same constitutional protections, it gets some kind of sinister name like "Rank closing."

I do hope the demonstrator learned his lesson.

God Bless ya Murph.

--Fargo007

 

[jasonk]

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You guys know how to mess up a perfectly good thread.