This is actually a really good point and one I had not thought of before. As our society moves further away from "physical" labor and more towards "mental" labor, a physical abnormality would not hinder the success of an individual. It may hinder reproductive success. I guess another question would be do individuals with the genetic defects actually reproduce at a significant rate? If not, the mutation is not passed from that individual so does it matter (unless it is a familial trait). Whom better to champion that idea, Stephen hawking.
He would be dumb struck with what they have done with CovidMuch like everybody goes on about Gobbels being such a propagandist, and forget that Gobbels was in awe of the amazing propaganda machine that the USA government had put together in the run up to WWI and only hoped to one day come close to being as good.
Funny how everybody blames the National Socialists for their Eugenics programs, then conveniently ignores that it was the "Medical science" and academics both in this country and in England and western Europe that were actually the leaders in the whole Eugenics movement for the beginning of the 20th century. People gloss over and ignore all the horrors that doctors with the full approval of the government did here and all the dogma the academics here were putting out.
Much like everybody goes on about Gobbels being such a propagandist, and forget that Gobbels was in awe of the amazing propaganda machine that the USA government had put together in the run up to WWI and only hoped to one day come close to being as good.
But isnt it a drain on society as a whole?
Those loyal to humanity have a duty to abort those who are "undesirable".
No?
The reality is, these situations don't really exist except as footnotes in medical journals. The argument that it is acceptable to kill your baby if he/she presents a life-threatening situation to the mother is complete BS. First, yes, sometimes moms die while giving birth, it is sad and unfortunate but it does sometimes happen.I'm talking about earlier in the pregnancy. Not the third trimester.
Doc
Eptopic pregnancy, high blood pressure as to the point of it affecting the heart and circulatory system. Gestanial Diabetes where insulin isnt controlling it.Do you have even one example of an illness that would cause this?
Yeah, I thought the same thing, which is why I deleted that post. I knew a girl who had an ectopic pregnancy, it was scary. I often wonder if she didn't cause it though by slamming heroin and every other drug in the world in to her body for years. I was referring to healthy pregnancies though, an ectopic pregnancy can't be carried to term.Eptopic pregnancy, high blood pressure as to the point of it affecting the heart and circulatory system. Gestanial Diabetes where insulin isnt controlling it.
Those are a few.
Just saying
Doc
But isnt it a drain on society as a whole?
Those loyal to humanity have a duty to abort those who are "undesirable".
No?
Speaking from an evolutionary standpoint,(disregarding moral arguments) would it not be beneficial to only propagate the genes of the most "fit" individual?
At what point do we stop propagating genetic material that does not confer fitness? Could the advancements of science actually lead to a less fit and overall ill-adapted species?
Just throwing these questions out there, I am not stating we should kill babies with defects. I interested in a scientific counter argument (not emotional, nor religious based).
From an amoral position, yes. Pretty sure many cultures did so in the past. Sometimes it was survival of the species and sometimes out of convenience. I'm convinced Chinese parents often kill their female children for want of a male.
Call it religion, emotion or whatever, but right and wrong are part of the argument. If there is no wrong, then right doesn't exist. If that were the case we would have The Purge 24/7/365.
Ectopic pregnancy removal is not an abortion. It’s outside the uterus. Baby can’t survive even if left alone. You don’t abort a pregnancy for preeclampsia, you deliver it. I’ve heard of one abortion in the last 12 years for inability to control gestational diabetes but the girl was a non compliant insulin dependent diabetic to begin with. A big part of me thinks it was an excuse between her and her OBGYN. I could be wrong though as I wasn’t a part of it. Had never seen it before abd never since.Eptopic pregnancy, high blood pressure as to the point of it affecting the heart and circulatory system. Gestanial Diabetes where insulin isnt controlling it.
Those are a few.
Just saying
Doc
I'm impressed with the civility of this thread. Lol
Right, theres your opinion and feelings being brought into a discussion.Ectopic pregnancy removal is not an abortion. It’s outside the uterus. Baby can’t survive even if left alone. You don’t abort a pregnancy for preeclampsia, you deliver it. I’ve heard of one abortion in the last 12 years for inability to control gestational diabetes but the girl was a non compliant insulin dependent diabetic to begin with. A big part of me thinks it was an excuse between her and her OBGYN. I could be wrong though as I wasn’t a part of it. Had never seen it before abd never since.
Right, theres your opinion and feelings being brought into a discussion.
You proved your point.......
Doc
I was just looking for a scientific counter argument. I am not a proponent of it. Biologically we are all animals and fitness rules survival among the other species in the animal kingdom.
Thats some of the most idiotic stuff I have read today.If it's a democrat go ahead and ice pick it.
You would have to make the great assumption that humans are better than nature/God at this process.
Whether it is nature or a divine being, you would need to presume that humanity in all its regular stupidity can or could do this better.
We try all the time with animal husbandry, but for every perfectly working Labrador Retriever there are long lists of genetic defects that the breed carries and an incalculable number of failed lines of defective dog breeds. For every dog lover that discusses the benefits of a pure bred, there is a dog owner that has a perfect mutt running around.
