Polk County supports racism

[Mike Casselton]

Cultural diversity? That's what they are calling it.
Here's the gist.
The Polk County fire dept wants more diversity in their ranks.

They are willing to accept your application, as long as you aren't white

They will pay for your schooling, as long as you aren't white.

They will pay for your post education training, as long as you aren't white.

You get a guaranteed job, as long as you aren't white.

I was raised to believe if you exclude a group of people based on their skin color, it's racism, plain and simple.

These are the same county commissioners that have voted to remove a Confederate statue because of what it stands for.

Is this a racial quota?
Is Johnson's Affirmative Action back in operation?

If Polk County were hiring only whites, the shit would have already hit fan.

WTF is wrong with these people?

 

[Rthur]

Real headline- "We are excluding qualified applicants because they are white".

R

 

[Lrdchaos]

Sounds like they have been hiring only white people, that’s why they are trying to hire non-white applicants.

 

[bogeybrown]

Nothing at all new to this. We delayed a PD Academy class for almost a year while they tried to find qualified minority applicants. When that failed they waived the qualifications.
Some of our "bosses" had a good win against the city though: There were 3 being considered for promotion to Major and were told that the next Major was going to be black. The white Captains got a nice payout in court. We also had an Asian boss in line for a top job that was told he wasn't going to get the job because it was going to a "minority". When he pointed out the obvious, that he was one of only 3 Asians in a dept of 500, he was told " blacks are the only minority in this Dept ".

Its only racism when white white people do it.

 

[MtnCreek]

Kind of hate it for the asians. Most are too smart and well mannered to qualify for minority status...

 

[Maggot]

I see a slippery slope here.

On one hand the parameters you lay out certainly stink of racism...on the surface. But if one looks beneath the surface to the 'intent' it may come up a bit different.

For may years it was just the opposite. Blacks were excluded because of the color of their skin. Thats racism clear and simple and it lef to sn imbalance.

In these cases, however, I see the intent as to "Increase diversity and give opportunity to the under or less privileged. Thats something different though it may appear the same.

The only question I have is how far do you let it go. Do good jubs, necessary and critical jobs, like firefighters, go unfilled for this reason. There used to be a rider put on many of theose to the effect of :

"The job will be openm to minorites esclusively for 90 days. If no suitable candidate is found then its opened to all.

Slippery slope.

 

[...]

Real headline- "We are excluding qualified applicants because they are white".

R

"Polk count endangers citizens by hiring emergency services personel based on race instead of qualifications"

to place the liberal agenda over the safety of your own citizens is absurd.......i dont care what race the person saving me from a burning building is....i just want him to be the best at his job.

 

[Rthur]

Diversity for diversity's sake is just a cover for a political agenda.
When any job with qualifications is hiring race, sex, nationality should be removed.
The above is what is required to truly be an equal opportunity hiring.
All else to be interjected is man's constructs to "level" the playing field for a political gain or perceived gain.
Job placement should be strictly based upon applicants skills/qualifications.

I'll add, someone obviously feels POC applicants aren't up to the standard.
Who is this and what do they feel is the reason?

R

 

[FS1]

Black People are equal to White People. So why would you lower the standards? Aren’t they saying Black People can’t cut it so we will lower our standards.

I am confused? It sounds Racist to me. Because lowering the standards means they believe Black People are not equal. A Paradox! What happened to working hard to achieve a goal. Where is the incentive to grow and improve?

This Opinion likely makes me a racist so I apologize in advance.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Sounds like they have been hiring only white people, that’s why they are trying to hire non-white applicants.

Check the demographics

 

[Mike Casselton]

I wrote a long reply and it disappeared.
Oh well.

Anyway, maybe the potential applicants are smarter than their white counterparts.
They're probably thinking "I ain't going in no burning building for $18.00 an hour. Fuck that shit!!"

 

[Maggot]

Black People are equal to White People. So why would you lower the standards? Aren’t they saying Black People can’t cut it so we will lower our standards.

I am confused? It sounds Racist to me. Because lowering the standards means they believe Black People are not equal. A Paradox! What happened to working hard to achieve a goal. Where is the incentive to grow and improve?

This Opinion likely makes me a racist so I apologize in advance.

The problem is not whether or not they are equal but whether or not (int eh past) they have been denied equal opportunity BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. That certainly was the case pre 1965 or so. Much has changed. Maybe some of you youngsters dont remember it but I well remember there being 4 bathrooms. White men, white women, Colored men, Colored women. They werent even considered 'equal' menough to piss beside.

