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Maine active shooter

www.nbcnews.com

Family of Maine shooting suspect says his mental health had deteriorated rapidly

Robert Card’s sister-in-law said relatives contacted his Army Reserve unit and police after he began hearing voices.
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Sounds like they were reporting him to the military and the police, but nobody was listening.


Oh, and this.

The senior law enforcement officials said the weapon used in the attack was a sniper rifle with .308 caliber bullets, and that it was purchased legally in 2023.
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Ibid.

Katie Card said her brother-in-law is a “wonderful person” and a great father to his son who just graduated high school. She said his behavior change was sudden and that he had not previously experienced mental health issues.

“We don’t know this person. This is not him,” she said. “We are so sorry for the pain he’s caused others.
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Bcamos said:
I don't know that story. What happened?
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Been a minute, had to look it up. It wasn’t the SSgt, but a SPC. Sodomized his six-year-old daughter. The army requested his real name not be used in the book or movie. Grimes was the fictional name. Real name is Stebbins.
 
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Been a minute, had to look it up. It wasn’t the SSgt, but a SPC. Sodomized his six-year-old daughter. The army requested his real name not be used in the book or movie. Grimes was the fictional name. Real name is Stebbins.
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Argh. I could have lived out my life not knowing about that. It was the Ewan McGregor character.

Hopefully she has found a way to cope as an adult, now.
 
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nypost.com

Maine shooting suspect Robert Card ‘truly believed he was hearing people say things’ about him at bowling alley, bar murder sites: family

“He truly believed he was hearing people say things. This all just happened within the last few months,” said Katie O’Neill, who is married to Card’s brother.
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Apparently, he had been hearing folks talking shit about him at this bar and at the bowling alley, which is why he went there.

Maine shooting suspect Robert Card was struggling with his mental health and claimed to family he overheard people talking about him at the bowling alley and bar where he is accused of opening fire Wednesday, according to his sister-in-law.
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“Yesterday, as the story was unfolding, we prayed that Rob had nothing to do with this. But when we heard the two places where the shooting happened, my husband rushed home.”
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Additionally, Card's sister-in-law also spoke with CNN, the network said. She disputed reports elsewhere that Card had a history of mental health struggles.

"This is something that was an acute episode. This is not who he is," O’Neill said. "He is not someone who has had mental health issues for his lifetime or anything like that."
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www.wcvb.com

Family encourages suspected Maine shooter to surrender

Relatives of the suspected gunman accused of killing 18 people and injuring 13 others in Maine on Wednesday night are urging him to surrender.
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Apparently, his breakdown happened at West Point during a training exercise, and he was in a military hospital for the psych eval but was released after two weeks.

Army clearly failed this guy. Hard.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
Army clearly failed all those folks in Lewiston.
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Honestly I hope blame gets thrown at them for it. The Air Force got their flak for their schizo and the Army needs to take responsibility for not doing their bit on this one.

Not saying he isn't to blame for his own actions, but something is majorly fucking sketchy about this.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
www.bangordailynews.com

Maine passed a law to prevent mass shootings. Police have used it 13 times.

The law allows authorities, with a judge's permission, to confiscate weapons from people who pose a danger to themselves and others.
www.bangordailynews.com www.bangordailynews.com

I guess that the authorities did not use this law that they had at their disposal.

So they are going to want more laws!
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In the cops defense, these incidents with him happened at West Point. No one here would probably have even been made aware of it. But if he purchased the rifle AFTER these events, then the Army did not do their job.
 
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Charmingmander said:
In the cops defense, these incidents with him happened at West Point. No one here would probably have even been made aware of it. But if he purchased the rifle AFTER these events, then the Army did not do their job.
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Just read an article saying local LE transported him to the psych ward…so someone downtown knew.
 
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EddieNFL said:
Just read an article saying local LE transported him to the psych ward…so someone downtown knew.
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No. They were not local LE. New York.

https://www.themainewire.com/2023/1...over-erratic-behavior-shooting-spree-threats/

Army Brass Sent Lewiston Shooter to Psych Ward Earlier This Year Over “Erratic” Behavior, Shooting Spree Threats​

Steve Robinson
BY STEVE ROBINSONOCTOBER 26, 2023UPDATED:OCTOBER 26, 20231 COMMENT2 MINS READ

The alleged shooter in Wednesday’s attack in Lewiston that left 18 dead and 13 injured was evaluated by police and an Army hospital after military officials flagged concerns about his erratic behavior.
The Maine Information & Analysis Center, an intelligence arm of the Maine State Police, released information Wednesday night showing that Robert R. Card II was previously investigated for erratic and potentially violent behavior.
“According to local law enforcement, Card recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up a National Guard base in Saco, ME,” the MIAC memo said.
Maine Commissioner for the Department of Public Safety declined to comment on Card’s institutionalization when asked about the report at a press conference Thursday morning.

