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Got home with it. Seems like a pretty good value for the cost. The stock seems much better than the prototype I had access to earlier in the year.

Like most modern Sigs it makes extensive use of MIM and cast parts. Not a concern when done properly, but it accounts for some of the difference in cost with the Fix.

The PMAG uses a proprietary follower made for the Cross to allow for loading a round through the ejection port.

I want to like it, hopefully it shoots. Ergonomically it is excellent.
I guess I'm not getting whats up with the special mag follower, will it feed correctly from regular AICS mags? Is the round presentation from normal mags different in this gun vs other systems?
 
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After spending about half an hour on hold with Sig CS, I was told that only .308s have shipped, and that there is no ETA for the 6.5s... I really prefer the 6.5, but I'm considering picking up a .308 to hunt this year then rebarreling to something better next year (previously mentioned 7mm-08 AI, loaded long and hot sounds pretty awesome).

Don't know how reliable this source is, but the article seems to suggest that the 6.5s are delayed along with the .277s.... something hazy about .gov contracts :rolleyes:

https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/guns/sig-sauer-cross-rifle-now-shipping
 

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Sig wanted a follower that functioned as a single-load sled when the mag was empty. It will feed fine from regular AICS mags.
Best thing about ARC mags.

Sure would be welcome addition to all of them.
 

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Damn...if there’s no ETA on the 6.5, I may have to look elsewhere for this whitetail season, or just go back to my 6.5 Grendel.

I’m not opposed to the idea of the 308, and rebarrel later...actually, I kind of like that idea. Now to see if the guy I talked to about the legal issues with the length in Michigan was full of it or not
 

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Damn...if there’s no ETA on the 6.5, I may have to look elsewhere for this whitetail season, or just go back to my 6.5 Grendel.

I’m not opposed to the idea of the 308, and rebarrel later...actually, I kind of like that idea. Now to see if the guy I talked to about the legal issues with the length in Michigan was full of it or not
Just tell them to stick an at least 1" brake on the muzzle. Done. Your rifle is suddenly long enough....
 

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It would have to be pinned/welded prior to purchase, and that’s well beyond Cabelas “gunsmiths” abilities.
 

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So you want to run a SAUM or WSM in a barrel with a 1" diameter threaded tenon? Think about that for a moment.
Dave just curious as to your thoughts on the 277 Fury and what other actions do you feel would be strong enough to handle that round specifically do you think a AI-AX/AT would be strong enough?
 

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Dave just curious as to your thoughts on the 277 Fury and what other actions do you feel would be strong enough to handle that round specifically do you think a AI-AX/AT would be strong enough?
I can't answer that question. Until it is SAAMI listed I don't know what the pressure specs are. Any action that is currently capable of running a WSM or SAUM safely should be good.
 
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I caved and bought the last .308 Cross within a few hundred miles this morning. I've just gotten to play with it a little, but in really liking the feel so far. It's kind of a bummer that the safety doesn't lock the bolt for a hiking hunter, but I knew that feature was missing going in.
 

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Doesn’t the stock fold over the bolt, in essence locking the bolt out? Just means you have to hike with it folded...
 

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The stock has a shit load of play when "locked" in the folded position, like 2.5" left/right and 1" up/down. I'd rather never fold that stock and lock the bolt with the controls personally (if that were an option), if you don't strap the stock down when folded it flops around like a fish out of water.
 

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Mine is reasonably tight when folded, I'd guess 0.5" - 0.75" of play swing direction and 0.25" of play vertically, but there seems to be some spring tension pulling it against the rifle, so carried vertically I don't think flopping or noise would be a problem with mine anyway.

I guess I could fold the stock while hiking in places where I know the elk aren't, but I try not to spend too much time in those places. Basically when I'm hiking, I'm hunting and I need to be able to shoot quickly if something pops out of the next coulee, so the folding feature is mainly for compact transport in the truck. I do think safeties that lock the bolt are a better solution for hunting rifles, but I bought the Cross knowing full well it didn't have that feature, and I think I'll be able to make it work fine for me. I will say from what little time I've had to fondle the rifle, it seems like someone put a lot of thought into most of the details, I can't wait to get it out on the range.
 

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I caved and bought the last .308 Cross within a few hundred miles this morning. I've just gotten to play with it a little, but in really liking the feel so far. It's kind of a bummer that the safety doesn't lock the bolt for a hiking hunter, but I knew that feature was missing going in.
Might be ugly but it damn sure works....
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So you want to run a SAUM or WSM in a barrel with a 1" diameter threaded tenon? Think about that for a moment.
Are a number of factory rifles with 1” tenon diameters not chambered in 300 wsm, most notably Winchester, Tikka and Sako ?
 

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Dave Tooley is one of the last guys I would high stress on here about something like this.

It’s somewhat like calling Jerry Miculek a novice on the wheel gun.