Biological diversity is the key to a robust species. Picking and choosing winners based upon temporal perceived superiority would leave us vulnerable to the whims of nature's diabolical and incomprehensibly creative plotting to wipe us out.
From the non-secular angle, I would point to the lessons of the tower of babel and the last time the hubris of humanity sought to out do God on a monumental level.
Either way, it is a recipe for disaster.
Our species has invented a vast array of transportation modes. This has caused the intermingling of different genetic mutations. Over time, would this not lead to homogenization of our genetic code, thus a less diverse species?
Having a mixture of many of the best parts of different genes tends to often make for an evolutionary advantage.
I'd say we are unlikely to reach a problem with genetic stagnation as a planet anytime soon unless we all continue hiding in our homes and countries on a long term permanent basis. But even then, our genetic code may just revert to the time proven mixing methods of waves of creatures raping their way back and forth across the continents.
i think there is some truth in this.Moral judgement aside. Abortion, Gun Control, Religion, ... and now COVID are really just tools of the politicians to manipulate the voters. They are emotionally motivating topics that really should be left to either the individual or the community that is directly affected.
I remember freshman biology and being taught that up until a certain "age" that human embryos were indistinguishable from other vertebrate embryos... I remember duck embryos being one of the examples... Of course the implied logic was, "See, they really aren't 'humans' at this point."My logic on the subject is that a human embryo cannot be anything else but human, and that the deliberate termination of a human embryo cannot, by definition, constitute anything other than homicide. Arguments about the age of of an embryo are evasive and without merit, because very simply, that embryo cannot, by any means, develop into any other species but a human.
Greg
^^^^this35 States Allow Babies Born Alive After a Botched Abortion to be Left to Die - LifeNews.com
“Can you look me in the eye and tell me that I shouldn’t be alive?” That was the question 14 abortion survivors never got to ask America. Fox Sports, the host of this year’s Super Bowl, refused to air their ad. Maybe they were afraid of creating controversy. Or maybe, they were worried about...www.lifenews.com
What a sick country we live in! This is so wrong!
ok, but if she has the sole authority over the life or death of the child, the sperm donor should not be financially liable for it.A woman should have the rights to decide.
It's her body.
I would utterly agree, as long as her action only affect "her body".A woman should have the rights to decide.
It's her body.
About 70,000 years BP, most all humans were killed so that there were only about 3000 total survivors. That means every woman on earth is your sister.Our species has invented a vast array of transportation modes. This has caused the intermingling of different genetic mutations. Over time, would this not lead to homogenization of our genetic code, thus a less diverse species?
Complete fiction.
A foetus isn't a person.
Complete fiction.
When does a fetus become a person? At what point does it become murder to kill your baby grumpy fart? Do you think you should be able to kill the baby 3 days before it's born?A foetus isn't a person.
Death penalty and abortion comparison is a false equivalency.Here is something to make you get out of your comfort zone and truly think:
If you do not fully support Planned Parenthood and Abortion then you are more at fault then the progressive socialist that are destroying our country, no matter your religious beliefs. I am not trying to insult anyone’s beliefs. Keep believing what you want and practice your beliefs. Just don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. I am simply pointing out facts that need to be said.
Here is the reality of it. We are at war for our country and out way of life. In war death is a fact. If you look at the numbers, then you must support it. As an example, here in Texas in 2019 the numbers speak for themselves. 83% of all the abortions were in areas that vote blue. Only 26% were white woman. Is that racist? No, it is simply stating a documented fact. What this tell me is that if we not only allow it but also fund it is not affecting likeminded people.
Title 10 funding, Federal money for Planned Parenthood and abortions, was a plan by Conservatives to combat the Democrats Welfare acts in the 1960’s. All of those that do not support it are taking away a weapon in this war on freedom. All of you that call yourselves Patriots and Americans, would you send the American Military to fight in the middle east without their best weapon?
If you do not think we are at war for our very existence, then you are either a fool or simply lying to yourself. Have your beliefs, rather religious or cultural, that is fine. I am not saying you should not. I support that. Just don’t be like the libtards on the left and project those to all people. If you do not want a gun, then do not own one but do not take that away from me. That is what we say to the left. If you do not want an abortion, then do not have one but do not take that away from me.
There is already too much hypocrisy. One side supports the death penalty, and one supports abortion. Both are murder.
Not everyone is capable of fighting in a war. That is why less then 1% of Americans have been in the Military. And of that number, even less actually go out and shoot people in the face. If you are not emotionally capable of doing that then don’t tell me how to do it. I never had an issue with it. The same goes for the war for freedom here. If you are not capable of making the hard calls that will help win the war, then be quiet and stay back and let those that can do it make that call.
The Moral high ground is and excuse that losers use. Winners do not need to say it because they won. So, if you are fine being a looser then great, move over and let the winners take over.
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it is worse in real life.Complete fiction.
A foetus isn't a person.
Death penalty and abortion comparison is a false equivalency.
Coined by politicians using their failed logic.
One is without fault.
One has proven they cannot live within the constraints of society.
In fact they have more than likely deprived others of their lives.
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