Is something going on in Ukraine?

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    could be russian disinformation?

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    could be russian disinformation?

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    Kind of like when the original National Socialists were badly losing the war, instead of using their remaining forces and energy to fight the enemy, they used them instead to go after their own population accusing them of being disloyal and murdering civilians by the thousands.

    It seems the Ukranian versions of the National Socialists are possibly following the same playbook.
    After all, many of them were willing supporters and collaborators when the original National Socialists first rolled in.
    (Later they found out their new best buddies actually wanted to exterminate them, or rather any that were left after they used them as cannon fodder).

    Almost like history repeating itself it seems.
     

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    CBS News: Ukraine military aid doesn't always get to the front lines: "Like 30% of it reaches its final destination".
    Maybe its time to start looking for some gear , so that us poors can keep up with German and where better than Ukrainian bazaar
     

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    Victor Bout is like “Please, oh Please, Please, Please Baby Jesus, please trade me for that basketball guy……so much money to be made. I swear Baby Jesus….me for the Dude and I tithe handsomely, please……”
     
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    There is lots of money to be made , fuck you and your pretend a democracy is what Ukrainians are saying, maybe they can aid FBI raiding Trump and other political opponents of Brandon , they have lots of experience with that.

    ''Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said the retraction by CBS was not enough and called for an investigation into the documentary. “Welcome first step, but it is not enough … There should be an internal investigation into who enabled this and why,”

    In the documentary, Ohman described the corruption and bureaucracy that he has to work around to deliver aid to Ukraine. “There are like power lords, oligarchs, political players,” he said. “The system itself, it’s like, ‘We are the armed forces of Ukraine. If security forces want it, well, the Americans gave it to us.’ It’s kind of like power games all day long, and so eventually people need the stuff, and they go to us.”

    Other reporting has shown that there is virtually no oversight for the billions of dollars in weapons that the US and its allies are pouring into Ukraine. CNN reported in April that the US has “almost zero” ability to track the weapons it is sending once they enter Ukraine. One source briefed on US intelligence described it as dropping the arms into a “big black hole.”
     
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    There is lots of money to be made , fuck you and your pretend a democracy is what Ukrainians are saying, maybe they can aid FBI Raiding Trump and any other political opponents of Brandon they have lots of experience with that.

    ''Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said the retraction by CBS was not enough and called for an investigation into the documentary. “Welcome first step, but it is not enough … There should be an internal investigation into who enabled this and why,”

    In the documentary, Ohman described the corruption and bureaucracy that he has to work around to deliver aid to Ukraine. “There are like power lords, oligarchs, political players,” he said. “The system itself, it’s like, ‘We are the armed forces of Ukraine. If security forces want it, well, the Americans gave it to us.’ It’s kind of like power games all day long, and so eventually people need the stuff, and they go to us.”

    Other reporting has shown that there is virtually no oversight for the billions of dollars in weapons that the US and its allies are pouring into Ukraine. CNN reported in April that the US has “almost zero” ability to track the weapons it is sending once they enter Ukraine. One source briefed on US intelligence described it as dropping the arms into a “big black hole.”
    Do I hear a whirlwind that will need reaping?
     

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    Steve 'the potato sack' Segal in Donbas visiting the Detention center where Ukrainians wiped out POWs

    I guess Chernobil was not enough.How to recreate Fukushima?
    Much of the propaganda spew on Zaporizhia was triggered by the Ukrainian attack on the plant of Aug. 5th. That damaged transformers and power lines that tripped safety protection systems on Unit 4 (then at full power) resulting in a scram and shutting it down. A reactor trip is always a BIG deal ANYWHERE when a reactor is at full power. It remains in shutdown today - neither the IAEA, Energoatom (state nuke operator) nor the World Nuclear Association have reported it being restarted or brought back on line.Reactor 4 is not in cold shutdown. Secondary reactions are still happening, producing decay heat. It takes several weeks for the reactor to cool to the state where forced cooling is not needed. An electric power supply is absolutely necessary during this period. There may be no way of safely shutting down a nuclear power plant without outside electricity or functioning diesel generators.
    That only leaves Unit 1 and 2 reactors operating - the other four are reported in various stages of a shutdown. Now, any further insane Ukrainian attack could damage equipment resulting in another reactor trip leaving only one running. That, itself, is an unsafe condition as that reactor (and the spent fuel cooling pools of all six reactors) must rely on outside power for backup. The plant has emergency generators, but they're located outside. The generators and their fuel supply are extremely vulnerable to damage from shelling or drones.

