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    Well, it is possible to contract COVID a second time. Symptoms could be worse and the virus can be passed on to someone elsewill who has not been vaccinated. Additionally, it hasn't been determined how long your natural immunity to COVID-19 last. The best way to ensure you're protected is to get the vaccine. Hopefully, this will shed some light on its importance.
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    Man I'll bet those Amish are burying people left and right because they haven't access to all this life saving information.
    Surprised there hasn't been a news source that has documented the loss of life they must have incurred.
    I'd think they would have had those horses on full gallop trying to save Abrim and Eli and the women folk.
    Anybody have an update on how they are coping with this pandemic?

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    People need to perform their due diligence on the OSHA approach that would impact employers with 100+ employees.
    https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standards-development#:~:text=Then, OSHA publishes the emergency temporary standard in,final ruling should be made within six months.

    Per that information:
    Emergency Temporary Standards
    Under certain limited conditions, OSHA is authorized to set emergency temporary standards that take effect immediately and are in effect until superseded by a permanent standard. OSHA must determine that workers are in grave danger due to exposure to toxic substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or to new hazards and that an emergency standard is needed to protect them. Then, OSHA publishes the emergency temporary standard in the Federal Register, where it also serves as a proposed permanent standard. It is then subject to the usual procedure for adopting a permanent standard except that a final ruling should be made within six months. The validity of an emergency temporary standard may be challenged in an appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals.

    Appealing a Standard
    No decision on a permanent standard is ever reached without due consideration of the arguments and data received from the public in written submissions and at hearings. Any person who may be adversely affected by a final or emergency standard, however, may file a petition (no later than the 59th day after the rule's promulgation) for judicial review of the standard with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the circuit in which the objector lives or has his or her principal place of business. Filing an appeals petition, however, will not delay the enforcement of a standard, unless the Court of Appeals specifically orders it.


    That clearly opens the door for legal challenges through the US Court of Appeals. It also means EVERYONE who really gives a $#!@ about this issue needs to do their part by speaking out at any Public Hearings. If your local Reps are worth a $#!@ they had also better get onboard with those efforts, and you should let them know that if they don't that you will votes their asses out of office in November!

    State's rights are also going to become a legal issue here. Case in point FL has a law that says that no one can ask about your vaccination status. An employer is then placed in a no win situation, they will have to violate state law to try and comply with the OSHA mandate. (time to move to FL!)

    I say this issue is going to ultimately go no where quick, and it is really a big bluff in the hopes that people will cave in get the jab.
    IMHO, this will only really go somewhere if employers are willing to voluntarily pull the trigger on enforcement. That will only fly until someone cleans their clock with a legal case.

    There is a LOT of GREAT information on this issue in this article, PLEASE check it out!
    https://oshadefensereport.com/2021/...rary-standard-setting-a-soft-vaccine-mandate/
    *NOTE - the last Emergency Temporary Standard related to COVID and Healthcare workers took OSHA 16 weeks to publish. They think this one will take longer.
    *ALSO NOTE - LABOR UNIONS are a huge motivator for all of this $#!@ in the workplace! They were also a major backer of Biden!!! Think about that when you are paying your union dues and have an opportunity to speak to your union leadership!!!!!

    There is a way to fight all of this, if people choose to make a stand!
     

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    The fucking Amish have this shit figured out. None of this BS affects them and they always make it work.
    Lol

    look around. They have to all work for the “English men “ putting up barns fence windows etc to make ends meet.

    Amish are theyre own box of hypocritical f ed up problems. Drug abuse premarital sex , fraud , lies they have it all
     

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    Lol

    look around. They have to all work for the “English men “ putting up barns fence windows etc to make ends meet.

    Amish are theyre own box of hypocritical f ed up problems. Drug abuse premarital sex , fraud , lies they have it all

    Don't forget many of that "type" of religious type livings including perhaps the Mennonites and others use government benefits, government assistance, welfare, food stamps and such things in kind of possibly shady "organized" ways that kind of straddle the line to reeking of an organized racket.

    If they were suddenly actually completely cut off from the rest of the world, their "nice happy" lifestyle would collapse into a brutal struggle to stay alive very quickly. And that's not considering the possibility that if there was an actual full on collapse of civilization, they wouldn't have the police and all that stuff there to help protect them from rampaging warlords as pictured in movies such as "The Postman" and "Mad Max" and such, along with worse, army groups and other much more organized, trained raiders going out to get what they need for their families and bases.
     