That information was confirmed Thursday in Associated Press reporting that quoted anonymous U.S. Officials.
A U.S. official told the Associated Press Thursday that police in New York took Maine shooting suspect Robert Card to a hospital in July to receive a medical evaluation after military officials grew concerned about his erratic behavior.
Commanders in the Army Reserve’s 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment grew concerned this summer over Card’s behavior. He was reportedly acting erratically during training at West Point in New York.
New York state police took Card to the Keller Army Community Hospital at West Point for involuntary admission, the official told the AP.
Card is now being sought by police for murder following the mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine, on Wednesday that left 18 people dead.
Card’s current whereabouts remain unknown.
The Maine State Police have described him as being armed and dangerous.
As many as 300 federal, state, and local law enforcement officers are currently engaged in what may be the largest manhunt in Maine history.
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It seems that local LE knew something was up with him from his comments about the guard post in Saco though.

A spokesperson from the U.S. Department of Defense confirmed that Card was enlisted in the Army Reserve.

“Sgt. 1st Class Robert R. Card II is a Petroleum Supply Specialist in the Army Reserve, enlisting in December 2002,” the DOD spokesperson said. “He has no combat deployments. His awards include the Army Achievement Medal, Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal x2, Humanitarian Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal and Army Service Ribbon.”
 
Hearing voices after getting hearing aides installed is rather interesting.

I still can’t believe that nothing was done to prevent this. Our government failed hugely on this.

- NY State has an extreme risk protection order that could have been issued when they hauled him away from a training event (presumably firearms since he was an instructor) after having a mental breakdown and told the doctors that he was hearing voices and wanted to shoot up a base. They failed.

- ME has a yellow flag law which could have been used in this case and his family had been in contact with police and the army about his mental health and they also did nothing. They failed.

- Army should have discharged his ass after the episode and threats making him a prohibited person. They failed.

What in the actual fuck? Gun laws, red flag laws, and our system doesn’t fucking work. If the system worked with laws currently in place this would not have happened.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
So even retired cops in Maine do not carry guns???

abcnews.go.com

Heroes of Maine mass shooting: Retired cop helped shield people in bowling alley

Riley Dumont said her father, a retired police officer, helped hide parents and children during a shooting at a bowling alley in Lewiston, Maine, on Wednesday night.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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The bowling alley appears to be alcohol free so it may be a declared gun free zone.

Other than that, usually carry laws support "carry" not "handy" so if he was bowling he may not have carried into the lanes.
 
doubloon said:
The bowling alley appears to be alcohol free so it may be a declared gun free zone.

Other than that, usually carry laws support "carry" not "handy" so if he was bowling he may not have carried into the lanes.
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Maine does not make places serving alcohol off limits unless it is posted and you carry in a way that others notice, OR you are intoxicated. But either way even lefty jurisdictions exempt retired cops, don't they?
 
doubloon said:
The bowling alley appears to be alcohol free so it may be a declared gun free zone.

Other than that, usually carry laws support "carry" not "handy" so if he was bowling he may not have carried into the lanes.
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Pretty sure retired LE are allowed to carry places where the general plebs aren’t just as if they were still sworn LE.

I’m not sure on ME’s laws regarding no carry signs most free states they’re only enforceable if asked to leave and you’re not breaking a law by ignoring the sign. Provided it’s not somewhere off limits by state law to carry. Regardless, retired LE should be exempt from that too if I’m not mistaken.
 
Charmingmander said:
In the cops defense, these incidents with him happened at West Point. No one here would probably have even been made aware of it. But if he purchased the rifle AFTER these events, then the Army did not do their job.
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Red flag laws were already in place? Didn’t they tell us that red flag laws would stop all this shit?

Tells you what the real purpose of red flag laws is.
 
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doubloon said:
The bowling alley appears to be alcohol free so it may be a declared gun free zone.

Other than that, usually carry laws support "carry" not "handy" so if he was bowling he may not have carried into the lanes.
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If it was a gun free zone, glad to see everyone following the rules. Well, almost everyone.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
Maine does not make places serving alcohol off limits unless it is posted and you carry in a way that others notice, OR you are intoxicated. But either way even lefty jurisdictions exempt retired cops, don't they?
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Correct but it appears my intention of sharing that information went speedily and completely through the uprights.

No alcohol eliminates the possibility of alcohol posting and makes it more likely that carry is OK ... unless the establishment itself has opted to be gun free regardless of alcohol which it is free to do.

And, of course, there is always the possibility he chose not to carry or even if he was carrying he may have chosen to lead his family to safety rather than charge the beast.

But it's all conjecture of course just like your initial question.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
Firearms instructor off his rocker… I have a feeling this is going to get worse. Hopefully some good ole boy sees him walking down a forest road and recognizes him and mows him down.