    The Fukushima nuclear disaster happened because of a loss of electric power. The earthquake caused a SCRAM of all reactors. The tsunami flooded the backup diesel generators. Connection to the power grid was also lost, likely because of the earthquake. Three reactors reached meltdown.

    All of these effects can happen in Zaporizhia if the power plant comes under heavy shelling. But i guess we can not handle any news that shows the Ukrainian regime in a bad light.CBS shat their pants and deleted the parts of the documentary posted, AI apologized although it has not retracted its report.

    Zaporizhzhya NPP is one of the four operating NPPs in the country and generates up to 42 billion kWh of electricity, accounting for about 40% of the total electricity generated by all the Ukrainian NPPs and one-fifth of Ukraine’s annual electricity production.
    The Zaporizhzhya NPP consists of six pressurised water reactor (PWR) units commissioned between 1984 and 1995, with a gross electrical capacity of 1,000MW each.
     
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    Steve 'the potato sack' Segal in Donbas visiting the Detention center where Ukrainians wiped out POWs

    I guess Chernobil was not enough.How to recreate Fukushima?
    Much of the propaganda spew on Zaporizhia was triggered by the Ukrainian attack on the plant of Aug. 5th. That damaged transformers and power lines that tripped safety protection systems on Unit 4 (then at full power) resulting in a scram and shutting it down. A reactor trip is always a BIG deal ANYWHERE when a reactor is at full power. It remains in shutdown today - neither the IAEA, Energoatom (state nuke operator) nor the World Nuclear Association have reported it being restarted or brought back on line.Reactor 4 is not in cold shutdown. Secondary reactions are still happening, producing decay heat. It takes several weeks for the reactor to cool to the state where forced cooling is not needed. An electric power supply is absolutely necessary during this period. There may be no way of safely shutting down a nuclear power plant without outside electricity or functioning diesel generators.
    That only leaves Unit 1 and 2 reactors operating - the other four are reported in various stages of a shutdown. Now, any further insane Ukrainian attack could damage equipment resulting in another reactor trip leaving only one running. That, itself, is an unsafe condition as that reactor (and the spent fuel cooling pools of all six reactors) must rely on outside power for backup. The plant has emergency generators, but they're located outside. The generators and their fuel supply are extremely vulnerable to damage from shelling or drones.

    The Fukushima nuclear disaster happened because of a loss of electric power. The earthquake caused a SCRAM of all reactors. The tsunami flooded the backup diesel generators. Connection to the power grid was also lost, likely because of the earthquake. Three reactors reached meltdown.

    All of these effects can happen in Zaporizhia if the power plant comes under heavy shelling. But i guess we can not handle any news that shows the Ukrainian regime in a bad light.CBS shat their pants and deleted the parts of the documentary posted, AI apologized although it has not retracted its report.
    And this is why we don’t need nuclear power. It safe and clean until it isn’t. Then its way big super bad.
     
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    And this is why we don’t need nuclear power. It safe and clean until it isn’t. Then its way big super bad.

    The actual death tolls from nuclear reactor accidents are a lot less than the death toll from other industrial plant accidents.
    It's just the whole scary thing that the media hypes.
     

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    And this is why we don’t need nuclear power. It safe and clean until it isn’t. Then its way big super bad.
    Nutjobs trying to damage Nuclear powerplant with HE is beyond 'design parameters'

    But to be fair if you blew up a major hydroelectric dam , you would kill more downstream than meltdown in Ukraine would

    Lingering Legacy: Millions of Toxic Solar Panels That Can’t Be Recycled Destined for Landfills

    Wind turbine end of life -> toxic landfill.

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    Nutjobs trying to damage Nuclear powerplant with HE is beyond 'design parameters'

    But to be fair if you blew up a major hydroelectric dam , you would kill more downstream than meltdown in Ukraine would

    Lingering Legacy: Millions of Toxic Solar Panels That Can’t Be Recycled Destined for Landfills

    Wind turbine end of life -> toxic landfill.

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    Two wrongs dont make a right. I dont really care about the txicity of windmills or solar panels for purposes of this coversation. My comment was exclusively geared toward nuke plants.

    Your comparison of that and a dam failing are not the same. Nuclear has long range impacts - thousands of years, along with decreased survivability of people exposed to radiation, either through external exposure, inhalation or ingestion. But i'll run with your examples fore the sake of argument - we have proven we can't even dispose of the waste of a simple windmill consumable part, yet we stupidly still use them. We are to somehow believe that we are able to control highly toxic and radioactive elements when things begin to fail? I'm not buying it. Fukashima is example #1, with Tepco lying about most everything concerning that shit show, to this day.

