Israel/iran

Israel has also been targeted from day one. Bombings, invasions, hijackings, mass shootings, kidnappings, embassies targeted, rockets, missiles, incursions…. 24x7x365 for 70 years ish.

We have one harbor bombed and we unleash Armageddon. A couple of buildings dropped and we go berserk.

If the ME left Israel alone and focused on their economies, the place would be an economic powerhouse and a paradise for everyone. But the a-rab shitheels are too backwards to think anything but tribal revenge.

TE Lawrence predicted it in a book on 1920. He was dead nuts right.

Belligerent? We have been worse than Israel
For 130+ years…. Trying to spread Jeffersonian democracy around the world. While claiming “we’re the guys who want to be left alone.” The Global Mrs. kravitz. Busybody do gooders.

Israel would not mess with anyone if everyone (including a ton of folks here in USA) weren’t an existential threat. But everyone is. Because everyone needs an enemy and for 3,000 years+ it’s been the Heebies.

Sirhr
Exactly right…^^….and a sign that you are intelligent and know some ME history. Unlike quite a few in this thread.
 
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In that youre wrong, my friend. They have been an enemy for 3500 years. Read the story of what they did to the original inhabitants when they crossed the Jordan River. Nearly every place they go they make enemies. Their intent is global domination and will destroy the world trying to achieve that.

I have nothing against good, decent, compassionate Jewish folks, but Fuck the Israeli's.

BTW, did I say

FUCK THE ISRAELI'S
FFS Howard….everytime I think you may be showing a spark of intelligence you make sure to prove me wrong.

“Global domination”? I’m trying really, really, really hard not to call you an abject moron.
 
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Israel has also been targeted from day one. Bombings, invasions, hijackings, mass shootings, kidnappings, embassies targeted, rockets, missiles, incursions…. 24x7x365 for 70 years ish.

We have one harbor bombed and we unleash Armageddon. A couple of buildings dropped and we go berserk.

If the ME left Israel alone and focused on their economies, the place would be an economic powerhouse and a paradise for everyone. But the a-rab shitheels are too backwards to think anything but tribal revenge.

TE Lawrence predicted it in a book on 1920. He was dead nuts right.

Belligerent? We have been worse than Israel
For 130+ years…. Trying to spread Jeffersonian democracy around the world. While claiming “we’re the guys who want to be left alone.” The Global Mrs. kravitz. Busybody do gooders.

Israel would not mess with anyone if everyone (including a ton of folks here in USA) weren’t an existential threat. But everyone is. Because everyone needs an enemy and for 3,000 years+ it’s been the Heebies.

Sirhr

But who else will I blame for my own failings if I can't blame the evil Jews?

~ Every dumb ass bigot ever
 
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FFS Howard….everytime I think you may be showing a spark of intelligence you make sure to immediately dissuade me.

“Global domination”? I’m B really trying hard not to call you an abject moron.
Call me what you like. Most on here know or are becoming aware, I'm right.
 
Well, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING..... ;)
now, Afghanistan is officially Jew free, since the last Jew died a few years back.
We will see who Afghans' blame now for their issues.
"As of 2021, there were no Jews reported to be living in Afghanistan"

Not to worry those goat humpers will simply continue blaming Jews, because now there will be secret Jews, and then there are of course the evil spirits of dead Jews who haunt the land.

See how much fun it is to twist all logic so you can still blame Jews instead of accepting reality and personal responsibility?
 
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If we bomb them, it will be on the 25th.
because...... that's what they'll be getting??

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But who else will I blame for my own failings if I can't blame the evil Jews?

~ Every dumb ass bigot ever

My old man made Henry Ford look like a Rabbi. Holy crap, it was constant.

Later I got to go to Israel a few times (still haven't seen the place... I think the whole country is airports, hotels and conference rooms.) And it was a really cool place. And I really liked the people. Come to admire their underdog status. Lots of hot chicks, in a JAPpy sort of way. They'd all fit in great on Long Island.

Will I make fun of them relentlessly? Well of course!

But I'm rooting for the good guys on this one. And since I was a wee lad just learning about things like Terrorism and "Death to America" chants and Burning American Flags and rescue missions... Iran has NOT been the good guy. Nor has Iraq. And nor have the so-called Palestinians (Philistines) who have spent decades pushing socialism under the guise of Arab Nationalism and become the darlings of lefty college professors and Sean Penn. Who NOONE here likes. Except when they want to side with the homeless goatfuckers.

