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Exactly right…^^….and a sign that you are intelligent and know some ME history. Unlike quite a few in this thread.Israel has also been targeted from day one. Bombings, invasions, hijackings, mass shootings, kidnappings, embassies targeted, rockets, missiles, incursions…. 24x7x365 for 70 years ish.
We have one harbor bombed and we unleash Armageddon. A couple of buildings dropped and we go berserk.
If the ME left Israel alone and focused on their economies, the place would be an economic powerhouse and a paradise for everyone. But the a-rab shitheels are too backwards to think anything but tribal revenge.
TE Lawrence predicted it in a book on 1920. He was dead nuts right.
Belligerent? We have been worse than Israel
For 130+ years…. Trying to spread Jeffersonian democracy around the world. While claiming “we’re the guys who want to be left alone.” The Global Mrs. kravitz. Busybody do gooders.
Israel would not mess with anyone if everyone (including a ton of folks here in USA) weren’t an existential threat. But everyone is. Because everyone needs an enemy and for 3,000 years+ it’s been the Heebies.
Sirhr
FFS Howard….everytime I think you may be showing a spark of intelligence you make sure to prove me wrong.In that youre wrong, my friend. They have been an enemy for 3500 years. Read the story of what they did to the original inhabitants when they crossed the Jordan River. Nearly every place they go they make enemies. Their intent is global domination and will destroy the world trying to achieve that.
I have nothing against good, decent, compassionate Jewish folks, but Fuck the Israeli's.
BTW, did I say
FUCK THE ISRAELI'S
Name these well funded allies who would stop a blockade?Iran has well armed and well funded allies. If it was that simple, the situation wouldn’t be what it is.
The Birth of a Nation??yankees 7 LAA 3 .......now y'all can go back to your juneteenth movies
i was checking my tv guide for the old movie zulu but i don't see itThe Birth of a Nation??
Israel has also been targeted from day one. Bombings, invasions, hijackings, mass shootings, kidnappings, embassies targeted, rockets, missiles, incursions…. 24x7x365 for 70 years ish.
We have one harbor bombed and we unleash Armageddon. A couple of buildings dropped and we go berserk.
If the ME left Israel alone and focused on their economies, the place would be an economic powerhouse and a paradise for everyone. But the a-rab shitheels are too backwards to think anything but tribal revenge.
TE Lawrence predicted it in a book on 1920. He was dead nuts right.
Belligerent? We have been worse than Israel
For 130+ years…. Trying to spread Jeffersonian democracy around the world. While claiming “we’re the guys who want to be left alone.” The Global Mrs. kravitz. Busybody do gooders.
Israel would not mess with anyone if everyone (including a ton of folks here in USA) weren’t an existential threat. But everyone is. Because everyone needs an enemy and for 3,000 years+ it’s been the Heebies.
Sirhr
Well, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING.....But who else will I blame for my own failings if I can't blame the evil Jews?
~ Every dumb ass bigot ever
Call me what you like. Most on here know or are becoming aware, I'm right.FFS Howard….everytime I think you may be showing a spark of intelligence you make sure to immediately dissuade me.
“Global domination”? I’m B really trying hard not to call you an abject moron.
Well, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING.....
now, Afghanistan is officially Jew free, since the last Jew died a few years back.
We will see who Afghans' blame now for their issues.
"As of 2021, there were no Jews reported to be living in Afghanistan"
because...... that's what they'll be getting??If we bomb them, it will be on the 25th.
But who else will I blame for my own failings if I can't blame the evil Jews?
~ Every dumb ass bigot ever
Answer one question.And since I was a wee lad just learning about things like Terrorism and "Death to America" chants and Burning American Flags and rescue missions...
Ask the American Indian first.Answer one question.
Why do they hate America.
I can answer that in 4 words..."Because we support Israel."...Who, by the way stole/seized/ _____, the land from the inhabitants.?
If a bunch of filthy rich, heavily armed, foreign Fill in the blank came with a handful of excuses and seized that farm you live on, and kicked you to Staten Island, how would you react. What would you do? Welcome them sith open arms?
Be honest.
Thats not the issue here, stick to the topic at hand.Ask the American Indian first.
Do your own research. Are you jewish?Name these well funded allies who would stop a blockade?
Maybe that's what's going to happen in your "topic" of conversation. Iran's religion is why they are fucked up.Thats not the issue here, stick to the topic at hand.
But to answer your question, they fought until they were all but exterminated.
Bet he was Sunni Iraqi - they hated the Shia Iraqis and the Iranians who supported the Shia militias. The Sunni Iraqis would hiss when they said Persians. Americans will never understand the pure hate between Sunni and Shia and similar tribal/religious groups.After toppling Saddam's regime I was at Bmt base watching one of my sons graduation ceremonies.
There was one person in my sons Squadron that stood out he was way older and didn't fit in .
My son called him over to talk .
Come to find out he was an Iraqi informant that had helped us in that conflict and to gain citizenship he was enlisted in our army.
He told me to pay attention because he had only one thing to say.
Tell your government " You must attack and destroy Iran" and he walked off.
Worse - Southern Baptist. You going to assume my gender next?Do your own research. Are you jewish?
Answer one question.
Why do they hate America.
I can answer that in 4 words..."Because we support Israel."...Who, by the way stole/seized/ _____, the land from the inhabitants.?
If a bunch of filthy rich, heavily armed, foreign Fill in the blank came with a handful of excuses and seized that farm you live on, and kicked you to Staten Island, how would you react. What would you do? Welcome them sith open arms?
Be honest.
Thats not an answer, its a run around. Why does Iran hate us?Which is why we exterminated the Natives... with extreme prejudice.
We ain't perfect, either.
