How the BIden admin made sure texans froze to death

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    I’d just blame every Texan who doesn’t think their government is a joke at this point, and their tax dollars flushed down the toilet. The only excuse I hear is “well XYZ state screws people even worse than TX” not a solid argument. Folks need to be more self reliant and quit viewing the state as a mother or god like figure.

    TX, like most any other state, is a joke and financial scam, I always viewed TX like the Middle East of the US, very tribal, lots of religious extremism in the people and gov, little bit of freedom which is mostly due to pop density, and overall dusty and dirty, the amount of crap I’d see on the highways was crazy, like a entire roll of carpet once, can’t pay anyone to get on that issue, but they got money to put a stupid Texas star on every damn overpass

    Also if you have a home built in like the last decade or so and have PVC pipes, you got ripped off. When people think “to code” means much, yeah trust the government on how to build a house vs doing a little self education. Add to that the fact that anyone who has a home without a central fireplace etc isn’t really critical thinking too well

    It’s kinda funny for a state that loves to say how independent they are, not so much.

    What's wrong with PVC pipes?
     

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    Nothing wrong with PVC pipes - inexpensive, easy to install, lasts forever (for it's intended purposes) - he's probably thinking of cpvc - that does suck (becomes brittle)
     

    BullGear

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    Nothing wrong with PVC pipes - inexpensive, easy to install, lasts forever (for it's intended purposes) - he's probably thinking of cpvc - that does suck (becomes brittle)

    Yeah, I know. PVC is God's gift to the do it yourself builder. Another trade that you don't have to pay for.
     

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    Anywhere you have to get a permit a licensed plumber will be installing the pvc.

    You can learn how to swett copper pipe in 5 minutes as well.

    Cast Iron and metal pipe is much harder to deal with but it also will break. (I dont mess with it)

    You really want some fun silver solder, swage and flair some stainless high pressure stuff.

    How about we do some aluminum B-nuts on hand tool formed assembles . That one is allways good for a laugh till pressure testing.

    It's a cost thing for home builders.
     

    BullGear

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    They are delicate, cool in the 90s I guess, but pex is what you seek.

    Plus if you do bust a pex pipe, you can do a very quick repair with a sharkbite fitting and a little leftover pex, like caveman simple

    That's your opinion and has nothing to do with code.
     

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    The whole Texas thing is really odd to me.

    For one it blows the idea of alternate energy out of the water, it’s like a fat kid who can’t touch his toes wanting to know how to slam dunk, if some snow takes out a major state like Texas, I laugh at the idea of reinventing energy when we can’t even get what we have now to work.
    With all the power and money Texas has, having rolling black outs like a third world country..if I lived in Texas I’d be asking for a refund for all the taxes I paid.

    They are on their own power grid, but I guess that grid needs some improving.


    Let me clear something up here. What happened over the last week was not the "weakness" or insufficiency of the power grid in Texas. Major improvements and updating have been taking place throughout ERCOT for 10-15 years now. What happened here was a perfect storm for "disaster" in supply and demand of energy and generation.

    For those who dont know, it gets to be 100+ degrees for several months straight throughout multiple parts of Texas. when its 105 degrees outside and everyone is running an electric A/C full blast, we DO NOT HAVE BLACKOUTS OR BROWNOUTS. The last of those that I know about were in Laredo and its been about 10 years. Since then, transmission and generation have kept up to keep this from happening during the summer.

    As an FYI, from May to September, there is a outage moratorium on transmission and generation in Texas. That means that they dont tie new lines in during that time, put new stations online during that time, etc. So when do they do that? Thats right.... winter time. When power demand is much lower than in the summer. Remember, that in the summer EVERYONE has an electric air conditioner. But only about half of those people use an electric heat pump in the winter and the other half heat their homes with NG furnaces and propane.

