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New Sig CROSS

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Had a great day out to 1100 yards with the 308 and 168 ELD-Ms despite crazy winds.
My son shot past 100 for his first time getting his first 2 shots dead on at 1100 as well.
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Have you had any luck with the 8.6 on the Cross yet? Very interested in an 8.6 barrel for my Cross

our 16" 6.5 twist barrel is very accurate so far. Tweaking some things and hoping to have it available for order in a month or so.

I will say though, I still think the 338FED is vastly superior for any realistic hunting use(except for shooting hogs quietly inside of 150-200yrds) A very under appreciated round really. We have a few of them around in 338fed and they are super fun to shoot. With some hand loads, should be able to keep a 225gr bullet supersonic past 1300yrds.. out of an 18" barrel
 

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our 16" 6.5 twist barrel is very accurate so far. Tweaking some things and hoping to have it available for order in a month or so.

I will say though, I still think the 338FED is vastly superior for any realistic hunting use(except for shooting hogs quietly inside of 150-200yrds) A very under appreciated round really. We have a few of them around in 338fed and they are super fun to shoot. With some hand loads, should be able to keep a 225gr bullet supersonic past 1300yrds.. out of an 18" barrel
Well said. I do not understand the obsession with the 8.6. The 338 Federal was never really appreciated and can cover so much ground for a hunting round. The 8.6 covers it well...within a stupid short range.
 
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Well said. I do not understand the obsession with the 8.6. The 338 Federal was never really appreciated and can cover so much ground for a hunting round. The 8.6 covers it well...within a stupid short range.
What I am always told when I think a new round does nothing any better than an older round does. It's marketing.

The only round that really broke anything resembling new ground (in this century and much of the last) was the most unlikely, the 6.5 Creedmoor. Ballistically a twin to the 6.5x55 and the 260 Remington, the new ground was packaging of the powder in a case that provided room for sufficient powder while still allowing the extended throat, minimizing case stretch and promoting easy feeding from a magazine. Finally, insisting that a proper twist rate for the 6.5 caliber be utilized. (a most unlikely caliber.)
 

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How are the barrel extensions coming along? Still waiting so its easier to go back and forth from burning up my cheap 308 ammo and components to hunting.
 

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What I am always told when I think a new round does nothing any better than an older round does. It's marketing.

The only round that really broke anything resembling new ground (in this century and much of the last) was the most unlikely, the 6.5 Creedmoor. Ballistically a twin to the 6.5x55 and the 260 Remington, the new ground was packaging of the powder in a case that provided room for sufficient powder while still allowing the extended throat, minimizing case stretch and promoting easy feeding from a magazine. Finally, insisting that a proper twist rate for the 6.5 caliber be utilized. (a most unlikely caliber.)


it is marketing. good marketing will always talk people into s**t they don't need... haha.
How are the barrel extensions coming along? Still waiting so its easier to go back and forth from burning up my cheap 308 ammo and components to hunting.
slowly but surely, we will have them. I am hoping within a month or 2, but it's impossible to get an exact ETA.
 

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    Here’s the best upgrade you can do to a Cross. Sell it at a loss and buy a Fix. Butt locks up tight, doesn’t flop and rattle around when folded, LOP doesn’t collapse when shooting it, better trigger, better accuracy.
     

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    I had really no complaints about the accuracy, it was the rest of the rifle that sucked. I looked over a half dozen crosses after I got mine that were on dealer shelves and every last one had the same issues as mine. They’re just cheaply built rifles and IMO a lot of people just don’t know what they’re looking at and don’t notice or don’t realize something is wrong unless it’s majorly wrong. Or they just don’t care.

    A $1500 rifle should be built with far better QC than the cross gets, it should cost $800-$1000 for what you’re actually getting. Yeah it has some cool features you’re paying for but they’re poorly executed. An RPR for example has better build quality than a cross.
     