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    Lol

    look around. They have to all work for the “English men “ putting up barns fence windows etc to make ends meet.

    Amish are theyre own box of hypocritical f ed up problems. Drug abuse premarital sex , fraud , lies they have it all
    Everyone does something to make ends meet, just like every group of people have the rest of the shit traits you're listing.
     

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    Everyone does something to make ends meet, just like every group of people have the rest of the shit traits you're listing.
    Yes but the rest don’t look down their nose and act holier than thou.

    biggest hypocrites in the workd

    Lancaster county is full of them. All those Bible bangers are so bad they are know for “church on Sunday f ya on Monday “, “pray for ya Sunday prey on you the rest of the week”

    I’m Christian but a lot of the Bible bangers are hiding something and give the rest of us a bad name
     

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    and such, along with worse, army groups and other much more organized, trained raiders going out to get what they need for their families and bases.
    Yes scary thought.

    I’ve read people here saying they will just take what they need , they don’t need to prepare.
     

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    Yes but the rest don’t look down their nose and act holier than thou.

    biggest hypocrites in the workd

    Lancaster county is full of them. All those Bible bangers are so bad they are know for “church on Sunday f ya on Monday “, “pray for ya Sunday prey on you the rest of the week”

    I’m Christian but a lot of the Bible bangers are hiding something and give the rest of us a bad name
    I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, you're not telling me anything I don't already know about them either. Again, their shit is the same shit every culture and class have. They're people, so no surprises there. All I'm saying is, when shit goes tits up and collapses, they're quite substantially more self reliant, skilled and industrious than the average American counterpart. More so than you, me or most on here, probably not but I bet equal to. I also bet they have a leg up on homeschooling and healthcare over most of us here. Certainly they're more accustomed to bathing less than we are. I'm just making the statement that they are probably gonna be just fine as a whole when this gets worse, more so than most English will be.
     

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    My five-cent piece:

    Look to who issues the rule, and you will often find the authority. The vaccine mandates for employers of 100+ employees will be from OSHA at Dept of Labor. Commerce, commerce, and fed power to regulate interstate commerce. There is some case law about regulating local commerce, and the question will be whether vaccines and public health interests fall within the scheme at OSHA under the commerce clause. I would expect it is upheld.
     

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    Where does ones individual rights come into play?

    life liberty and the pursuit of happiness ?
     

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    Your non-vacs "constitional rights" argument was lost when the Feds imposed mandatory seat belts in cars in the early 1960's, enacted OSHA, and the states imposed mandatory helmet laws for motorcycles. Maybe it was lost as early as before WWI when the Pure Food and Drug laws were passed by Congress. In any event, Management will just tell you to get back to work serfs, or one of the 10 guys behind you will be replacing you. Seems that serfs don't have any rights in this political climate in either Patty's view in IMHO. Are you starting to miss the labor movement yet?
     
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    POTUS is buisy seing how many times he can shit on the constitution before he gets put in time out.

    My son contacted some of his active duty friends today. These are all nco's now and a pilot.

    They would all crash my place back in the day, I fed them well and treated them like my own sons and daughters. A substantial portion are taking discharge instead of complying with shots including the pilot.

    This has nothing to due with the stories on the web these are friends scattered around USAF bases world wide. I won't tell you the numbers we were told because they seem high to me.

    Jobs allready lined up for a lot of them.
     
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    POTUS is buisy seing how many times he can shit on the constitution before he gets put in time out.

    My son contacted some of his active duty friends today. These are all nco's now and a pilot.

    They would all crash my place back in the day, I fed them well and treated them like my own sons and daughters. A substantial portion are taking discharge instead of complying with shots including the pilot.

    This has nothing to due with the stories on the web these are friends scattered around USAF bases world wide. I won't tell you the numbers we were told because they seem high to me.

    Jobs allready lined up for a lot of them.

    He's just a puppet for us to direct our anger at. The puppet master has no term limit. Does anyone actually think ice cream man is behind any of this?
     

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    Some on the far right would do the same, just to a different group.

    Quit with the dem vs republican thing, it’s playing into the divide and conquer shit, the issue is statists, and they come in many disgusting varieties.