    So what we saw was about 40% of our generation capabilites down last week, and they were scheduled. i know of a wood chip burning power plant in east Texas, owned by the City of Austin, the couldnt even have come back online if they wanted to, because they were in the middle of a scheduled maintenance outage and the generators were sitting there in peices.


    the long and the short of it is, if Texas can handle all the power demand of our 100+ degree hot summers that last from April until October, every year without blackouts or brownouts, then the power grid is just FINE.

    we got screwed by maintenance decisions and some NG fired plants that were not prepared for the cold that shut down their supply lines.


    stop blaming Biden, i hate that bastard too, but Texas can take care of ourselves.
     

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    Let me clear something up here. What happened over the last week was not the "weakness" or insufficiency of the power grid in Texas. Major improvements and updating have been taking place throughout ERCOT for 10-15 years now. What happened here was a perfect storm for "disaster" in supply and demand of energy and generation.

    For those who dont know, it gets to be 100+ degrees for several months straight throughout multiple parts of Texas. when its 105 degrees outside and everyone is running an electric A/C full blast, we DO NOT HAVE BLACKOUTS OR BROWNOUTS. The last of those that I know about were in Laredo and its been about 10 years. Since then, transmission and generation have kept up to keep this from happening during the summer.

    As an FYI, from May to September, there is a outage moratorium on transmission and generation in Texas. That means that they dont tie new lines in during that time, put new stations online during that time, etc. So when do they do that? Thats right.... winter time. When power demand is much lower than in the summer. Remember, that in the summer EVERYONE has an electric air conditioner. But only about half of those people use an electric heat pump in the winter and the other half heat their homes with NG furnaces and propane.

    So what we saw was about 40% of our generation capabilites down last week, and they were scheduled. i know of a wood chip burning power plant in east Texas, owned by the City of Austin, the couldnt even have come back online if they wanted to, because they were in the middle of a scheduled maintenance outage and the generators were sitting there in peices.


    the long and the short of it is, if Texas can handle all the power demand of our 100+ degree hot summers that last from April until October, every year without blackouts or brownouts, then the power grid is just FINE.

    we got screwed by maintenance decisions and some NG fired plants that were not prepared for the cold that shut down their supply lines.


    stop blaming Biden, i hate that bastard too, but Texas can take care of ourselves.

    Evidently not. You didn't talk about the water treatments plants either.
     

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    That's your opinion and has nothing to do with code.

    No it’s fact.


    Tons of other videos on it, or just talk to a GOOD builder, pex pipe is best pipe.

    And you made my point well with “code” I don’t give two shits what some government lacky thinks, do some research and build your house properly, same reason for having a good central routed fireplace, same reason for building on a firm elevated location, etc

    trusting in .gov, gee what’s the worst that could happen in this context, let’s just look to TX at how well that worked out lol
     
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    No it’s fact.

    And you made my point well with “code” I don’t give two shits what some government lacky thinks, do some research and build your house properly, trusting in .gov, well just look to TX at how well that worked lol

    So, what lumber do you use studding out the house? #1 clear???? Give me a break with high values. PVC is more than adequate for a building to last more than 100 years. It doesn't matter if it's PVC or Pex, once you close in the wall or ceiling, it's a mess to clear up that leak.

    Pex isn't all you say it is. There are some municipalities that will not allow Pex due to it's connectors. But of course you already knew that.
     

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    Evidently not. You didn't talk about the water treatments plants either.

    what about them? one of my best friends works for a large city water utility (7th largest city in the US) that operates water and wastewater facilities.

    lift stations and pump station obviously went down. they had to since ERCOT decided to throttle power to the water utilities. not that it mattered much because the water provider couldnt pump water to many areas and therefore not a lot of flushing. there was storage capacity in the sewer system, as im not sure i heard about any sewerage station leaks.
     

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    So, what lumber do you use studding out the house? #1 clear???? Give me a break with high values. PVC is more than adequate for a building to last more than 100 years. It doesn't matter if it's PVC or Pex, once you close in the wall or ceiling, it's a mess to clear up that leak.

    Pex isn't all you say it is. There are some municipalities that will not allow Pex due to it's connectors. But of course you already knew that.

    Lolz

    Let’s just say I’m more of a 2x6 on 16 , I’m not a Texas shanty builder.