So I'll agree to disagree with those who think otherwise. Respectfully. They are entitled to the opinions that folks have had for 3500 years. Whatever. Not losing friendships over. But noones going change my mind (only the Red Sea Pedestrians can do that)... and I won't change theirs.

Now, back to your regularly-secheduled Inquisition.

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS. Nobody expected me to bring up The Spanish Inquisition!

 
And since I was a wee lad just learning about things like Terrorism and "Death to America" chants and Burning American Flags and rescue missions...
Answer one question.

Why do they hate America.

I can answer that in 4 words..."Because we support Israel."...Who, by the way stole/seized/ _____, the land from the inhabitants.?

If a bunch of filthy rich, heavily armed, foreign Fill in the blank came with a handful of excuses and seized that farm you live on, and kicked you to Staten Island, how would you react. What would you do? Welcome them sith open arms?

Be honest.
 
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Answer one question.

Why do they hate America.

I can answer that in 4 words..."Because we support Israel."...Who, by the way stole/seized/ _____, the land from the inhabitants.?

If a bunch of filthy rich, heavily armed, foreign Fill in the blank came with a handful of excuses and seized that farm you live on, and kicked you to Staten Island, how would you react. What would you do? Welcome them sith open arms?

Be honest.
Ask the American Indian first.

The land always belongs to someone else until the baddest asshole on the block comes and takes it. It's human history.
 
Thats not the issue here, stick to the topic at hand.

But to answer your question, they fought until they were all but exterminated.
Maybe that's what's going to happen in your "topic" of conversation. Iran's religion is why they are fucked up.

Come to think of it the same goes for Israel.

If it wasn't us or the Hebrews, it would be Shia/Shiite/Suuni, or pick your boogeyman of choice.
 
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After toppling Saddam's regime I was at Bmt base watching one of my sons graduation ceremonies.

There was one person in my sons Squadron that stood out he was way older and didn't fit in .

My son called him over to talk .
Come to find out he was an Iraqi informant that had helped us in that conflict and to gain citizenship he was enlisted in our army.

He told me to pay attention because he had only one thing to say.

Tell your government " You must attack and destroy Iran" and he walked off.
Bet he was Sunni Iraqi - they hated the Shia Iraqis and the Iranians who supported the Shia militias. The Sunni Iraqis would hiss when they said Persians. Americans will never understand the pure hate between Sunni and Shia and similar tribal/religious groups.
 
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Answer one question.

Why do they hate America.

I can answer that in 4 words..."Because we support Israel."...Who, by the way stole/seized/ _____, the land from the inhabitants.?

If a bunch of filthy rich, heavily armed, foreign Fill in the blank came with a handful of excuses and seized that farm you live on, and kicked you to Staten Island, how would you react. What would you do? Welcome them sith open arms?

Be honest.

Which is why we exterminated the Natives... with extreme prejudice.

We ain't perfect, either.

You're old enoug to remember "Bull" Conner and his Firehoses and dogs unleashed in Birmingham. I'm old enough to remember Boston Parents pummeling busses with rocks in the 1970's... (those oh-so pious Boston abolitionists... as long as it's not in my back yard.)

We still aren't perfect.

But there ya go!

Sirhr
 
Which is why we exterminated the Natives... with extreme prejudice.

We ain't perfect, either.

You're old enoug to remember "Bull" Conner and his Firehoses and dogs unleashed in Birmingham. I'm old enough to remember Boston Parents pummeling busses with rocks in the 1970's... (those oh-so pious Boston abolitionists... as long as it's not in my back yard.)

We still aren't perfect.

But there ya go!

Sirhr
Thats not an answer, its a run around. Why does Iran hate us?

And why do we, support Israel. Its not because theyre the only democracy in the area. Its because "The Bible tells us so."

 
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Maybe that's what's going to happen in your "topic" of conversation. Iran's religion is why they are fucked up.

Come to think of it the same goes for Israel.

If it wasn't us or the Hebrews, it would be Shia/Shiite/Suuni, or pick your boogeyman of choice..
On the first two sentences...Exactly..and on the third sentence even better, at least they'd exterminating each other, and not hating us.
 
