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^doesnt look like ur fits A1. Regardless RRS was first
Sounds like enforcement would be a bit challenging.
Well not if they don't hold a patent or trademark.
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Well... this is just a single example, but I was having a chat with my boss last night about photography stuff. He started telling me about the new Leofoto tripod that he bought, and then went on about how maybe it isn't quite an RRS, but he likely wouldn't buy RRS in the future because the Leofoto stuff was so much cheaper... and this is coming from a guy who is at zero loss for funding. If he wants it, he buys it, no questions asked.
There's a lot of reasons why I'd personally save my pennies and buy RRS over Leofoto, but sheer price vs perceived performance is going to sway a good number of buyers.
Yes, they just don't like it when somebody is better at copying than they are.
They are no strangers to copying someone else's stuff, they're just mad it happened to them.
Maybe you can explain the inspiration for your leveling wedge kit. Strange how similar it is to the Arisaka one:
you mean SPUHR?Yes, they just don't like it when somebody is better at copying than they are.
They are no strangers to copying someone else's stuff, they're just mad it happened to them.
Maybe you can explain the inspiration for your leveling wedge kit. Strange how similar it is to the Arisaka one:
i'd hardly call a VYCE a copy of a hog waddle though
Yes, they just don't like it when somebody is better at copying than they are.
They are no strangers to copying someone else's stuff, they're just mad it happened to them.
Maybe you can explain the inspiration for your leveling wedge kit. Strange how similar it is to the Arisaka one:
Pretty sure Spuhr did it first....
so then Remington should sure every custom action company who took a basic design and changes a shitload of stuff to make it better?
and by that token back to the early 1800's when the first bolt action was made
what do u think Trump has been talking about when talking about china stealing our technology? China fucking copies everything they can. They invent nothing. I have Arleness accessories on my HD. U can find chinese made ones on ebay that even has their stamp
Gonna need you to explain how the RRS Wedge is somehow better than the Spuhr or Arisaka wedges.
They literally took the same design and lasered their logo on it.
The same as LeoFoto did.
im talking about the vyce and hog saddle not a wedge
So knocking off stuff, so long as it's inexpensive, is OK.....?
Maglula is made in Israel so it is not just US made products being copied.
”Free Market” doesn’t mean free-for-all. It means the government acts as referee and sets the rules that apply the same to everyone. Then the referee does not act as a player in the game. China is a communist oligarchy where the government IS the businesses. There is nothing free about it. It’s pretty much communism for all the work and workers, but all profits go to the families of the Chinese Communist Party leadership, which really have become the nobility in a feudalist system.
Feudalism is really the most accurate way to describe China today. There are serfs and lords.
Feudalism is really the most accurate way to describe China today. There are serfs and lords.
Relatively cheap design patents are probably better for mitigating stuff like this from a whack a mole perspective. Not sure what amazon’s process is but one might be able to use them similar to a trademark because any idiot can look at one and go, well, that other thing looks exactly the same so they must be in the right. By relatively cheap it’s ~3-4k vs the 12-15k for a utility filing, and that’s with 100 or so variations in appearance.
The problem is... neither China nor Amazon nor eBay give a fuck.
More or less, but Amazon at least has processes by which you can report and frustrate with relatively minimal effort. They’re not going to care in isolation though, as it’s not their job to enforce your IP. As I said, whack-a-mole.
Agreed. I have a leofoto tripod and ballhead. Didn’t have an issue with it because it’s noticeably heavier than RRS and the ballhead is a different design.
Buy, after seeing this, I’ll be switching over to RRS out of principle.
Ahhh, ok. Yes I know counterfeiting is a global problem. One issue is companies that use chinese manufacturing to produce their products, say Nike for example, so all the Nike technology is there. Then these same manufacturers or associated manufacturers produce "gray" or "unauthorized" copies of the Nike product. I thought "Magula" was US product and why I asked if it was US manufactured. I have little sympathy for any company that exports manufacturing to china and then has chinese counterfeits to contend with.
IP is tough to protect. People have to keep in mind that patents are only as good as you're willing to defend them... defense is EXPENSIVE. The intermittent wipers trials are a great example of this.
You've got no patent then it's gloves off... especially if you off shore it.
What RRS is facing is called Wanton Infringement.....the item LeoP makes looks and functions identically to the RRS item.
If they don't have at least a design patent, they're screwed
If they have patents but don't want to defend them, they're screwed.
Patents expire.... So the Chinese gunpowder argument isn't a thing.
Patents don't prevent anyone from improving an existing patented design and seeking patents on those improvements.
Nike spent a lot of time and money producing airbags for their shoes in the USA - this is/was the key technical component of Nike Air products. These were shipped to Asian manufacturers to be installed. They also set a shit ton of money aside to actively pursue cases against anyone who knocks their shit off or infringes on their trademarks, design and utility patents. So does Intel, GM and any other company that can afford to.