    If one is for more government, or giving the goverment more of their neighbors rights, labor, or money, they are a statist and are incompatible with a real American way of life.
    Keep sucking up to Joe Biden, maybe he will friend you on Facebook.

    Fact of the matter is that no Republicans are calling for the murder of other Americans, nearly every democrat is calling anyone who even questions their leftist worldview the "Taliban" or calling for their execution. Today, Joe Biden praised the Muslim terrorist's and called those who opposed terrorism a "dark force" in America.

    I'll stick with my observation, Socialism is HATE and INTOLERANCE. Democrats support hate and intolerance. Just yesterday, Democrats dressed in gorilla masks threw eggs and shot pellet guns at a black man for daring to run for governor of a state controlled by leftist racists.
     

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    Coulda woulda maybe possibly? You do know that everything you wrote about natural immunity is the same thing for the shot? Don't you?
    Israel... Look what is going on there. Why do they already have a booster shot after 8 months? When did they know that you were going to need a booster shot? How long does it take to develop a test that booster shot? FDA approval for the booster?
    You see the time period for all that just doesn't work out. Especially for something they claim has 95% efficacy.

    Man has survived for a very long time without big pharma. Hmmm, I wonder why they are called big pharma?
    Big pharma.


     
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    Keep sucking up to Joe Biden, maybe he will friend you on Facebook.

    Fact of the matter is that no Republicans are calling for the murder of other Americans, nearly every democrat is calling anyone who even questions their leftist worldview the "Taliban" or calling for their execution. Today, Joe Biden praised the Muslim terrorist's and called those who opposed terrorism a "dark force" in America.

    I'll stick with my observation, Socialism is HATE and INTOLERANCE. Democrats support hate and intolerance. Just yesterday, Democrats dressed in gorilla masks threw eggs and shot pellet guns at a black man for daring to run for governor of a state controlled by leftist racists.

    Anyone who don’t walk party line bad, bad
    Honestly I know it’s the lazy way out, but try to understand the topics and make your own mind up, vs just going with what some dumb political party wants.
    I’m against statists, that included biden, that included bush Jr (most un American president in history) and obama aka bush 2.0.
     
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    There was a professor at George Mason University who just recently won a lawsuit in which he filed against them when they tried to force him to vaccinate.
    He won, but, and this is a big but, he had already had the COVID and his lawyer argued the antibodies in his body were stronger than any vaccine.
    We may not have all had the COVID, but this opens the door to exemptions.
    I got covid, and then myocarditis from that. I thought I was gonna die.

    No WAY I'm getting the fucking vax that is causing myocarditis. Not going through that again
     

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    I got covid, and then myocarditis from that. I thought I was gonna die.

    No WAY I'm getting the fucking vax that is causing myocarditis. Not going through that again
    i think spikes are spikes and maybe they are harmful either way you get them if they don't stay in your arm.

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    That was part of that AFLDs presentation, the pathologist...

    He said they were seeing the same symptoms in animals caused by the spikes as the entire virus.

    So the supposition that the spike itself isn't harmful is false, it's causing the same illness as the intact virus.

    BuT iTs sAfE aNd eFfEcTiVe
     

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    Okay,
    Just playing devils advocate here but if they are willing to go that far then why would they not shut down a business for not having 100% vaccination participation. They may also start refusing new business licenses (or revoke a current license) based on vaccination status.

    There is nothing easy and simple about this mandate because if this mandate is upheld (assuming future lawsuit/ SCOTUS ruling) then there is no stopping the level of intrusion. They will suffocate the unvaccinated to the point where people will have to choose between eating/living and compliance.
    Increments......
     
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    This is why the idea of needing a license to run a business, for OSHA, or the like us ALWAYS a bad idea.

    These types of schemes are always used to make us more dependent on the state.

    And what’s the ROI for that dependence? They couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the 9/11 attacks, the tons of black on Asian violence, the never ending cycle of shit with the big city poor, shit even with the wuhan flu.
     

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    And now the announcements come saying that they will be monitoring exemptions to be sure they are not being abused.
     

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    There is a reason why political royals are barricading themselves from the people they “serve”


    Aaaand they are trying to sell their fear because of some walk in protest from over a year ago, where the only person killed was as unarmed woman at the hands of one of bureaucrats guards 😂

    No mention of maybe being rightfully scared because you just outlawed folks being able to work and provide for their families.
     