All of this has taken place because of that. Unfortunately it was not managed very well and has become a failure.

 

[FS1]

At what point do White People stop being...and Black People starting being...responsible for their problems?

Black People have been given a Hand up so long it’s starting to look like a hand out. Where is the finish line? That’s all I want to know.

 

[MtnCreek]

Where is the finish line? That’s all I want to know.

The finish line is bringing whites down to the nominal ability of blacks. ie "Achievement Gap".

 

[Rthur]

The problem is not whether or not they are equal but whether or not (int eh past) they have been denied equal opportunity BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. That certainly was the case pre 1965 or so. Much has changed. Maybe some of you youngsters dont remember it but I well remember there being 4 bathrooms. White men, white women, Colored men, Colored women. They werent even considered 'equal' menough to piss beside.

All of this has taken place because of that. Unfortunately it was not managed very well and has become a failure.

I'm perfectly aware of history.
I challenge you to show me anywhere in the US that has 4 bathrooms now.
This rhetoric is why we are even still having this discussion.

R

 

[Maggot]

At what point do White People stop being...and Black People starting being...responsible for their problems?

Black People have been given a Hand up so long it’s starting to look like a hand out. Where is the finish line? That’s all I want to know.



I agree. thats why I referred to it as a slippery slope. The intent of the programs was corrupted.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I'm perfectly aware of history.
I challenge you to show me anywhere in the US that has 4 bathrooms now.
This rhetoric is why we are even still having this discussion.

R

And on this, I totally agree. The only way to 'end racism' is to stop bringing it up, and including it in a conversation. People is people. They're all good and viable, until they themselves (as an individual) remove themselves from the running.

If a particular job requires certain criteria, I don't care what the color or the plumbing or the praying the individual does. AS LONG AS they can and will do the job required. If they can't, then they're not in for consideration. Move along.

Same applies for tall or short people. Folks used to think (or thought they thunk) that height made a difference in intelligence. It don't there, either.

 

[Maggot]

I'm perfectly aware of history.
I challenge you to show me anywhere in the US that has 4 bathrooms now.
This rhetoric is why we are even still having this discussion.

R

zYou need to pay closer attention. I said I remember them, not that they exisst now. But stigmas dont die over night. If you(all) are incapable of understanding that, its not my fault nor responsibility. Live in your attitude, I dont want any part of it.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I see a slippery slope here.

On one hand the parameters you lay out certainly stink of racism...on the surface. But if one looks beneath the surface to the 'intent' it may come up a bit different.

For may years it was just the opposite. Blacks were excluded because of the color of their skin. Thats racism clear and simple and it lef to sn imbalance.

In these cases, however, I see the intent as to "Increase diversity and give opportunity to the under or less privileged. Thats something different though it may appear the same.

The only question I have is how far do you let it go. Do good jubs, necessary and critical jobs, like firefighters, go unfilled for this reason. There used to be a rider put on many of theose to the effect of :

"The job will be openm to minorites esclusively for 90 days. If no suitable candidate is found then its opened to all.

Slippery slope.

While that sounds all fine and such from a one sided ivory high tower type never in the real world academic viewpoint here is the problem:

You CANNOT fix some past injustice by doing another injustice to somebody else, two wrongs CANNOT make a right!

In your "solution" you are denying people equal chance at a job based sorely on their race and saying race (even if just for the sake of first dibs) is the most important point & we prefer this race over that race.

Based on the ages of people seeking this work, the race getting a cut in line because they were supposedly "disadvantaged" were never themselves disadvantaged ones & the people who are being denied the position because of their race never did any of the supposed offenses.

Quite simply it is RACISM against people that don't have very dark skin color. You wonder why people get all upset still about race? It's because of this kind of garbage, do you think the more qualified lighter skinned person who has just as much right to get a job to feed his family as the next person is going to feel kindly about being denied a chance to earn a living because somebody wanted a person with a darker skin color to do the job? Pious self important platitudes about how somebody with some skin color probably did something in the past to someone with a different skin color are stupid.

If you want to get over the whole race thing, then the answer is simple, STOP talking about it completely and stop being offended, trying to un-offend, and such, just tell everyone to grow the hell up and the past is the past and get on with life.