    And you have zero clue on piping, pex put together with the collars using a crimper is VERY strong, my place seems sub 0f yearly. Even playing with the quick shark bites (I keep on hand just incase) id trust over a shatterific PVC

    Again I don’t care what some lacky says, I’ll do what I need to do make a sound home, anyone who pushes for PVC over pex, I’d do the opposite of anything that person says.

    Also if PVC works so well, why does it crack up when it freezes and thaws?
     

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    Lolz

    Let’s just say I’m more of a 2x6 on 16 , I’m not a Texas shanty builder.

    And you have zero clue on piping, pex with put together with the collars using a crimper is VERY strong, my place seems sub 0f yearly.

    Again I don’t care what some lacky says, I’ll do what I need to do make a sound home, anyone who pushes for PVC over pex, I’d do the opposite of anything that person says.

    Also if PVC works so well, why does it crack up when it freezes and thaws?

    what size pex do you use when you are plumbing a water well to a cistern then back to a pressure tank and pump?
     

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    Here it is from the horse's mouth (President and CEO of ERCOT): "We appreciate the DOE's cooperation in making that happen and making it happen extremely fast."

    Watch it for yourself, you fucking neanderthal. Above quote begins at 40:02.

     

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    The gov. was generous in giving Texas 5 million in emergency aid. They gave Pakistan 25 million for gender studies this month also
     

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    But you have to admit, when the governor asked for relief and the Biden EPA denied their request to increase power output, I can blame Biden for that action.

    That action (or inaction if you will) certainly added to the disaster. I don't know how much it would have helped but people in the know seem to think it was a large contributing factor.

    Stop that!
    That story hasn't been fact checked.
    Presidents are never responsible for anything unless they are of a certain political bent.

    You will upset the Neutral Nancys in our midst.
     

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    when the governor asked for relief and the Biden EPA denied their request to increase power output

    WTF are you blathering about. The Department of Energy (not EPA) GRAAAAAAAANTED Texas's request to run the plants at full bore during the emergency. Granted. Not denied. Granted. Try again.
     

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    Not sure I want to go down this rabbit hole...but, I use the uponor propex pex. It uses expansion fittings & collars. I've used this stuff for years, maybe 10-15 so far, no leaks. You have to have the tool, Milwaukee makes it, the fittings are expensive but it works. I just ran 1800 ft of it before the storm, no problems. PVC risers on the spigots. Just sayin... Have to use PVC for larger dia. pipe. Both have their place.
     

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    ubettcha came in here thinking he was gonna prove Biden fucked Texas, and he's had his ass handed to him.
    100% Biden is gonna fuck us, all of those fucks have,will, and are going too. Everyone preaches smaller gov., then complains when we have to do for ourselves. People won't learn. I try to be positive but...I'm pretty positive people won't learn from this. ANYONE who votes Democrat, or leftist, proves my theory. All of us that vote Repub are naive to think they are different. Just sayin...
     

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    Evidently not. You didn't talk about the water treatments plants either.
    Our rural water district kept the water on throughout, no boil water notices. The employees kept our plant going and the water flowing. Unbelievable work, years of planning, mistakes, accountability and cost increases. Haters still gonna hate. Couldn't have been more proud of a group of people.
     
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    Our rural water district kept the water on throughout, no boil water notices. The employees kept our plant going and the water flowing. Unbelievable work, years of planning, mistakes, accountability and cost increases. Haters still gonna hate. Couldn't have been more proud of a group of people.

    I applaud that effort. I'm sure it wasn't easy. My question would be whey couldn't the other areas do the same thing? Were you not hit with the near zero temps or was it just hard work that prevented a shutdown?
     

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    I was born the son of a master plumber, and I've been called a son of a bitch.
    I was sweating copper by 12 years old, retired from water and wastewater industry with 33years on the books. Water taps, sewer taps, from the main to the faucet, I've laid more pipe than Ron Jeremy.
    PVC or copper below grade and up to house. Copper or PEX in the walls and under the house. Brass fittings and compression rings for PEX with pop tool.
    PEX is superior to even copper. PEX WILL stand to be frozen without busting. If its been frozen to expansion, it should be replaced.
    PVC/cpvc is shit above grade. At 10 degrees it will shatter like glass if you put it in any bind at all. All PVC will eventually get brittle above grade.
    Mess around with some old PVC at freezing Temps and you'll find out what it means to "work a leak hot".

