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New Sig CROSS

Hello from the socialist republic of Canukistan... I'm really interested in the Cross but slightly nervous by all the talk about likely issues with the first batch.

So from those of you with experience and more industry knowledge, was the whole thing about Sig "beta testing on customers then fixing problems later" more of a localized phenomenon with the P320 or is it actually "normal"? I haven't heard issues like that with any of their other firearms.

Thanks gents!
 
So from those of you with experience and more industry knowledge, was the whole thing about Sig "beta testing on customers then fixing problems later" more of a localized phenomenon with the P320 or is it actually "normal"? I haven't heard issues like that with any of their other firearms.

It wasnt the first, second, third, fourth or fifth time—if thats what you are asking.
 
I haven't really heard that there are any continuing issues with the first batch (other than the one guy having an extractor break) just that they may have had Cabela's swap the bolts on some or all before they went on sale. Aside from the fact that they haven't been able to deliver a second batch very quickly, has anyone heard that there's an actual recall our systemic problem from a reliable source (not the guy drooling on the gun counter)? Their website doesn't say anything to the effect, I registered my Cross with their warranty system, and haven't been notified of any problems. Mine has been an excellent rifle, although admittedly I only have a few hundred rounds through it at this point. My honest guess is that they kind of pushed to get the first batch out on-time-ish knowing that due to Covid supply chain fuckity-ness, they probably couldn't follow it up with a steady supply right away.... But still, better to get the first batch out and be facing accusations of low production as opposed to vapor-ware... Or, at least that's what it seems like to me anyway. Either way I haven't seen a shred of evidence that there is an active problem or recall on the existing rifles.

I'm pretty sure my rail is 0 MOA, btw, I'm running a pretty basic hunting scope and didn't have to crank it to death to get it on.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. I am looking at replacing my current 6.5 with the Cross. Having to hike into most places I can actually shoot long range, and wanting a 6.5 to hunt with is making it look like a good replacement for the 15lb 24" barreled CTR build I currently have.
 
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Quick question as I'm certainly no expert on the subject. Should I be worried about bridging the scope across the top rail when mounting. I finally managed to get the rings in for my scope and I'm curious if when positioning the rings I should have both mounted above the receiver or if it's ok to have the front ring all the way forward over the handguard? I know this is an issue with ARs but wasn't sure if it mattered with this setup or not. I would think not since it's one rail and not an AR style where you are spanning from the receiver rail to the handguard rail.
 
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They're reusable. With that being said there is a service life for everything. We think a Rem 700 action lasts forever. I've seen the action lugs deformed from bolt thrust to the point of restricting the action bore.
 
Thanks I wouldn’t want to use one indefinitely, just wondering if you can get say 2 barrels to every 1 extension
 
I have the .308 16" on order from my local fun store as of today. Does anybody have the handguard dimensions? I am looking to put an arca rail on it but not sure what size to get. I think it has 7 and a half mlok slots? Thanks!
 
I have the .308 16" on order from my local fun store as of today. Does anybody have the handguard dimensions? I am looking to put an arca rail on it but not sure what size to get. I think it has 7 and a half mlok slots? Thanks!
I’ve seen someone run the Area 419 12” rail on it and looked fine.
 
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This is my first post to the forum and I hope it’s in the right place, my apologies if another thread is more appropriate.

I’m not a prs guy and don’t have a lot of experience hunting or shooting so take this for what it’s worth. Also don’t have any feelings to worry about so do your worst and be as brutal as you think is necessary.

Bought a Kilo 2400 rangefinder for the milling reticle then learned about the BDX system. Bought the 6-20x52 then found a Cross in 308 (a buddy who shoots a lot says he’s sticking with 308 until Lake City starts making 6.5cm. Made sense to me). These are all of my first shots with it, done this past weekend. I can’t find ammo, so used Ball, plus a buddy gave me a box of Sig match ammo: as indicated on targets.

Used factory trigger setting which seems like it was in the middle somewhere between 2-4 lbs. Bought the cross for hunting black bear and Sitka blacktail deer. As you can see, the ball ammo gave a paltry (but not surprising) 1.5-2.0 moa, while the Sig match was under 1” with 5 shot groups and around .5 with 3 shot. Ranging was right at 104 yds. Shot 86 rounds total (1 dud Sig match). There is one group of 15 shots missing at 25yds from the last session after replacing high scope rings with mid. I used a clean target someone left on the stand and it wasn’t worth including here. The zero wasn’t adjusted for the match ammo because I won’t buy it. Will start working up handloads. Long post but the bottom line is that the gun is capable of shooting .5 MOA off the shelf in untrained hands with factory match ammo using a relatively thick BDX reticle.
The barrel was cleaned once with 2 passes of a bore snake on target 3 AFTER the first group of Sig match ammo. All shots were done in 3 sittings over 2 days indicated on targets by scope releveling and ring replacement.