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    Here’s the best upgrade you can do to a Cross. Sell it at a loss and buy a Fix. Butt locks up tight, doesn’t flop and rattle around when folded, LOP doesn’t collapse when shooting it, better trigger, better accuracy.

    I had really no complaints about the accuracy, it was the rest of the rifle that sucked. I looked over a half dozen crosses after I got mine that were on dealer shelves and every last one had the same issues as mine. They’re just cheaply built rifles and IMO a lot of people just don’t know what they’re looking at and don’t notice or don’t realize something is wrong unless it’s majorly wrong. Or they just don’t care.

    A $1500 rifle should be built with far better QC than the cross gets, it should cost $800-$1000 for what you’re actually getting. Yeah it has some cool features you’re paying for but they’re poorly executed. An RPR for example has better build quality than a cross.


    I'm far from a Sig fanboy, but you literally just complained about the accuracy right above the post where you said the accuracy was acceptable.

    The Q is twice the price of the Cross and has its own issues to deal with. I came pretty close to buying one, and I will eventually. However it's still not perfect.
     
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    I'm far from a Sig fanboy, but you literally just complained about the accuracy right above the post where you said the accuracy was acceptable.

    The Q is twice the price of the Cross and has its own issues to deal with. I came pretty close to buying one, and I will eventually. However it's still not perfect.

    I said the accuracy is better, the Sig shot fine, the Q shoots better.

    I paid just over $1600 for the cross with tax and shipping and I just paid $2700 for the fix. $1100 more and well worth it. Unlike the Sig you’re actually getting a rifle that is worth it’s price tag so it’s a far better value.

    Not sure what issues you’re talking about with the Fix but this is the third one I’ve owned and I’ve had zero issues with any of them. I had a very early one with a factory Proof 6mm Creedmoor carbon barrel, a 16” 308, and now this 16” 6.5 Creedmoor.
     

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    I'm glad you like your Fix. I look forward to owning one some day. What I seen was mostly feeding issues, light primer strikes and while not necessarily a issue was the almost $3k rifle that comes with a $120 green mountain button rifled barrel.

    If you got one of the earlier ones with a bartlein or proof. That would definitely be a plus.
     

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    I'm glad you like your Fix. I look forward to owning one some day. What I seen was mostly feeding issues, light primer strikes and while not necessarily a issue was the almost $3k rifle that comes with a $120 green mountain button rifled barrel.

    If you got one of the earlier ones with a bartlein or proof. That would definitely be a plus.

    I have heard others complaining about that but across 3 rifles, two of them chambered for sharp shoulder angle cartridges, there has not been an issue feeding or igniting primers. Zero. My 6mm Creedmoor didn’t feed butter smooth with the Pmags, but it fed reliably and fed like butter with KAC and Lancer mags. My 308 fed smooth from anything and this 6.5 I’ve only ran the pmag it came with and it feeds smooth AF.

    No issues with light strikes either. My 6mm I even loaded CCI 450’s for which are hard and no problem.

    My 308 had a Green Mountain barrel and it was 1/2MOA, I also only paid like $2300 delivered for that one from Brownells so I didn’t really care. They’re supposedly using cut rifled barrels now per their website and other things I’ve read and the price has gone up to reflect that but I’ve got no idea who’s making them now but this barrel shoots hole for hole with Barnes 127gr LRX factory ammo.
     

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    I respect your opinion that, while yours didn't, some had issues with their fix but overall it's a good system.

    Same is true for the sig cross. Some had issues while others didn't, it's still a decent system.

    Just pointing out that sig is a cheaper at $1,599 vs the $3,299 for the fix. I would expect some corners to be cut to get to the cheaper price.
     