You're old enoug to remember "Bull" Conner and his Firehoses and dogs unleashed in Birmingham. I'm old enough to remember Boston Parents pummeling busses with rocks in the 1970's... (those oh-so pious Boston abolitionists... as long as it's not in my back yard.)
We still aren't perfect.
But there ya go!
Sirhr
On the first two sentences...Exactly..and on the third sentence even better, at least they'd exterminating each other, and not hating us.Maybe that's what's going to happen in your "topic" of conversation. Iran's religion is why they are fucked up.
Come to think of it the same goes for Israel.
If it wasn't us or the Hebrews, it would be Shia/Shiite/Suuni, or pick your boogeyman of choice..
What will you pay me for doing your research for you?Worse - Southern Baptist. You going to assume my gender next?
Thats not an answer, its a run around. Why does Iran hate us?
And why do we, support Israel. Its not because theyre the only democracy in the area. Its because "The Bible tells us so."
That doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..we produce a shit load of oil.
Come on. That's obviously AI.Iran smoked an Israeli F35, supposedly with an F14 and captured a female pilot.
You mean money given to the Israelis by our wonderful gov, then given back to us?I’m not suggesting we get involved…. Unless there’s a huge amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ being paid to us by Israel.
I’m just point out that basing any decision off our intel agencies is totally laughable.
Youre points are valid, Oil is certainly a huge factor, or was, but I dont see that as the crux of the problem at least not at this point. The real problem lies in conflicting religions. The Zionists have mis used the Torah to justify their crimes, stolen land, and abused a whole group of people. The Iranians see it as necessary to their religion to eliminate Israel and Palestine is a s good an excuse as any. Religions have caused at least as much turmoil than politics. People go fucking insane with religion. Christianity has been sucked into a lie, and here we are.IIRC, Iran hates us because we supported the Shah and trained Savak... which was one of the most ruthless secret police organizations in the world at the time.
And when the Shah fled (with the treasury), we ultimately gave him asylum (to get medical care for his terminal cancer) and would not return him to Iran for execution.
Not to mention deposing Mosaddegh in 1953 under Eisenhower, because he was a socialist bent on putting Iran into the Soviet sphere (they share a border)... and putting western Oil at risk. So Mosaddegh, who was elected and very popular with the Iranian people... had to go. The US orchestrated the coup with the US and put Shah Reza Pahlavi in power. The Shah was America's 'policeman' in the area and we loaded the country with weapons and assistance so he could be the 'big dog' in the neighborhood as an American supplicant. The Iranians never forgot that.
The Shah also Westernized the country, which really pissed off the Mullah class. Among them was Khomeni who was persecuted, jailed and ultimately banished to France where he continued to resist the Shah. Who used 'new media' in the form of cassette tapes to send sermons and pretty inflammatory material into Iran. The reaction by the Shah was continued repression of any resistance through his SAVAK. To the point that it was a police state that was heavily supported by the Nixon Admin and Kissinger (who had their hands full with Vietnam). But everyone knew that the US was supporting him and SAVAK.
Carter's arrival and his human rights agenda cut off a lot of support for the Shah and SAVAK. And when the Shah was beginning to die of cancer, the mullah's sensed their chance. The Shah was not able to maintain power... And went, IIRC, to Mexico to get cancer treatment. But Carter let him into the US after the revolution.
We also froze their funds, embargo'd them and made them enemy number one. While they made us the Great Satan... not over Israel (that came later). But over our providing support for a repressive regime and toppling their democratically-elected socialist Prime Minister... replacing him with a King who repressed their religion (and spent lavishly on himself while poverty reigned in the streets.)
So our support for Israel is, historically, not at the route of Iran's hatred for us. But its become a reason.
I can provide a bibliography if you like! The one I'd suggest starting with is Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" because it was all about oil... and that's what The Prize was all about! Great book... reads like a thriller! It's all real!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Nationalize the American oil assets and we're good...LOLThat doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..
Only two nations could potentially stop a blockade of Iran - Russia and/or China. That becomes more of a question of "will" than "capability".What will you pay me for doing your research for you?
Well done.Only two nations could potentially stop a blockade of Iran - Russia and/or China. That becomes more of a question of "will" than "capability".
New moon, it will be the darkest sky.If we bomb them, it will be on the 25th.
I think that’s a low number on gas. It will also tank economies worldwide. Iran has more cards to play than most want to recognize. And Yemen will also get involved with closing it down. It isn’t just missiles, they could also scuttle ships that would take months to clear for safe passage. Add in mines, EW and missiles to the scuttled ships and it becomes a shit storm. This has real implications on Trump’s economic agenda as well as the mid term elections, especially since so many in the US are against US involvement.That doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..
Well Iran invasion would be much more costly than Iraq . The cheapest solution by far is cutting Israel of umbilical tying them to US blood and treasure, let them fight their own wars
I have come to the conclusion that everyone involved in this is like silverback gorillas banging their chest but then when it comes time to get busy they just turn into chimps slinging shit at each other. Same as always. Perhaps it’s the best way out instead of fully committing to world war.And where is the promise from Iran an event we'll remember for centuries?
Exactly right…^^….and a sign that you are intelligent and know some ME history. Unlike quite a few in this thread.
And where is the promise from Iran an event we'll remember for centuries?
People should learn up the history of the region and understand why other countries hate Israel.
Hint: it has nothing to do with religion. In fact, early Zionist's were considered allies to the Islamists, until they started taking land.
Fun fact: Israel started as a terrorist state.
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Reagan bombed Gaddafi but didn't kill him, his own people did eventually. Gaddafi played nice so to speak after the U.S. bombed him.We've eliminated any incentive for non-nuclear countries to not pursue getting nukes.
Look at what we did to Gaddafi.