    One good earthquake along the Mississippi and when the radiation goes down to the Gulf - bad deal. Why the US puts reactors on known fault lines is a mystery to me. If we are stupid enough to build one there we are not intelligent enough to fix the overall issue of going critical. I'm pretty well stuck on this opinion and not coming off of it. Too many morons that would be in charge of the immediate and long-term cleanup to have any chance of success.
     
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    Nutjobs trying to damage Nuclear powerplant with HE is beyond 'design parameters'

    But to be fair if you blew up a major hydroelectric dam , you would kill more downstream than meltdown in Ukraine would

    Lingering Legacy: Millions of Toxic Solar Panels That Can’t Be Recycled Destined for Landfills

    Wind turbine end of life -> toxic landfill.

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    We should ship these back to China. I bet if we paid someone in China $$ to take them, they would. USA then wouldn't have to worry about our landfills.
     

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    We should ship these back to China. I bet if we paid someone in China $$ to take them, they would. USA then wouldn't have to worry about our landfills.
    The whole recycling market changed a few years ago when China quit taking the worlds "trash" for recycling
     
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    The whole recycling market changed a few years ago when China quit taking the worlds "trash" for recycling
    Lets go upriver , say Mongolia. Give back China's toxic stuff and watch it flow south into China.
     
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    I'll just leave this here the first quote in this was a pisser! ;)

     

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    gonna have to watch it, it's been a while

    there they are, commie bastards
    Mikey - "Well, actually they're not communists anymore, they're a federation of independent liberated states"
    Don't make me hurt you Mikey
     
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    So hows about those explosions at the Saki base in Crimea??

    Russian media seems to be ignoring it.

    Hearing claims of multiple RUAF aircraft destroyed, munitions vehicles 1 civilian dead and a dozen injured.
     

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    So hows about those explosions at the Saki base in Crimea??

    Russian media seems to be ignoring it.

    Hearing claims of multiple RUAF aircraft destroyed, munitions vehicles 1 civilian dead and a dozen injured.
    i saw and maybe posted some pretty big explosions, but i haven't seen anything since either.
     

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    Two wrongs dont make a right. I dont really care about the txicity of windmills or solar panels for purposes of this coversation. My comment was exclusively geared toward nuke plants.

    Your comparison of that and a dam failing are not the same. Nuclear has long range impacts - thousands of years, along with decreased survivability of people exposed to radiation, either through external exposure, inhalation or ingestion. But i'll run with your examples fore the sake of argument - we have proven we can't even dispose of the waste of a simple windmill consumable part, yet we stupidly still use them. We are to somehow believe that we are able to control highly toxic and radioactive elements when things begin to fail? I'm not buying it. Fukashima is example #1, with Tepco lying about most everything concerning that shit show, to this day.

    One good earthquake along the Mississippi and when the radiation goes down to the Gulf - bad deal. Why the US puts reactors on known fault lines is a mystery to me. If we are stupid enough to build one there we are not intelligent enough to fix the overall issue of going critical. I'm pretty well stuck on this opinion and not coming off of it. Too many morons that would be in charge of the immediate and long-term cleanup to have any chance of success.
    Do you have any actual hands-on experience with nuclear power, either construction or operation?
    I do both in commercial and military reactor core components and construction.
    The Japanese shit show was a result of very bad planning and siting of the different structures that support the main reactor.
    Nuclear power is the safest on record.
    Prove me wrong.
    Oh, and my grandfather was killed in a coal mine cave in.
    I worked with mixed oxide fuel core components, some highly enriched Pu240 and never got over exposed to my daily or even yearly dosimeter readings.
     
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    Do you have any actual hands-on experience with nuclear power, either construction or operation?
    I do both in commercial and military reactor core components and construction.
    The Japanese shit show was a result of very bad planning and siting of the different structures that support the main reactor.
    Nuclear power is the safest on record.
    Prove me wrong.
    Oh, and my grandfather was killed in a coal mine cave in.
    I worked with mixed oxide fuel core components, some highly enriched Pu240 and never got over exposed to my daily or even yearly dosimeter readings.
    Not sure what your grandfather has to do with this convo, doesnt seem relevant at all.

    I'll leave this here:

     

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    That is a lot of irreplaceable equipment out there.

    If this was a Ukrainian strike... Game changer.

    Hopefully an updated sate image is released.
     

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    Not sure what your grandfather has to do with this convo, doesnt seem relevant at all.

    I'll leave this here:


     
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    That is a lot of irreplaceable equipment out there.

    If this was a Ukrainian strike... Game changer.

    Hopefully an updated sate image is released.
    Nah, that's just another Ukrainian copium. Plenty of official articles and videos as well as other info on telegram. 1 dead and 13 injured. 1 SU24 burned down. No rockets fired.