If they don't have at least a design patent, they're screwed
If they have patents but don't want to defend them, they're screwed.
Patents expire.... So the Chinese gunpowder argument isn't a thing.
Patents don't prevent anyone from improving an existing patented design and seeking patents on those improvements.
Nike spent a lot of time and money producing airbags for their shoes in the USA - this is/was the key technical component of Nike Air products. These were shipped to Asian manufacturers to be installed. They also set a shit ton of money aside to actively pursue cases against anyone who knocks their shit off or infringes on their trademarks, design and utility patents. So does Intel, GM and any other company that can afford to.
It is hardly free market when one takes your name, lists your patents, and lists a false country of manufacture. Which one is the counterfeit? Packaging was the same. They both even list the same US, Can, and Israel patent numbers on the opposite side. Packaging was similar although I did not keep either. One does everything it was supposed to do, the other does not. One was purchased at Amazon, the other at a reputable gun shop.
BTW - the one on the left is the counterfeit.
BTW - the one on the left is the counterfeit.
I own an RRS SOAR setup, and am glad i paid the extra money for American-made.
"The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten."
My only nitpick with them is, why do you charge me almost $20 to ship one tiny little adapter plate (B76) to my house?
"The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten."
My only nitpick with them is, why do you charge me almost $20 to ship one tiny little adapter plate (B76) to my house?
so i guess i'm a little confused, are u saying Hog saddle and the pig field tripod are copies?
I don’t think that anyone said that.
I keep seeing tripods mentioned in this thread and I'm wondering if RRS holds a design patents for a tripod?
I completely see and agree with the ball head infringements and labeling w/ SOAR but why is everyone bagging on the tripods?
I completely see and agree with the ball head infringements and labeling w/ SOAR but why is everyone bagging on the tripods?
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Is there a patent for a "tripod"?
it's like about anything though, about anything are looking to purchase, u can find a dozen of the exact same "design" but if u change anything just a little , it's not considered copy infringement from what i've always understood. Maybe i'm wrong.
The tripod, per se, has existed for before even cameras existed. It's not patentable. One could place a design patent on a particular look/feel for a tripod. It appears that RRS holds multiple patents related to tripods - specifics about their designs. You'll have to read through them and see if anything jumps out. I don't have a Leofoto tripod, so I can't assess if Leofoto is violating any of the patents I see.
The ones mentioning the tripods are mainly suggesting they may stop using them because leofoto is knocking off the other items.
It’s hard to claim you don’t support ripoffs when you buy the stuff that isn’t ripped off made by the same ripoff manufacturer. Supporting a company is supporting a company.
I'm NOT saying to purchase Leofoto tripods. I'm asking if RRS holds any specific tripod patents that are also being copied by Leofoto or any other tripod manufacturer. The examples shown in the OP are clearly copies, at least to the naked eye.
I would suggest looking to Horus Vision as they seem to be able to keep a tight leash on their intellectual property as I'm not seeing any copies of those anywhere. At least I haven't seen any.
I would suggest looking to Horus Vision as they seem to be able to keep a tight leash on their intellectual property as I'm not seeing any copies of those anywhere. At least I haven't seen any.
thats cause people take the horus and made it better
He's well known for protecting his intellectual property. It's why it's $300-$400 more for one of their reticles vs. any other. Whether or not you prefer it or think there are better, I do and likely wouldn't pay the premium for one, is your decision. My point is it is well protected.
Good luck finding a scope that's 100% American made
Watched a show about this on Netflix called Broken.
It talked about the immense task of enforcing customs and stopping Chinese counterfeit goods. Although it was about cosmetics it transcends all industries of consumer goods.
NOTHING will change unless manufacturers can get a class action lawsuit aimed at Amazon, Ebay, or any of these sites that facilitate the easy sale of counterfeit goods.
It talked about the immense task of enforcing customs and stopping Chinese counterfeit goods. Although it was about cosmetics it transcends all industries of consumer goods.
NOTHING will change unless manufacturers can get a class action lawsuit aimed at Amazon, Ebay, or any of these sites that facilitate the easy sale of counterfeit goods.
@dbrister - I told you all your stuff was second rate China crap!
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Enforcement need not not apply if your own government employees inside Beltway sucks the Ballsack of Amazon, Ebay, Nike, GM, Walmart...etc. and impeach the POTUS who rocks the boat and slows business as usual .
https://www.winston.com/en/thought-leadership/the-current-status-of-enforcing-us-judgments-in-china.html
how many years in your life have you seen this writing on a label ?, It's a western institution and never going away . A fat wallet kicks the shit out of conscience and consequences .
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Cant say that I remember ever seeing that label before.
Just sayin, your company alone cant take on the goliaths but get enough companies together and it may be able change things. The blatant in your face infringements show you its only going to get worse.
Imagine if you set the presidence that any site facilitating the sale of counterfeit goods could be held accountable.