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    Some rifles just don't feel right to some people and the same rifle can be loved by others.
    I am from England and I am in the second group, I love my Sig.
    Over here, the Sig Cross is not that common and I think the problems that some of the first batch had put people off. Mine was produced after the recall and I am absolutely smitten. It is in 6.5CM, which is a round I also think gets bad press as it certainly stops everything I shoot with it.
    I was in my local gun shop and so close to buying a Sako S20 in .308, when the owner said have you seen this. He then produced the Cross in 6.5CM and that was that!
    There are three things about it I would change; the first is the trigger. There is nothing wrong with it, its very crisp, its just I prefer single stage. The second is everyone's gripe, the stock being loose in the folded position. I do really like the stock and would not change the design, just make the hinge stiffer. Number three is the shiny barrell. I am an old soldier and shiny barrells just don't feel right. I have left it as it is as I worry coating it might cause issues with heat, maybe one day.
    As I always say, its just my experience and what suits me, its not for everyone and I am not saying this is what you should have.
    What I can tell you as a bottom line is that I really like that weapon and reach for most of the time. In almost a year of owning it, not once has it let me down and I have never thought I should have bought the Sako.
     

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    I ordered the Arca rail from Sig, it was on sale (and may still be?) for $179. I wasn’t a buyer at $300, but I damned sure was at $179, which I thought was on the high side of reasonable.

    Just got it in, this thing was definitely a good buy. It’s RRS compatible, and still very light weight. I have been bolting M-Lok arca plates on my rifles for years… this seems to be a far superior option.
     
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    I ordered the Arca rail from Sig, it was on sale (and may still be?) for $179. I wasn’t a buyer at $300, but I damned sure was at $179, which I thought was on the high side of reasonable.

    Just got it in, this thing was definitely a good buy. It’s RRS compatible, and still very light weight. I have been bolting M-Lok arca plates on my rifles for years… this seems to be a far superior option.
    Any idea the weight difference?
     

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    Hey everyone, bought myself a sig cross prs the other day. I was trying to install the area 419 hellfire match brake with adapter and noticed the barrel threads bottom out on the adapter, causing a gap. Scared to torque the adapter down incase it galls the threads.

    Any have experience with this? What have others done? Have you just shimmed it?

    Appreciate any info
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    Saw this review on the PRS and he had the same issue with his barrel threads.
     

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    Anybody have muzzle velocities for 130-143 grain bullets for a 18" Sig Cross 6.5 creedmoor? Trying to find an excuse to buy another rifle for chasing white tail deer AND compete in NRL hunter's Factory class.
     

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    Hornady 143 gr Hunter 2664 fps/42 degrees Fahrenheit
    Hornady 120 gr GMX 2776 fps/64 degrees Fahrenheit
    Hornady 140 gr. ELDM 2542 fps/64 degrees Fahrenheit
    Hornady 147 gr ELDM 2466 fps/ 66 degrees Fahrenheit

    All factory ammo at about 233 feet above sea level

    Sorry, don’t have access to SD and other variables right now
     
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    Anybody have muzzle velocities for 130-143 grain bullets for a 18" Sig Cross 6.5 creedmoor? Trying to find an excuse to buy another rifle for chasing white tail deer AND compete in NRL hunter's Factory class.
    Winchester Deer Season XP 125g 2668f/s at the barrell on my Cross.
    It stops everything.
     
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    My 143 ELD-X load with RL26 makes 2650 with the 18" Cross and a YHM R2 can. It went 2750 in another rifle with a 21" barrel, so the velocity makes sense. I worked off the Speer 140gr load data with RL26.
     

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    In my 18" Cross w/Omega 300 I gathered the following data, shot across a Labradar. 55 deg, 37% humidity, 1200' elevation.
    All of this is factory ammo.

    S&B 140 FMJ 2455
    Hornady 143 ELDX 2481
    HSM 130 Sierra Gamechanger 2594
    Winchester 125 Deer Season 2663
     
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    Thanks guys for the MV #'s. I was just trying to see if Cross's can get a minimum of 2923 fps with 130gr or 2714 fps with 140gr for NRL hunter with handloads before I buy one. Looks like my answer is no. I can run factory ammo but refuse to since I have so much in reloading supplies for 6.5 creedmoor already.
     