Now if some people still are too butt hurt about something that may have happened in the past to somebody with a skin shade similar to theirs and want to go way back into history, it would never end as every division of people have done bad to some other divisions way back to the wars with the Neanderthals.

A huge amount of the population of fair skinned people in this country originally came over as slaves or indentured servants or oppressed hated new immigrants & many of them led hard lives, but their sacrifices and history made it possible for their descendants to live in the greatest country humanity has ever built, just about every ethnic group that came to America of any skin color or nationality faced great hardship when they first came.

One question to ask some of these whiners which will make their heads explode in rage.... "I'm working on a time travel machine and once I get it done, I'm going back to the beginning of this country and making sure slavery was never ever allowed and anyone that tried it or pushed for it was killed right away. I'd like to see you again, where in the world do you think you'll be when I get back so I can look you up?"..... Watch the riots begin....

 

[Lrdchaos]

One question to ask some of these whiners which will make their heads explode in rage.... "I'm working on a time travel machine and once I get it done, I'm going back to the beginning of this country and making sure slavery was never ever allowed and anyone that tried it or pushed for it was killed right away. I'd like to see you again, where in the world do you think you'll be when I get back so I can look you up?"..... Watch the riots begin....

In all honesty....that might be one of the dumbest fucking questions I have ever seen or heard.

 

[Maggot]

While that sounds all fine and such from a one sided ivory high tower type never in the real world academic viewpoint here is the problem:

You CANNOT fix some past injustice by doing another injustice to somebody else, two wrongs CANNOT make a right!

In your "solution" you are denying people equal chance at a job based sorely on their race and saying race (even if just for the sake of first dibs) is the most important point & we prefer this race over that race.

Based on the ages of people seeking this work, the race getting a cut in line because they were supposedly "disadvantaged" were never themselves disadvantaged ones & the people who are being denied the position because of their race never did any of the supposed offenses.

Quite simply it is RACISM against people that don't have very dark skin color. You wonder why people get all upset still about race? It's because of this kind of garbage, do you think the more qualified lighter skinned person who has just as much right to get a job to feed his family as the next person is going to feel kindly about being denied a chance to earn a living because somebody wanted a person with a darker skin color to do the job? Pious self important platitudes about how somebody with some skin color probably did something in the past to someone with a different skin color are stupid.

If you want to get over the whole race thing, then the answer is simple, STOP talking about it completely and stop being offended, trying to un-offend, and such, just tell everyone to grow the hell up and the past is the past and get on with life.

Now if some people still are too butt hurt about something that may have happened in the past to somebody with a skin shade similar to theirs and want to go way back into history, it would never end as every division of people have done bad to some other divisions way back to the wars with the Neanderthals.

A huge amount of the population of fair skinned people in this country originally came over as slaves or indentured servants or oppressed hated new immigrants & many of them led hard lives, but their sacrifices and history made it possible for their descendants to live in the greatest country humanity has ever built, just about every ethnic group that came to America of any skin color or nationality faced great hardship when they first came.

One question to ask some of these whiners which will make their heads explode in rage.... "I'm working on a time travel machine and once I get it done, I'm going back to the beginning of this country and making sure slavery was never ever allowed and anyone that tried it or pushed for it was killed right away. I'd like to see you again, where in the world do you think you'll be when I get back so I can look you up?"..... Watch the riots begin....

I wish it were so simple as "Just forget about it." as you suggest, but its not. Thats like saying "Ignore the splinter in your eye and it will clear up.

You have just once agian demonstrated your (well intentioned) lack of understanding of the situation. I know you think you understand, but you dont and I don have the energy to disect the whole problem back 400 years to show it to you. It wouldnt do any good anyway since you (al) know it all and are apparently, un teachable. Your loss, and if afact all of our loss because with your position the problem will only exacerbate until it explodes...as it is fixing to do.

Maggot out.

 

[Rthur]

zYou need to pay closer attention. I said I remember them, not that they exisst now. But stigmas dont die over night. If you(all) are incapable of understanding that, its not my fault nor responsibility. Live in your attitude, I dont want any part of it.

"Attitude".... nice try at trying to play an authority figure.
Stigmas have been perpetuated by a political "team" to try to gain benefit.
From what I've seen it has worked beyond their wildest dreams.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

I wish it were so simple as "Just forget about it." as you suggest, but its not. Thats like saying "Ignore the splinter in your eye and it will clear up.