    Copper was king, but after they worked the kinks out of PEX it was far superior to copper.
    When it was gray, and called Quest, it was shit. The plastic fittings were shit, the pipe would crystallize as well. That product. Is not what is used today. Ignorance is however very tenacious.
     

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    I applaud that effort. I'm sure it wasn't easy. My question would be whey couldn't the other areas do the same thing? Were you not hit with the near zero temps or was it just hard work that prevented a shutdown?
    Nope, we got the weather as well. Because of the growth in our area, we have been trying to prepare, be able to provide for the needs of our community and do so locally. The rural water districts were originally intended as a place holder until the larger municipalities took over. Our community decided to resist that and incorporated. The responsibility fell on our district to provide for ourselves. And so we try, we have been the target of a lot of hate for the costs and the slow roll to growth but...is what is. The reason we were able to provide during the weather ultimately fell on hard work, local decisions and more hard work.
     

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    I was born the son of a master plumber, and I've been called a son of a bitch.
    I was sweating copper by 12 years old, retired from water and wastewater industry with 33years on the books. Water taps, sewer taps, from the main to the faucet, I've laid more pipe than Ron Jeremy.
    PVC or copper below grade and up to house. Copper or PEX in the walls and under the house. Brass fittings and compression rings for PEX with pop tool.
    PEX is superior to even copper. PEX WILL stand to be frozen without busting. If its been frozen to expansion, it should be replaced.
    PVC/cpvc is shit above grade. At 10 degrees it will shatter like glass if you put it in any bind at all. All PVC will eventually get brittle above grade.
    Mess around with some old PVC at freezing Temps and you'll find out what it means to "work a leak hot".

    Copper was king, but after they worked the kinks out of PEX it was far superior to copper.
    When it was gray, and called Quest, it was shit. The plastic fittings were shit, the pipe would crystallize as well. That product. Is not what is used today. Ignorance is however very tenacious.
    For my home, I used a compression, crimped copper. Can't remember what it was called, for the mechanical look. Way cool stuff, used for the manifolds, tankless water heaters, exposed pipe etc... I think rigid makes the tool that crimps it. Heavy tool and awkward as hell but hard to find anyone that takes pride in copper pipe anymore.
     

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    Take you missed the point.


    Does 40° north count?

    If you don’t get how building cheap McMansions with cheap PVC, no central fireplace, no back up gen sets, etc helped cause their problems, no

    Shitty building practices and garbage state infrastructure is 1000X more responsible for their 3rd world issues than Biden is.... I’d really like to blame that senile segregationist whenever I can, this just ain’t one of those times.

    I also REALLY don’t want my tax dollars, which I already pay way to much of, to go into fixing issues of people who made shit choices.
     
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    If you don’t get how building cheap McMansions with cheap PVC, no central fireplace, no back up gen sets, etc helped cause their problems, no

    Shitty building practices and garbage state infrastructure is 1000X more responsible for their 3rd world issues than Biden is.... I’d really like to blame that senile segregationist whenever I can, this just ain’t one of those times.

    I also REALLY don’t want my tax dollars, which I already pay way to much of, to go into fixing issues of people who made shit choices.
    3rd world conditions? Keep showing you don't know shit about what you're talking about.

    There's a value component to building everything. I can design and build something that will never fail. The issue is no one would pay what it costs. There's no reason to build shit to the standard of a once in a 100 year weather event.

    Things built in Texas are just fine. Not everyone needs a gen set for weather that was last that cold in 1989.
    And I'll be damned if we need some smug Monday morning QB from the East Coast to tell us what needs to happen now.
     

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    If you don’t get how building cheap McMansions with cheap PVC, no central fireplace, no back up gen sets, etc helped cause their problems, no

    Shitty building practices and garbage state infrastructure is 1000X more responsible for their 3rd world issues than Biden is.... I’d really like to blame that senile segregationist whenever I can, this just ain’t one of those times.