Not sure why the last shot group with Sig ammo opened up other than sore shoulder and dud round distraction (which was actually shot 3 out of 5, not shot #5 as indicated on target.

Two other things to mention.
1. Bolt was a bit stiff before shooting but seems to have seated and I would say is now actually smooth. Not Tikka-smooth, but very good.
2. The included magazine required some (too much) effort to lock in the mag well. I bought another mag for the last session and it took slightly more effort to lock than the first. Noticed wear marks this morning on the top edge of each mag (both sides) where it seats in the receiver. Buffed those points with an Allen wrench (it was handy) and the mags now seat perfectly.

Hope this is helpful.

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This is my first post to the forum and I hope it’s in the right place, my apologies if another thread is more appropriate.

I’m not a prs guy and don’t have a lot of experience hunting or shooting so take this for what it’s worth. Also don’t have any feelings to worry about so do your worst and be as brutal as you think is necessary.

Bought a Kilo 2400 rangefinder for the milling reticle then learned about the BDX system. Bought the 6-20x52 then found a Cross in 308 (a buddy who shoots a lot says he’s sticking with 308 until Lake City starts making 6.5cm. Made sense to me). These are all of my first shots with it, done this past weekend. I can’t find ammo, so used Ball, plus a buddy gave me a box of Sig match ammo: as indicated on targets.

Used factory trigger setting which seems like it was in the middle somewhere between 2-4 lbs. Bought the cross for hunting black bear and Sitka blacktail deer. As you can see, the ball ammo gave a paltry (but not surprising) 1.5-2.0 moa, while the Sig match was under 1” with 5 shot groups and around .5 with 3 shot. Ranging was right at 104 yds. Shot 86 rounds total (1 dud Sig match). There is one group of 15 shots missing at 25yds from the last session after replacing high scope rings with mid. I used a clean target someone left on the stand and it wasn’t worth including here. The zero wasn’t adjusted for the match ammo because I won’t buy it. Will start working up handloads. Long post but the bottom line is that the gun is capable of shooting .5 MOA off the shelf in untrained hands with factory match ammo using a relatively thick BDX reticle.
The barrel was cleaned once with 2 passes of a bore snake on target 3 AFTER the first group of Sig match ammo. All shots were done in 3 sittings over 2 days indicated on targets by scope releveling and ring replacement.

Not sure why the last shot group with Sig ammo opened up other than sore shoulder and dud round distraction (which was actually shot 3 out of 5, not shot #5 as indicated on target.

Two other things to mention.
1. Bolt was a bit stiff before shooting but seems to have seated and I would say is now actually smooth. Not Tikka-smooth, but very good.
2. The included magazine required some (too much) effort to lock in the mag well. I bought another mag for the last session and it took slightly more effort to lock than the first. Noticed wear marks this morning on the top edge of each mag (both sides) where it seats in the receiver. Buffed those points with an Allen wrench (it was handy) and the mags now seat perfectly.

Hope this is helpful.

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Welcome and congratulations on the new rifle.

Has anyone else heard maybe mid to late October for when more of these might be going out? Supposedly that is what the Sig rep has told my FFL
 
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This is my first post to the forum and I hope it’s in the right place, my apologies if another thread is more appropriate.

I’m not a prs guy and don’t have a lot of experience hunting or shooting so take this for what it’s worth. Also don’t have any feelings to worry about so do your worst and be as brutal as you think is necessary.

Bought a Kilo 2400 rangefinder for the milling reticle then learned about the BDX system. Bought the 6-20x52 then found a Cross in 308 (a buddy who shoots a lot says he’s sticking with 308 until Lake City starts making 6.5cm. Made sense to me). These are all of my first shots with it, done this past weekend. I can’t find ammo, so used Ball, plus a buddy gave me a box of Sig match ammo: as indicated on targets.

Used factory trigger setting which seems like it was in the middle somewhere between 2-4 lbs. Bought the cross for hunting black bear and Sitka blacktail deer. As you can see, the ball ammo gave a paltry (but not surprising) 1.5-2.0 moa, while the Sig match was under 1” with 5 shot groups and around .5 with 3 shot. Ranging was right at 104 yds. Shot 86 rounds total (1 dud Sig match). There is one group of 15 shots missing at 25yds from the last session after replacing high scope rings with mid. I used a clean target someone left on the stand and it wasn’t worth including here. The zero wasn’t adjusted for the match ammo because I won’t buy it. Will start working up handloads. Long post but the bottom line is that the gun is capable of shooting .5 MOA off the shelf in untrained hands with factory match ammo using a relatively thick BDX reticle.
The barrel was cleaned once with 2 passes of a bore snake on target 3 AFTER the first group of Sig match ammo. All shots were done in 3 sittings over 2 days indicated on targets by scope releveling and ring replacement.

