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Looks more like a rocket/missile to me. Mac
Commercial airliners can glide under zero power (until they hit the ground, of course), so this is very unusual that it's nose diving.
Either it's intentional (either the pilot did it on purpose or there is some kind of third party maliciously acting), both pilots lost conciousness for some reason when auto-pilot is off, or something VERY IMPORTANT on that plane broke and it was totally unrecoverable. Given it apparently flew straight down at 350 MPH, who knows what will be left to answer that question with certainty. Very sad for the families that lost their love ones!
Either it's intentional (either the pilot did it on purpose or there is some kind of third party maliciously acting), both pilots lost conciousness for some reason when auto-pilot is off, or something VERY IMPORTANT on that plane broke and it was totally unrecoverable. Given it apparently flew straight down at 350 MPH, who knows what will be left to answer that question with certainty. Very sad for the families that lost their love ones!
I could get into all the issues with chinese (and eastern) pilots in general, but I’ll just say
Lots of those places have a shit aviation culture and are VERY automation dependent and paint by numbers (see where the 37 Max pusher crashes occurred).
Lots of those places have a shit aviation culture and are VERY automation dependent and paint by numbers (see where the 37 Max pusher crashes occurred).
Oo oo I’ll play guessing game also.
Induced from the cockpit
Or
Something fooked on horizontal stabilizer
Highly doubt it’s a missle.
Induced from the cockpit
Or
Something fooked on horizontal stabilizer
Highly doubt it’s a missle.
I'm not experienced in this stuff but I've NEVER seen a plane nose dive straight down like that unless it was in a movie which would be unbelievable as well.
me armchair quarterbacking ... that, and 1st thing that X'ed my mind, was elevator locked-out and invert dive straight-in .
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Outside of the jackscrew failure due to shit mx and heavy handed pilots that occurred with Alaska decades ago, it’s somewhat rare. And even at that point it doesn’t often lead to a straight down lawn dart with a qualified crew
Also got to ask yourself, how many on that plane supported the CCP/social credit scores/censorship/communism etc
The problem with the Alaska Air is that they mixed types of grease of the jackscrew.Galvanic corrosion occurred, and the system locked up. Yes, repeatedly trying to adjust caused the jackshaft to break.
Maybe Boeing didn't get that software / training issue corrected anyway all.
yeah, we’ll per the pusher issue (not likely here) there is a reason none of those crashes occurred in North America.
Fly commie, or shithole, airline and get shithole “pilots”
Even if the a/c lost all hydraulics, you still have control tabs on the flight control surfaces that would move them(mechanically) enough to provide some amount of axis control. Maybe...suicidal pilot(s)??
Mac
News just said it wasn't a Max 737. Oh well.
Same stuff, chinese crew probably over dependent on automation and with shit coming up through aviation, compared to what we have in the US, and a plane probably filled with chicoms, meh
If they can't drive a car for shit, no surprise they can't fly a plane for shit either
Someting broccoli
Coming soon to an airline near you.
I believe that a plan nosedived into the Everglades back in 1996. I don't remember the reasons but it had something to do with oxygen tanks IIRC.
I am sure there were different reasons as that was a different type of plane but nosedives do happen
As long as we don’t let the FTFAA go too far, we are a looong ways from that BS
That's it!!
Pilot assisted suicide came to mind first. I agree with others, pilots outside of 1st world countries tend to be decent FMS managers, but really lousy pilots when the automation fails or is turned off. They have a history of turning a minor issue into a terminal issue just by clicking the autopilot off or by leaving it on too long when it’s malfunctioning because they know their chances of survival are slim once they turn it off.
Even if the elevator jammed they could still control it with stabilizer trim, if they knew that. The photo of it going straight down suggests the stabilizer was jammed in a extreme nose down position, the autopilot commanded a hard over and they wouldn’t turn it off, they had runaway pitch trim nose down and didn’t know how to turn it off, some other major mechanical malfunction, or pilot assisted suicide.
Only time will tell, maybe.
Even if the elevator jammed they could still control it with stabilizer trim, if they knew that. The photo of it going straight down suggests the stabilizer was jammed in a extreme nose down position, the autopilot commanded a hard over and they wouldn’t turn it off, they had runaway pitch trim nose down and didn’t know how to turn it off, some other major mechanical malfunction, or pilot assisted suicide.
Only time will tell, maybe.
That fucker is straight the fuck down.
A broken vertical stab will do that…
Looked mighty convective in that area.
Looked mighty convective in that area.
I believe the winglets are an option. Kind of like on the 747-400... Lots around the world with no winglets.
But just in that grainy ass pic above(which looks photo shopped as shit to me) the "stinger"(I cant remember the correct term) on the fuselage looks more Airbus ish vs. 737 NG-ish... to pointy vs. blunt. But again, that pic is not good and appears to me to be weirdly photoshopped.
Saw this when the news broke, in my hotel. I am no aviation expert nor even a novice on the best day. Although i do have some common sense. The crash site showed(coulda been stock footage for all i know) looked like nothing bigger than a football left. Just looked like a crater and some trash.
My spidey senses told me crashed on purpose. Is that possible with the automation in these planes?
My second thought: who knew where to video, they only had seconds, looked kinda remote, so unless they heard a mid air collision or an explosion and their first thought was to film, seems very coincidental. Seems very suspicious. Fake video?
My spidey senses told me crashed on purpose. Is that possible with the automation in these planes?
My second thought: who knew where to video, they only had seconds, looked kinda remote, so unless they heard a mid air collision or an explosion and their first thought was to film, seems very coincidental. Seems very suspicious. Fake video?
Different plane. MAX has different control law architecture than the "100's"
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Maybe they had a abnormal situation like a pressure issue, did a emergency decent, got too hamfisted and over stressed the plane, no tail, no controllability.
I’d put my money on a mismanaged abnormal situation. They are a very rote people, when things go outside of the path of day to day chinese tend to not do well, especially in things that are not as part of their culture like flying.
I’d put my money on a mismanaged abnormal situation. They are a very rote people, when things go outside of the path of day to day chinese tend to not do well, especially in things that are not as part of their culture like flying.
wow!!!!! Where'd you find that picture?
Edit: Never mind:
LOOK MA, NO TAIL! FIND OUT HOW THIS B-52 STRATEGIC BOMBER LANDED SAFELY WITHOUT ITS TAIL FIN - The Aviation Geek Club
LOOK MA, NO TAIL! FIND OUT HOW THIS B-52 STRATEGIC BOMBER LANDED SAFELY WITHOUT ITS TAIL FIN
theaviationgeekclub.com IIRC this is when they also determined they could reduce the size of the tail fin as in later B-52's.
Just one of many……wow!!!!! Where'd you find that picture?
Edit: Never mind:
LOOK MA, NO TAIL! FIND OUT HOW THIS B-52 STRATEGIC BOMBER LANDED SAFELY WITHOUT ITS TAIL FIN - The Aviation Geek Club
LOOK MA, NO TAIL! FIND OUT HOW THIS B-52 STRATEGIC BOMBER LANDED SAFELY WITHOUT ITS TAIL FIN
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