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    Thanks guys for the MV #'s. I was just trying to see if Cross's can get a minimum of 2923 fps with 130gr or 2714 fps with 140gr for NRL hunter with handloads before I buy one. Looks like my answer is no. I can run factory ammo but refuse to since I have so much in reloading supplies for 6.5 creedmoor already.
    You would be really pushing it to get those velocities with an 18”, although I’m sure someone here has done it.
     

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    You would be really pushing it to get those velocities with an 18”, although I’m sure someone here has done it.
    nah, I'm not really optimistic about hitting the velocities I need with my handloads to meet NRL Hunter. I did send a 130gr ELDM at 3150fps and my rifle AND brass did not like it at all. I'll have to figure out what I want to do to shoot in NRL's Factory class. Using factory is my best bet.
     

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    Thanks guys for the MV #'s. I was just trying to see if Cross's can get a minimum of 2923 fps with 130gr or 2714 fps with 140gr for NRL hunter with handloads before I buy one. Looks like my answer is no. I can run factory ammo but refuse to since I have so much in reloading supplies for 6.5 creedmoor already.
    FWIW Berger factory in 18in factory cross barrel runs ±2,620 in 140 hyb. and ±2,720 in 130 hybrids.
     
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    nah, I'm not really optimistic about hitting the velocities I need with my handloads to meet NRL Hunter. I did send a 130gr ELDM at 3150fps and my rifle AND brass did not like it at all. I'll have to figure out what I want to do to shoot in NRL's Factory class. Using factory is my best bet.
    Read the 2023 rule changes. Pretty sure there is no power factor for factory unless there is a tie.
     
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    Anyone out there making an aftermarket "paddle" style mag release? I love the mag release on my Christensen MPR but the release inside the trigger guard is less than desirable for me. I'd love to access the mag release from outside the tigger guard. Is anyone specializing in aftermarket goodies for these in general? My google searches haven't turned up much but I have found it is usually the mom and pop shops that make the best modified parts, at least early on.
     

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    Anyone out there making an aftermarket "paddle" style mag release? I love the mag release on my Christensen MPR but the release inside the trigger guard is less than desirable for me. I'd love to access the mag release from outside the tigger guard. Is anyone specializing in aftermarket goodies for these in general? My google searches haven't turned up much but I have found it is usually the mom and pop shops that make the best modified parts, at least early on.
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    Maybe try the one from the PRS version.
     

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    Looks like thus far they only have the enlarged safety and Larger Bolt knob from the PRS for sale on their site.
    The paddle mag release would be great. hopefully they do sell it separate soon.

    extended safety

    Larger bolt knob
    I ordered the larger bolt knob for my non PRS and it works just fine. I actually love the feel and it makes it much easier, especially if wearing gloves.
     

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    Thanks for posting.
    Looks good, any problems with clearance on scopes or nightvision?
    Wonder if we can get them over here.
     

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    I'm still missing the point of this rifle, when you can build Tikka without the problems in a chassis and CTR mags for about the same money?

    The physical size is a huge selling point. If that doesn't appeal to you then it opens up a lot of other options in the price point. My folded cross with can attached fits into a discreet ar15 bag. It would fit into something much smaller without the can.
     

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    Are you talking about the PRS or the standard Cross?

    I'm still missing the point of this rifle, when you can build Tikka without the problems in a chassis and CTR mags for about the same money?
    There is no such thing as the perfect rifle and every shooter chooses the rifle they want based on make/model/calibre/looks/weight/etc.
    I have had my Cross in 6.5CM for almost a year now and absolutely love it and it has not let me down.
    I was looking at the Sako S20 in 6.5CM until I was handed a Cross and that was it. Yes it was more expensive but it is lighter, has a shorter barrel, the action is as smooth as the Sako and I prefer how it looks.
    Over here it is not possible to put a new Tikka in an MDT chassis + butt, pistol grip, etc for the same money. I have built a custom rifle before so I do know.
    Having owned a Cross would I buy one again, 100% yes, would I recommend one to someone who asked, again 100% yes, is it the rifle for everyone, no.