Not sure why the last shot group with Sig ammo opened up other than sore shoulder and dud round distraction (which was actually shot 3 out of 5, not shot #5 as indicated on target.

Two other things to mention.
1. Bolt was a bit stiff before shooting but seems to have seated and I would say is now actually smooth. Not Tikka-smooth, but very good.
2. The included magazine required some (too much) effort to lock in the mag well. I bought another mag for the last session and it took slightly more effort to lock than the first. Noticed wear marks this morning on the top edge of each mag (both sides) where it seats in the receiver. Buffed those points with an Allen wrench (it was handy) and the mags now seat perfectly.

Hope this is helpful.

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Welcome to the forum. Keep us posted on how things go with your rifle. I’m still waiting for a new batch to pop up somewhere.
 
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Another Hide noob (long time lurker) with a new Cross and rather similar results. Have not owned a bolt action for a few years but when this one was announced at SHOT thought it might be time to change that. I mostly hunt pigs and deer on my property in west Texas, but do also have a 500 yard range.

Bought the .308 version from my local Cabela’s. Cleaned and re-lubed it, lightened the trigger pull up a bit, mounted a 2-10x56 AccuPoint in Warne rings, can mount and a rail and bi-pod. Had some Federal 168 GMM, 165 Game King reloads and some Fiocchi 180 Match Kings on hand. I’m not much on barrel break in rituals so mostly just ran a wet patch and a few dry ones after each box of cartridges.

Much like the other posts I’ve read on this rifle, everything grouped around a half inch at 100 yards. The action is smooth, trigger is as good as any after market 2 stage I have on my ARs and it shoots consistently where it’s pointed. It’s freakishly light but the recoil is very manageable.

Overall I‘m happy with the rifle and think it will suit my purposes well. Have started to work up some 165/168 Sierra loads and gonna play around with some Berger classic hunters, as well.

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Welcome and congratulations on the new rifle.

Has anyone else heard maybe mid to late October for when more of these might be going out? Supposedly that is what the Sig rep has told my FFL

That is the most recent time frame I have been given up here in Alberta... 😕
 
Are they going to sell a version with an integral 20 moa rail, or make us buy and replace the stock rail like chumps?

Taking advantage of the low weight, I wonder if BLK LBL bipod handguards would be possible to mount. Low bore to bipod axis, and less fore-end heavy when the legs are stowed...
 
Honest question, why do you need a 20 moa rail on a short/light hunting rifle that only currently comes in calibers that will kill medium sized game out to 550m or so?
ie 16inch 308 is around 5 mils to 550m and when the fury launches again it’ll only kill medium sized game out to 700m and take 5 mils to get there.

Why not? The more you shoot a rifle, the more comfortable/competent you get right? So even though you can only kill out to 600ish whatever, if you plink out to 1200, then 600 doesn't seem like "the edge of the envelope" in a way. Plus you can kill coyotes and such farther out for practice... and fun!
 
Or you can just get a 20 MOA mount and rock on, that is what I did now if the 6.5 creeds will ship everything will be good
 
Cabelas has them back on their website for sale. I ordered a 6.5 cm and it says it should arrive at the store in 5-8 days.
 
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Same for Sportsman's Warehouse. Hoping that pick-up-in-store date of 1 October holds true this time.
 
Ahh wtf...

I wonder if this has something to do with the 308 being under 26” while folded, and Michigan’s stupid laws? The 18” 6.5 shouldn’t have this problem though...
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Hmm...I just called their customer service line, and asked why it shows unavailable for purchase in my state. She said that it’s just unavailable right now, none in their warehouses, which is why that pops up.

But I just tried an Ohio zip code, and ship to one of their Ohio stores...no problem, no pop. So she’s full of shit. I’m going to run to the Dundee, MI store in the morning, see what they have to say.
 
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Why not? The more you shoot a rifle, the more comfortable/competent you get right? So even though you can only kill out to 600ish whatever, if you plink out to 1200, then 600 doesn't seem like "the edge of the envelope" in a way. Plus you can kill coyotes and such farther out for practice... and fun!

Honestly, I'd hoped to potentially replace my CTR with it as a one-size-fits-most option. There are places to plink out to 1500 yds nearby me. With the folding stock, I could potentially rebarrel it longer later on but still keep it handy via folded length.
 
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I have had mine a few weeks, only issue I have had is a heavy bolt lift. I have contacted Sig but have not heard back yet. otherwise it is great.
 
I have had mine a few weeks, only issue I have had is a heavy bolt lift. I have contacted Sig but have not heard back yet. otherwise it is great.