It’s ironic that another person that should be prohibited based on mental health has killed a bunch of people with a gun. I wonder why this keeps happening?
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It's almost as if none of the gun laws worked and adding more of the same will not work, obviously.
 
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NotByWorks said:
This one guy with an AR has caused so much hurt and carnage, and he may not be done yet.

What’s it going to be like when a 100,000 border jumping terrorists decide to act? 100,000 may be a low estimate.
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Then they will ban all AR and other guns..,....and exactly what they have been waiting for.....

Doc
 
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ubettcha said:
Why is the FBI involved in this at this point? He has not crossed state lines or committed a crime on federal property.
www.thegatewaypundit.com

DEVELOPING: Multiple FBI Agencies and State Police in Standoff at Maine Mass Shooter Robert Card's Residence - Explosions Reportedly Emanating From Home - New Updates Inside (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

The manhunt for Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card may be nearing an end.
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
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This is SOP nowadays.
 
Pmull153 said:
Anyone from VT or NH can recognize that’s a Subaru Outback. Typically with an AMC (Appalachian Mountain Club) or co-exist sticker on the back and a butchy lesbian driving.
However, they’re great in the snow. The car, not the lesbian.
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5 spoke wheels vrs 6 spoke wheels on the other. Not same
 
Doc68 said:
Weird, once again a criminal didn't follow the law..,...

Doc
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And because others did, they were unable to protect themselves. The amount of people in the gram and on X saying the gov should take all Guns as the police can handle it all is absolutely astounding. These people are insane. Clearly they can’t handle it or every situation.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
Motherfucker...

On a side note I have been down the Youtube rabbit hole of Marine and Army intake, boot camp, and training videos for some time now and I just have to wonder... Someone who has gone through such admirable, pride-inducing, and grueling discipline and character building training, and served honorably only to come out and commit a fucking sex crime against a minor, something so abhorrent and disgusting that it permanently disembowels a person's entire reputation for the rest of their lives. Fucking why?
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First of all, it isn't your parent's or grandparent's military. It no longer qualifies as you describe. Yes, there are some hard MF's to be found not the least of which are in the Active Duty team I support, but there is far too much wokeness and pandering to homosexual and other perversions to have a cohesive disciplined overall military. Way too many men wearing dresses, if you need to have it spelled out.
Secondly this has the typical MKUltra sort of stink to it. He's an Army Reservist, with a record, having been in a mental facility, where his brain can be stirred up with LSD, and other fucked up techniques, and sent out "just in time" to distract us from the real issues at hand (Hamas in our midst, Biden's Mercenaries, fixing the coming elections, like a 3d world banana republic), and to push the anti-gun agenda, right handily.
It's all too convenient.
 
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So wasn't the military forced to do something in 2020?
Hmmm.....no one has mentioned this yet?
Guy just goes nuts. Family shocked. Hearing voices after getting hearing aids.
Kumguzzla knew something like this was about to happen.
Its the Pax.....again.
You can expect more of this as tranhumanism gets more perfected.
 
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SilentStalkr said:
And because others did, they were unable to protect themselves. The amount of people in the gram and on X saying the gov should take all Guns as they police can handle it all is absolutely astounding. These people are insane. Clearly they can’t handle it or every situation.
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Yeah ,well that ain't happening.....

We all have seen the cops version of protecting people down in uvalde.....

Doc
 
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hankpac said:
First of all, it isn't your parent's or grandparent's military. It no longer qualifies as you describe. Yes, there are some hard MF's to be found not the least of which are in the Active Duty team I support, but there is far too much wokeness and pandering to homosexual and other perversions to have a cohesive disciplined overall military. Way too many men wearing dresses, if you need to have it spelled out.
Secondly this has the typical MKUltra sort of stink to it. He's an Army Reservist, with a record, having been in a mental facility, where his brain can be stirred up with LSD, and other fucked up techniques, and sent out "just in time" to distract us from the real issues at hand (Hamas in our midst, Biden's Mercenaries, fixing the coming elections, like a 3d world banana republic), and to push the anti-gun agenda, right handily.
It's all too convenient.
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My son is 82nd Airborne at Fort Bragg, and I haven't noticed all this men wearing dresses and woke pandering to homosexuals that you and others on the internet talk about.


Oh . . . wait, Ft Liberty :LOL:
 
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ubettcha said:
Why is the FBI involved in this at this point? He has not crossed state lines or committed a crime on federal property.
www.thegatewaypundit.com

DEVELOPING: Multiple FBI Agencies and State Police in Standoff at Maine Mass Shooter Robert Card's Residence - Explosions Reportedly Emanating From Home - New Updates Inside (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

The manhunt for Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card may be nearing an end.
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
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All it takes is state LE/state .gov to make a few phone calls.
 
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