    I also REALLY don’t want my tax dollars, which I already pay way to much of, to go into fixing issues of people who made shit choices.

    It's too late. The point is in orbit by now.
     

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    3rd world conditions? Keep showing you don't know shit about what you're talking about.

    There's a value component to building everything. I can design and build something that will never fail. The issue is no one would pay what it costs. There's no reason to build shit to the standard of a once in a 100 year weather event.

    Things built in Texas are just fine. Not everyone needs a gen set for weather that was last that cold in 1989.
    And I'll be damned if we need some smug Monday morning QB from the East Coast to tell us what needs to happen now.

    I’m not from the east coast

    And yeah, build McMansions and have McMansion problems

    Using PVC vs pex is just being cheap, having fancy flooring and a security system but not paying a few bucks for a gen set is silly, having a gun because “better to have one and not need one etc etc” but not have a generator and rely on the incompetent city types to keep your family warm/cold/food from spoiling, I just don’t get that logic. Not having a modest gen set is the same as not having a gun because the city will have me

    I’d call rolling blackouts and no power very 3rd world. The fact that a little snow caused it, that’s just sad.

    Not smug, just amused in a gallows humor way, and confused, with the whole TX situation.
     
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    Funny thing is they’ll just keep building the same cheap way, like the people who keep building in flood zones.
    Would love to hear your genius thoughts on all about the people building in flood zones. Maybe you can tell us about Atlas 14, finished floor requirements, no rise certifications, and studied vs unstudied zone A determinations?
     

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    Some of you that think I can't blame joe and his ho for the failed electrical grid, frozen city water systems the iced up roads and every wreck they caused and in summation the God Damn cold front to begin with.

    You are wrong.

    The last four years have shown me that the president can and will be blamed for everything including you running out of toilet paper or having your finger break through it while wiping your shit stained ass.

    An entire month has slipped by and I think it is high time we impeach the dirt bag sniffing the toilets in the White House.

    It doesn't matter what for, the last four years have set a precedent.

    Let's see pedo joe try and go 2 and 0 in the cesspool, his turn to tread water.
    # impeach joe now
     

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    Would love to hear your genius thoughts on all about the people building in flood zones. Maybe you can tell us about Atlas 14, finished floor requirements, no rise certifications, and studied vs unstudied zone A determinations?

    I have silly thoughts like not building in flood zones, having a good working central fireplace/wood burning stove, using best materials like pex vs pvc, running the snow load calculator, etc. stuff like that

    I don’t claim to be in the industry, not the career I’m in, but sadly with people who do claim to know the industry but say nonsense like using PVC is fine, well I end up having to have a little fun learning a few things so my homes won’t end up like the McMansions in TX. Some was just stuff I learned by experience. To each their own, but when it get quasi cold for a few weeks and your house falls apart, call me crazy, but I don’t think you’re doing something right
     

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    I have silly thoughts like not building in flood zones, having a good working central fireplace/wood burning stove, using best materials like pex vs pvc, running the snow load calculator, etc. stuff like that

    I don’t claim to be in the industry, not the career I’m in, but sadly with people who do claim to know the industry but say nonsense like using PVC is fine, well I end up having to have a little fun learning a few things so my homes won’t end up like the McMansions in TX. Some was just stuff I learned by experience. To each their own, but when it get quasi cold for a few weeks and your house falls apart, call me crazy, but I don’t think you’re doing something right
    I appreciate that you admit you don't know what you're talking about, and I will agree with you that you don't know what you're talking about.

    Thanks
     
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    I appreciate that you admit you don't know what you're talking about, and I will agree with you that you don't know what you're talking about.

    Thanks

    That’s a scary part, you claim you do

    Please show me how PVC is better than pex, I’d love to hear it

    Also please explain to me why a central fireplace is a bad idea and why building in a flood area is a good idea.
     

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    That’s a scary part, you claim you do

    Please show me how PVC is better than pex, I’d love to hear it

    Also please explain to me why a central fireplace is a bad idea and why building in a flood area is a good idea.