Thats not an answer, its a run around. Why does Iran hate us?

And why do we, support Israel. Its not because theyre the only democracy in the area. Its because "The Bible tells us so."



IIRC, Iran hates us because we supported the Shah and trained Savak... which was one of the most ruthless secret police organizations in the world at the time.

And when the Shah fled (with the treasury), we ultimately gave him asylum (to get medical care for his terminal cancer) and would not return him to Iran for execution.

Not to mention deposing Mosaddegh in 1953 under Eisenhower, because he was a socialist bent on putting Iran into the Soviet sphere (they share a border)... and putting western Oil at risk. So Mosaddegh, who was elected and very popular with the Iranian people... had to go. The US orchestrated the coup with the UK and put Shah Reza Pahlavi in power. The Shah was America's 'policeman' in the area and we loaded the country with weapons and assistance so he could be the 'big dog' in the neighborhood as an American supplicant. The Iranians never forgot that.

The Shah also Westernized the country, which really pissed off the Mullah class. Among them was Khomeni who was persecuted, jailed and ultimately banished to France where he continued to resist the Shah. Who used 'new media' in the form of cassette tapes to send sermons and pretty inflammatory material into Iran. The reaction by the Shah was continued repression of any resistance through his SAVAK. To the point that it was a police state that was heavily supported by the Nixon Admin and Kissinger (who had their hands full with Vietnam). But everyone knew that the US was supporting him and SAVAK.

Carter's arrival and his human rights agenda cut off a lot of support for the Shah and SAVAK. And when the Shah was beginning to die of cancer, the mullah's sensed their chance. The Shah was not able to maintain power... And went, IIRC, to Mexico to get cancer treatment. But Carter let him into the US after the revolution.

We also froze their funds, embargo'd them and made them enemy number one. While they made us the Great Satan... not over Israel (that came later). But over our providing support for a repressive regime and toppling their democratically-elected socialist Prime Minister... replacing him with a King who repressed their religion (and spent lavishly on himself while poverty reigned in the streets.)

So our support for Israel is, historically, not at the root of Iran's hatred for us. But its become a reason.

I can provide a bibliography if you like! The one I'd suggest starting with is Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" because it was all about oil... and that's what The Prize was all about! Great book... reads like a thriller! It's all real!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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we produce a shit load of oil.
That doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..
 
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I’m not suggesting we get involved…. Unless there’s a huge amount of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ being paid to us by Israel.

I’m just point out that basing any decision off our intel agencies is totally laughable.
You mean money given to the Israelis by our wonderful gov, then given back to us?

Cuz thats the way it would go.
 
IIRC, Iran hates us because we supported the Shah and trained Savak... which was one of the most ruthless secret police organizations in the world at the time.

And when the Shah fled (with the treasury), we ultimately gave him asylum (to get medical care for his terminal cancer) and would not return him to Iran for execution.

Not to mention deposing Mosaddegh in 1953 under Eisenhower, because he was a socialist bent on putting Iran into the Soviet sphere (they share a border)... and putting western Oil at risk. So Mosaddegh, who was elected and very popular with the Iranian people... had to go. The US orchestrated the coup with the US and put Shah Reza Pahlavi in power. The Shah was America's 'policeman' in the area and we loaded the country with weapons and assistance so he could be the 'big dog' in the neighborhood as an American supplicant. The Iranians never forgot that.

The Shah also Westernized the country, which really pissed off the Mullah class. Among them was Khomeni who was persecuted, jailed and ultimately banished to France where he continued to resist the Shah. Who used 'new media' in the form of cassette tapes to send sermons and pretty inflammatory material into Iran. The reaction by the Shah was continued repression of any resistance through his SAVAK. To the point that it was a police state that was heavily supported by the Nixon Admin and Kissinger (who had their hands full with Vietnam). But everyone knew that the US was supporting him and SAVAK.

Carter's arrival and his human rights agenda cut off a lot of support for the Shah and SAVAK. And when the Shah was beginning to die of cancer, the mullah's sensed their chance. The Shah was not able to maintain power... And went, IIRC, to Mexico to get cancer treatment. But Carter let him into the US after the revolution.