When firing factory ammo or loads, or when empty? Mine develops pressure faster than some other .308s I've had, and when it does it manifests as extractor marks and therefore heavier bolt lift. The velocity tracks with the higher pressure though, so I'm pretty sure it's just a tighter chamber than you see on a lot of factory .308s.
 
After firing factory, I was wondering the same about tight chamber. My 700 eats everything no issues. Shot the same ammo no heavy bolt lift in the 700. My velocity through the chrono is pretty consistent, didn't see any spikes or drops. Thanks.
 
Went to cabelas this morning, another waste of time (besides getting a few boxes of 6.5 Grendel ammo).

Told the guy behind the counter what the website said, his response was that he works at the store, and doesn’t do anything with the website. Understandable, I asked if he could order one for me...was told no, they can’t order items they usually stock. Ok...So you can’t special order one, your website says they can’t sell them in my state, which is 100% incorrect. I can’t order online to have it shipped to the Ohio store, where I can legally purchase it, because it’s against their policy for some reason. Can’t get a Manager or anybody a little more knowledgeable to speak to me, or call back.

I’m getting a little fed up here...I may just blow my Cabelas points on a new spotting scope, and order the cross through Eurooptic when they have them in stock.

Just looked again, not seeing the option to order online at all anymore.
 
So I ordered a 6.5cm last night. This morning I had an email saying my card was declined. Credit card company flagged it as fraudulent so I tell them it was me. Go back to Cabelas website to put in the order again and now they aren’t available. FML
 
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So I ordered a 6.5cm last night. This morning I had an email saying my card was declined. Credit card company flagged it as fraudulent so I tell them it was me. Go back to Cabelas website to put in the order again and now they aren’t available. FML

You anywhere near a Sportsman's Warehouse? They are showing Creeds and .308's available for order. Says pick up in store on 1 October.
 
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You anywhere near a Sportsman's Warehouse? They are showing Creeds and .308's available for order. Says pick up in store on 1 October.
I don’t think we have any in Texas. Closest one looks to be 500 miles away in Albuquerque.
 
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That’s some weird shit the way Cabela’s/BassPro keep putting it on and taking it off their websites, instead of just updating availability.
 
Check Bass Pro stores also, since they bought out Cabelas...they carry a lot of the same products. They still have the cross listed on their Website.
 
Yup, the Cross In Creedmoor is back up on both sites again this morning, after they took it down yesterday.
 
I've gotten one in my hands and tore it apart this morning. Bolt disassembly takes 10 seconds. Barrel changes will require removing the scope base. Not complicated but requires some work and tools. AR wrench for the barrel nut. Still pondering how to hold the action. If you do take it apart be careful there's a small spring on top of the action for the bolt stop. One of those OH SHIT WHERE'D THAT GO traps.
Now that I've taken some measurements I'm going to shouldered barrels. Makes more sense for me not being in a production environment.
Overall a lot of good ideas. Seems like a lot rifle for the money.
 
I've gotten one in my hands and tore it apart this morning. Bolt disassembly takes 10 seconds. Barrel changes will require removing the scope base. Not complicated but requires some work and tools. AR wrench for the barrel nut. Still pondering how to hold the action. If you do take it apart be careful there's a small spring on top of the action for the bolt stop. One of those OH SHIT WHERE'D THAT GO traps.
Now that I've taken some measurements I'm going to shouldered barrels. Makes more sense for me not being in a production environment.
Overall a lot of good ideas. Seems like a lot rifle for the money.

Sounds like an opportunity to make and sell an action wrench.
 
Thanks for the post and warning Dave. Had that same AR takedown pin detent lIke awe shit moment when I removed the scope rail and hand guard in order to clamp the barrel to torque a suppressor mount.
 
As you can imagine I couldn't wait to tear into this rifle. Yesterday was spent getting familiar with it. trying hard not to break something. Making tooling for assembly and disassembly. Today was a new barrel. Scrounging around the shop I found an AR10 Bartlein 6.5 barrel left over from a project. Turned the breech down, shortened it up a bit. Finish length ended up 18 1/2". The AR barrel weighed a good bit less than the 3 lb. 18" factory barrel. When finished it weighted 7 ozs. less. All weights are with the extension installed. The rifle with mag weighed 6 lb 9 ozs. Add a Surefire brake and it is still under 7 lbs. . I installed a NF 2.5-10X32 in aluminum rings. Rifle with scope and Surefire can weighs 8.37 lbs.
One sighter, adjusted scope and the next 3, H 140 Amax, went into 1/2". Mission accomplished. Attached the Magneto Speed. H140 Amax 2625 FPS, BH's B140 Hybrids 2645 FPS Not for an 18" barrel. I polished the bolt cocking cam, I do on every build, and bolt lift was easy. With a small firing pin I need to see where the upper limit is on pressure. Fun two days.
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