Not that that is exactly what you are doing here - you seem more curious than pushy so that isn’t a whack on the snout. It’s just a note that THAT guy knows to the thousandth if an inch what he’s talking about. He’s probably personally seen the failure he’s talking about.

I did a bit of work for a gun company specializing in extension barreled guns.

I haven’t done any math on magnum calibers and extensions, but you run into issues with the extension cracking if it has to contain too much barrel expansion when the case is fired. Thinner chamber walls bring this into the realm of possibility.

Extensions are usually much harder than barrels, and while a traditional bolt action is usually harder as well, it’s also much thicker and tougher.

This doesn't even get into lug failure modes.
Thanks for pointing that out
I’m well aware of Dave Tooleys credentials, l was asking him to try and further my limited understanding. I can see how my post could have been interpreted as combative but it wasn’t intended that way
 
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Thanks for pointing that out
I’m well aware of Dave Tooleys credentials, l was asking him to try and further my limited understanding. I can see how my post could have been interpreted as combative but it wasn’t intended that way
No problem here.
What works for the average hunter buying ammo off the shelf doesn't always work for hot rod reloaders. You know who you are.
Rule #1 in my shop is don't do anything to make the phone ring. Actions with 1" diameter tenons often violate that rule with WSM's and the like. The finer the thread pitch, the thicker the walls and more strength the tenon has. Winchester started with 1"-16 threads. The sidewalls were to thin and lead to extraction issues. I believe they went 1 1/6"-28TPI. I've never had one through the shop. Sig uses a fine pitch thread on the Cross. Smart people there.
 

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So what do I win for the first broken Cross??
Appears that I have chamber issues,which resulted in a broken extractor.
All rounds were easy to chamber, but had some resistance opening the bolt. No pressure signs, but definitely signs of “rough” chamber. The second to last round stuck, but ejected easily when I ran the bolt a second time. The last round required a cleaning rod to bump it out. That’s when I
found a piece of shiny metal on the bolt face, that appears to part of the extractor(underside?)

I’ll be calling Sig Monday.
 

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When I was at Cabela’s buying mine I was told the bolt was already recalled and they had to be sent back to Sig. I don’t know how true this is, but seeing this is concerning. Sorry about your troubles Wes I hope Sig takes care of you.
 

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So what do I win for the first broken Cross??
Appears that I have chamber issues,which resulted in a broken extractor.
All rounds were easy to chamber, but had some resistance opening the bolt. No pressure signs, but definitely signs of “rough” chamber. The second to last round stuck, but ejected easily when I ran the bolt a second time. The last round required a cleaning rod to bump it out. That’s when I
found a piece of shiny metal on the bolt face, that appears to part of the extractor(underside?)
The load is my bulk 308 load that I run in 4 autos and 5 different bolt guns.
175 gr SMK/45 gr BLC(2)/ small base die and crimped at 2.800( mixed brass)
I’ll be calling Sig Monday.
Sorry, but you got Sig’ed.
 

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Following: curious to hear more. Should be able to provide some feedback from customers soon.
 

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But...but... 277 Fury! 😬
It's not chamber pressure with factory ammo that can lead to broken bits here. I'm not saying this is the case here but recycling brass through many different chambers has its challenges.
With that being said you want an easily replaceable weak link. I'd rather replace an extractor than tear the lips out of the bolt. I've done both.
 
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When I was at Cabela’s buying mine I was told the bolt was already recalled and they had to be sent back to Sig. I don’t know how true this is, but seeing this is concerning. Sorry about your troubles Wes I hope Sig takes care of you.
I read on ARFCOM that there was an issue with some of the bolts found during launch. A Sig employee seemed to confirm but said the issue had been corrected.

My Cross came with what looks like a consumer packaging for a replacement bolt in the box, maybe that's how they dealt with the bolt issue after the rifles shipped to stores. Did everyone else have a baggie like this in their box?

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I took my rifle out last week just to make sure everything ran fine. I had five rounds each of Fed Premium 165gr Accubond and 168gr FGMM left over that were the first rounds through the rifle. Don't know if the Fed Premium was me getting used to the rifle (first group) or if that's just what the ammo will do, but the FGMM was looking pretty good until I pulled the last shot.

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I also ran two velocity ladders with 168gr ABLRs to find pressure, which I did in the form of slightly heavy bolt lift and ejector marks, but no problems with the bolt or extractor. I like the feel and function of the rifle a lot and think it's going to be a shooter once I get some loads worked up.

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Looking on Sigs website at some of the reviews it has gotten mostly positive. There are couple dip shits that don't know what the fuck a review is suppose to be about one guy gave it three stars because it doesn't come in the caliber he wanted......WTF the other guy gave it two stars because he thinks it is just like his Q-Fix that he already owns.......Come on guys WTF that is like when people give a product a negative review because of the shipping which has nothing to do with the actual product.
 
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