    I never said any of those things. But I don't have to in order to know you're grasping at straws and don't know what you're talking about
     

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    I never said any of those things. But I don't have to in order to know you're grasping at straws and don't know what you're talking about

    Ok, I’m grasping at straws, so

    How is PVC better than pex?

    Why is building in a flood zone good

    Why is having a central fire place bad?

    Why is a generator bad?

    You have established your theory that I have no clue what I’m talking about and I’m obviously wrong. My main points in this thread were what I listed above.

    So go on.....
     

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    Ok, I’m grasping at straws, so

    How is PVC better than pex?

    Why is building in a flood zone good

    Why is having a central fire place bad?

    Why is a generator bad?

    You have established your theory that I have no clue what I’m talking about and I’m obviously wrong. My main points in this thread were what I listed above.

    So go on.....

    oh good Lord, here comes the spoon feed.


    to your Pex love affair, how many houses in the giant state of Texas are older than 15-20 years old? id say a lot. How many new construction houses are built within the last 10 years, are using pex? a lot. So what is your actual point about Texas and pex? Should several million homes rip out PVC and copper and go back with pex when the actual incidence of a waterline within a home seeing below freezing temperature over the next 30+ years will be nearly zero? pex is fine, so is PVC. they have their place. Pex is actually susceptible to rodent damage. to play devil's advocate, pex will see infinitely more interaction with chewing rodents than it will with exposure to sub-freezing temperatures in most every part of Texas.

    question for you: my buddy had his booster pump on his well completely freeze and crack the casing on the pump. Can you explain how pex could have helped him in this instance? should he have used it like electrical shrink wrap around the pump, or wrap it in pex like a baseball bat handle??


    you keep saying people are building in flood zones.... because no they are not. flood plains are heavily regulated and it takes a hell of a lot of hoops and criteria that is needed to actually build within a regulated fema floodplain. Now, there were houses and have been houses built where floodplains were then delineated around them. Should they have to tear down their homes if they have never been flooded, just because they are within a flood plain? for your FYI, Atlas 14 rainfall data is going to revise floodplains to where a shitload more people, who have never seen or been involved in a flood event, will be within a floodplain.

    in short, depending on what the area is, building in a floodplain could be perfectly fine and 100% prudent. in other places its not. but your blanket statements are ignorant.

    no one ever said having a fireplace is bad... how do you have one in ALL multifamily apartment buildings? where would the firewood be stored? why would those fireplaces be necessary south of Corpus Christi where the temperature gets below freezing once every 5 years or so? Fireplaces are fine, but if people dont want to pay to build them in their houses, they dont need to. end of story.

    nothing is bad about a generator but there are millions of people who live in apartments, and there are millions who live in single family houses. most houses in Texas have rarely, if EVER, experienced a WINTER power outage. contrary to the dumbassery in the media, millions of people in Texas last week DID NOT LOSE POWER. so, you are pushing that every family should own some sort of a generator? one that in all likelyhood will never get used? that just doesnt make much sense at all.


    your main point in this thread is that everything is built cheaply in Texas because McMansions and we should immediately start building them like they are located in northern michigan, regardless of the actual geographical conditions or weather conditions, and regardless of cost. my point is that you're wrong and you should feel bad for being wrong.
     

    BullGear

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    Excellent response. I've decided he'll be ignored if he keeps up this chest pumping tirade.

    As my aunt used to say, God Bless his little pea pickin heart. Maybe he doesn't know any better.
     

    Charger442

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    Excellent response. I've decided he'll be ignored if he keeps up this chest pumping tirade.

    As my aunt used to say, God Bless his little pea pickin heart. Maybe he doesn't know any better.
    Just got out of a meeting with a guy whose copper line out of the water heater froze and busted. Guess what can't be connected directly to hot water heaters?

    You guessed it! PEX
     

    UKDslayer

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    I did read where they decided where to cut power and to whom, if true, that will surface, not good if true.
    Biden had nothing to do with this shit show.
    You have my curiosity peaked. Of course puppets aren't responsible. If its something negative and someone other than Trump/conservatives are responsible I HIGHLY doubt we will hear about it.
     

    Choid

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    Has the South risen again, yet?
     
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