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    If you want an in depth breakdown of the sheer fuckery and deceit our military is playing --pushing experimental NOT VACCINE drugs. Robert Barnes is up to his nect filing lawsuits and just recently got out of court in this video. The details will make your head pop off.

     

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    BTW, because science, Biden has simultaneously exempted over 600,000 postal workers from the vaccine mandate - never mind these humans actually handle and deliver pieces of mail from one home to another. Don't won't worry they'll wear bandanas.
    Illegal aliens are exempt also, go figure
     

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    Dude

    patriot act
    Etc

    republicans love them some big government and control too


    All the small government guys like the 9 9 9 balck dude get cut off at the knees before they get started.

    too many dollars to be stolen by the oligarchy/ corporates
    Why I don’t define myself as republican, they can be just as bad on the flip side of the coin. I’m more of a Constitutionalist.
     

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    Lol

    look around. They have to all work for the “English men “ putting up barns fence windows etc to make ends meet.

    Amish are theyre own box of hypocritical f ed up problems. Drug abuse premarital sex , fraud , lies they have it all

    lol, are you serious?

    They actually have a pretty good deal, that’s why they stay Amish.

    Many of them live a much better life than some 21st century fat ass working in a human filing cabinet.
     

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    lol, are you serious?

    They actually have a pretty good deal, that’s why they stay Amish.

    Many of them live a much better life than some 21st century fat ass working in a human filing cabinet.
    Lol you must not live near them

    Amish and Mennonite. Better watch your corn hole if they’re around
     

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    Lol you must not live near them

    Amish and Mennonite. Better watch your corn hole if they’re around

    They bought my mom's (previously Amish owned) house in cash (around 400k) and it didn't seem to phase them during negotiations. I think they do okay.

    Some of them treat their animals like absolute shit though.
     

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    Lol you must not live near them

    Amish and Mennonite. Better watch your corn hole if they’re around

    Yeah I lived around them for quite some time, even had them do some work for me. Again, not the life for me, but seems like they live much better than many
     

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    VP Camel Toe stated that you must get the vax to protect the vaccinated............ Suck on that big one for awhile and then try to explain it to someone.

    The rent-a-whore has a great gig.
     

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    Keep sucking up to Joe Biden, maybe he will friend you on Facebook.

    Fact of the matter is that no Republicans are calling for the murder of other Americans, nearly every democrat is calling anyone who even questions their leftist worldview the "Taliban" or calling for their execution. Today, Joe Biden praised the Muslim terrorist's and called those who opposed terrorism a "dark force" in America.

    I'll stick with my observation, Socialism is HATE and INTOLERANCE. Democrats support hate and intolerance. Just yesterday, Democrats dressed in gorilla masks threw eggs and shot pellet guns at a black man for daring to run for governor of a state controlled by leftist racists.
    Yes, first the label you a Communist, Liberal, Nazi (Dr. Mengele specifically for me)--and thus you no longer qualify as an American.

    Then they call for your execution (Enemy Combatant).

    All right here in our forum from the howler monkeys. (Because I got a shot, and believe they are of some value--supporting your choice to not get one is not enough, YOU MUST BELIEVE AS WE DO!!!) There is plenty of hate and intolerance to go around.

    Its an old argument--socialism leads to intolerance and hate (see: Today's Dem Party). But intolerance and hate are independent of political alignment. The right can hate, the left can hate. Right now the left wants all the attention, but only a fool thinks the right is pure and honest. (Watch the instant "No True Scotsman---Well Bush, McCain, Trump, Cruz, etc isn't a TRUE republican).

    BUT BUT BUT THE DEMS ARE WORSE.

    Don't care. When you are in the crosshairs, 'Worse' means shit. The left is coming, the purists on the right are coming.

    Unique in History the American Revolution didn't have a 'reign of terror'. The French Coined the Term. Orwell got so pissed (as a Socialist aligned with the communists) at the Commies during the Spanish Revolution, he wrote Animal Farm and 1984. The Bolsheviks wiped out the Mencheviks. So after the Left Purge, you gotta survive the right-wing purge (or vice-versa).

    Have fun with your daily outrage.