Rifle Scopes Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TwoGun you LE/Mil? </div></div>

No, I know a few LEOs but not the guys that would use this equipment. I think I'll give them a call, though, now that you mention it. Thanks. </div></div>

Too bad. I could have gotten you info for a good savings for LE/Mil on S&B scopes. Well over 5%. </div></div>
Really??
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apophas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just ordered a NightForce from Eurooptic and they were great. I did not pay suggested retail ... just let them know you heard about them from this board.

Give them a call they will take care of you.

http://www.eurooptic.com/ </div></div>

I'm with you!
I bought my Sako TRG-22 with an ignorant amount of goodies and later a Nightforce NXS from them with nothing but great service!!!

I have to say that they really great to deal with.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One other note, NF is not price fixing, the manufacturer can't tell a dealer that they can't sell at a lower price. If a dealer wants to spend $3000.00 on a scope and sell it to you for $500.00 nobody is stoping him exept his common sense, he just cant advertise it due to his agreement. MAP is that agreement. </div></div>

This shows just how little you actually know about what is going on. If a dealer sells a scope for less than what nightforce is telling them to, and nightforce finds out, THEY WILL NOT GIVE THAT DEALER ANY MORE SCOPES and they will no longer be a nightforce dealer unless they get their scopes from somewhere other than nightforce. They must advertise MAP, and they must sell at MAP or damn close to it. Each manufacturer is slightly different in what you can get away with. Dealer buys a premier and sells it for less than MAP, if premier finds out they won't be a dealer for long.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the manufacturer can't tell a dealer that they can't sell at a lower price.</div></div>

That is EXACTLY what they are doing. Premier is worse than nightforce and does the same thing, as I'm sure plenty of others. If they don't sell the scope for exactly what the manufacturer tells them to, they will terminate them as a dealer. <span style="font-weight: bold">Then, the awesome dealers among the group that think its communist and won't do it, get tattled on by the dealers that can't get business on their own and want to make more money. </span> <span style="font-style: italic">Yeah, you know who you are, and I know you are reading this. </span>

Like I said, none of this bullshit helps the customer, just the manufacturers, and the dealers that you don't want to deal with anyway.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Price fixing involves collusion amongst competitors. Lightforce is not engaging in price fixing. MAP is different. I don't know whether it is illegal in other countries. It is legal here. Lightforce can't dictate to vendors what price they sell at, but if they find a vendor is selling substantially below MAP, they just stop selling to that vendor... that doesn't sound communistic or un-American. It is just business. </div></div>

I got bad news for you. Resale price maintenance <span style="font-weight: bold">IS</span> price fixing. It's just legal price fixing and it's un-American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
http://mkueber001.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/legal-price-fixing-in-america/

I can't see how Premier is as bad as Nightforce. The 5% code works just fine for Premier scopes at Optics Planet. I know that's a small sample but they are the only guys that sell everything as far as I can tell.

Kudos to the dealers that will sell at what they feel is for them a reasonable competitive mark-up and not some imaginary bullshit number frozen by a company living off a government contract.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't see how Premier is as bad as Nightforce. </div></div>

... because when certain dealers come to them crying about another dealer selling scopes cheaper than premier wants them to... they threaten that dealer to the effect of "stop that or you won't be a dealer anymore."

That's why.

I keep buying premier scopes... because their product rocks. ... their business practices are shit however.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

Gotcha. Well at least they're American (mostly). I'm feeling a little nationalistic these days. Makes me feel good to do a little foreigner bashing. Sick of China, sick of the Middle East, sick of Mexico, sick of foreign aide. Fuck'em. I guess the rant wasn't off.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

If money was no object, I got a raise every year,
health insu. was lower, they didn't take out for South Carolina retirement automatically all this while working for a city/gov. agency, plus living South of the Mason Dixon line don't help. I'm not even going to go into having 5 teenager's. I know for sure that I would love to buy All American.
 
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its a shame the dealers get dragged into this. its the manufacturers who are to blame.

They can sell their product for what they choose thats their right. But they shouldnt tell someone else what they sell it for after they sold it to a dealer.

The best way to teach them a lesson is to buy a scope from a company who doesnt do this.
 