We also froze their funds, embargo'd them and made them enemy number one. While they made us the Great Satan... not over Israel (that came later). But over our providing support for a repressive regime and toppling their democratically-elected socialist Prime Minister... replacing him with a King who repressed their religion (and spent lavishly on himself while poverty reigned in the streets.)

So our support for Israel is, historically, not at the route of Iran's hatred for us. But its become a reason.

I can provide a bibliography if you like! The one I'd suggest starting with is Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" because it was all about oil... and that's what The Prize was all about! Great book... reads like a thriller! It's all real!

Cheers,

Sirhr
Youre points are valid, Oil is certainly a huge factor, or was, but I dont see that as the crux of the problem at least not at this point. The real problem lies in conflicting religions. The Zionists have mis used the Torah to justify their crimes, stolen land, and abused a whole group of people. The Iranians see it as necessary to their religion to eliminate Israel and Palestine is a s good an excuse as any. Religions have caused at least as much turmoil than politics. People go fucking insane with religion. Christianity has been sucked into a lie, and here we are.
 
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That doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..
Nationalize the American oil assets and we're good...LOL

It's a joke son.
 
That doesn't matter. 20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran produces 4.5% of the world's oil. That might not seem like much, but if Iran starts mining the strait and their production is offline, then oil will go through the roof. We'll be paying over $ 5 per gallon..
I think that’s a low number on gas. It will also tank economies worldwide. Iran has more cards to play than most want to recognize. And Yemen will also get involved with closing it down. It isn’t just missiles, they could also scuttle ships that would take months to clear for safe passage. Add in mines, EW and missiles to the scuttled ships and it becomes a shit storm. This has real implications on Trump’s economic agenda as well as the mid term elections, especially since so many in the US are against US involvement.

Word is that Iran hit the Tel Aviv stock market. It seems they may be moving to striking the economically strategic pillars of Israel now. That in combination with refineries and desalination plants would cause internal friction for Israel’s leadership.
 
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So where is Israel’s big Thursday surprise?

The one bigger than the pagers??

LAME!

We want exploding goat bombs or Hebrew space lasers or something….

This is really getting boring. If I wanted to watch endless missile tracks and see silly propaganda photos, I’d watch Ukraine!

Can’t they even come up with some “Rabbi of Revhovot who slays Iranians with an izmel?” Or the “Solly the Shalom Sniper who greets his targets before smoking them?” We can’t even get the Kibbutz Kosher Tractor Brigade to steal an Iranian pipeline or something.

Again… lame!!! We need hero’s!

Sirhr
 
And where is the promise from Iran an event we'll remember for centuries?
I have come to the conclusion that everyone involved in this is like silverback gorillas banging their chest but then when it comes time to get busy they just turn into chimps slinging shit at each other. Same as always. Perhaps it’s the best way out instead of fully committing to world war.
 
Exactly right…^^….and a sign that you are intelligent and know some ME history. Unlike quite a few in this thread.

People should learn up the history of the region and understand why other countries hate Israel.

Hint: it has nothing to do with religion. In fact, early Zionist's were considered allies to the Islamists, until they started taking land.

Fun fact: Israel started as a terrorist state.

 
People should learn up the history of the region and understand why other countries hate Israel.

Hint: it has nothing to do with religion. In fact, early Zionist's were considered allies to the Islamists, until they started taking land.

Fun fact: Israel started as a terrorist state.


Sounds a lot like what we did to the natives and the British…

Sirhr
 
We've eliminated any incentive for non-nuclear countries to not pursue getting nukes.

Look at what we did to Gaddafi.
Reagan bombed Gaddafi but didn't kill him, his own people did eventually. Gaddafi played nice so to speak after the U.S. bombed him.

We need to sit out and stay out of this latest ME shit,.
 
So where is Israel’s big Thursday surprise?

The one bigger than the pagers??

LAME!

We want exploding goat bombs or Hebrew space lasers or something….

This is really getting boring. If I wanted to watch endless missile tracks and see silly propaganda photos, I’d watch Ukraine!

Can’t they even come up with some “Rabbi of Revhovot who slays Iranians with an izmel?” Or the “Solly the Shalom Sniper who greets his targets before smoking them?” We can’t even get the Kibbutz Kosher Tractor Brigade to steal an Iranian pipeline or something.

Again… lame!!! We need hero’s!

Sirhr
So you think its time for them to break out :
 
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