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Considering the amount of mil/leo contracts most of the top scope tactical companies have, a few civilian sales lost are not going to teach them anything, much less convince them to change their practices. I'd be willing to bet a lot of days some of them regret deciding sell to the civilian market at all.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Considering the amount of mil/leo contracts most of the top scope tactical companies have, a few civilian sales lost are not going to teach them anything, much less convince them to change their practices. I'd be willing to bet a lot of days some of them regret deciding sell to the civilian market at all.

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yup. I'd be interested to know exactly what price the military pays for the stuff.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Considering the amount of mil/leo contracts most of the top scope tactical companies have, a few civilian sales lost are not going to teach them anything, much less convince them to change their practices. I'd be willing to bet a lot of days some of them regret deciding sell to the civilian market at all.

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err your stupid to think that there is loads of money to be made selling stuff to the military.

People bid at bottom $ and the military buys in bulk.

There is tons more cash profit on the commercial market.

Just wait till the wars are over and watch these bitches come running back home needing $$$ from you guys.
 
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I'm not so sure. I once read someone from Knights Armament post that the civilian market wouldn't even pay their electric bill. Obviously apples and oranges but I think it illustrates how big government contracts can be to a company.
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MillSpec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Considering the amount of mil/leo contracts most of the top scope tactical companies have, a few civilian sales lost are not going to teach them anything, much less convince them to change their practices. I'd be willing to bet a lot of days some of them regret deciding sell to the civilian market at all.

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err your stupid to think that there is loads of money to be made selling stuff to the military.

People bid at bottom $ and the military buys in bulk.

There is tons more cash profit on the commercial market.

Just wait till the wars are over and watch these bitches come running back home needing $$$ from you guys.</div></div>

Contractors make a TON of money. As a pilot in the USAF, I know numerous guys who jumped out ASAP to contract parts. They are doing VERY well. The govt doesn't always take the lowest bidder.
 
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I don't know, I must be stoopid or something - please don't hijack this thread by speculating whether I'm stoopid. These optics companies have two markets, civilian and government. There are a LOT more potential civilian buyers than there are government agencies with employees who would use this equipment - even if the government does buy in bulk. I can't figure out why we are paying the prices we are when ours is the bigger market segment and thus, theoretically at least, the market segment to which the optics vendors should cater by asking lower prices.
 
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Bulk orders red ryder.

Think about it. Sure there are lots of civilians... but we only order one scope here, and one there.

When the government steps up to the plate, the check they write up front usually has 7 digits in front of the decimal point. Savvy?
 
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Very good point! Look at what happened after the Gulf War.. All these bitch ass companies had the Govt up their asses, and we as consumers were second to none. Grant it, our Military guys need the best of best. But dont ever forget where you come from! The military only needs so many scopes, stocks, slings etc. They are NOT going to replace a scope because it got "dinged", or give a soldier a new sling because his is worn out. Consumers on the other hand will buy/ replace these items ASAP
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MillSpec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ToddM said:
Just wait till the wars are over and watch these bitches come running back home needing $$$ from you guys. </div></div>
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

No, the consumers will call the manufacturer or dealer up and expect them to replace it for free. Look jackalope... the stuff you are talking about has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

The problem: Manufacturers not allowing dealers to sell the products at a margin of their choice.
 
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Oh ok Killer bird, you know it all. No one on this thread has mentioned anything about getting stuff for free. Your probably one of the dip shits that haggles, and bothers companies for free stuff when you see something wrong with the product that you have. Why? Beacause you can!
I will admit that this post has nothing to do with this thread, but as you can see I was agreeing with what "MILL" had said, and he has a good point.
If you dont like the price of the product that the company is selling, then take your $$ else where. It is as simple as that.
But I guess opinions are like a*s holes, everyone has one
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, the consumers will call the manufacturer or dealer up and expect them to replace it for free. Look jackalope... the stuff you are talking about has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

The problem: Manufacturers not allowing dealers to sell the products at a margin of their choice. </div></div>
 
Re: Nightforce Resale Price Maintenance

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Opticsspecialist</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the map policy is a good thing, it keeps the value of the scopes up. call around, you might be surprised at some of the deals you can find. </div></div>

Your PM box is full can you send me a price quote for the NXS 5.5-22x50 with the NP-R1 zero stop/high speed turrets?

Thanks