You have just once agian demonstrated your (well intentioned) lack of understanding of the situation. I know you think you understand, but you dont and I don have the energy to disect the whole problem back 400 years to show it to you. It wouldnt do any good anyway since you (al) know it all and are apparently, un teachable. Your loss, and if afact all of our loss because with your position the problem will only exacerbate until it explodes...as it is fixing to do.

Maggot out.

I'm always up for a good reading and I'd be very interested to read you dissection of the problems for the past 400 years as I always find it interesting to read other viewpoints and discuss them.
I find debating your ideas with other ideas helps either strengthen them, or revise them to ones with a more concrete foundation, so I'm usually up for that.

My main focus is that you can't endlessly (or so it seems) try to makeup for things done in the past which were the way they were done in the past but are horribly wrong these days.
You especially can't expect anything but ill feelings if you run endless programs which disadvantage people who didn't do anything wrong just because of their race, in order to promote somebody else because of their race to achieve some non specific percentage that will make somebody? feel good?

A more modern comparison might be the previous persecution & marginalization of people who enjoy physical relations with their same gender. Previously discrimination of those people was the law until the law was changed and now many more than before view it as a human right & many more now agree that it's a matter of birth and not choice. (And some still disagree)

Should the police forces and military go on an affirmative action campaign to make sure there are enough leadership slots filled by openly same sex attracted officers to correct the previous open discrimination of them before, or is it best to do as is the current policy, to simply say we drew a line, the past is past and now who you choose to be physically attracted to is not allowed to be used either for or against you & everyone is judged on the same merits.

Set asides in hiring, education, business etc are by their very nature exclusionary, as in "You can't get this slot because you are the wrong race" so it by it's stated purpose continues the perception of problems based on race. To ask if it's fair for current people you'd have to see would it be okay with everybody if it was exactly reversed? If not, then it's not fair to somebody & if it's not fair to somebody, then you are breeding more anger.

Discrimination based on Race (of a darker shade of skin) has been illegal for just about half a century in this country. You will be hard pressed to find people currently applying to join the workforce who were legally oppressed. (Illegally oppressed still happens but is stamped out quickly every time it is brought to court).

(Race in of itself being a bit of a misnomer in this country were a large part of the population are quite mixed and it's really more of a which shade of color are you.
For example President Obama was pretty much exactly 1/2 Caucasian and 1/2 Kenyan, but because the shade of his skin was darker he was identified as being one race based on skin shade only, however based on genes, there is a very good chance one of his grandchildren comes out a much lighter shade of skin color. So technically in liberal speak, Obama was half oppressor and half oppressed). So if for example one of Obama's grandchildren came out very light skin colored is it fine to reverse discriminate against them and say your siblings can have dedicated slots in xxx but not you as you are too light colored? Even most lighter skinned people have a wide variety of mix in their genetic makeup.

On my end my stance is that simply the only way forward is everybody has to compete equally based on ability, merit and other qualifications that apply equally regardless of your race, gender, creed or orientation, unless there is some highly specific need for a narrowing based on that due to only a certain subset being able to do it. This will probably anger some who feel they should have a more than equal chance based on things that happened to others, but that's just the way it has to be unless we want to be stuck in the same spot forever.

So I would be very interested to hear what your solution would be that would be explicitly fair to everyone, as in it passes the both ways test and leaves nobody feeling they were discriminated against? What's the start and end time, end goal specifically in numbers and details etc?

 

[Maggot]

I'm always up for a good reading and I'd be very interested to read you dissection of the problems for the past 400 years as I always find it interesting to read other viewpoints and discuss them.
I find debating your ideas with other ideas helps either strengthen them, or revise them to ones with a more concrete foundation, so I'm usually up for that.

My main focus is that you can't endlessly (or so it seems) try to makeup for things done in the past which were the way they were done in the past but are horribly wrong these days.
You especially can't expect anything but ill feelings if you run endless programs which disadvantage people who didn't do anything wrong just because of their race, in order to promote somebody else because of their race to achieve some non specific percentage that will make somebody? feel good?

A more modern comparison might be the previous persecution & marginalization of people who enjoy physical relations with their same gender. Previously discrimination of those people was the law until the law was changed and now many more than before view it as a human right & many more now agree that it's a matter of birth and not choice. (And some still disagree)

Should the police forces and military go on an affirmative action campaign to make sure there are enough leadership slots filled by openly same sex attracted officers to correct the previous open discrimination of them before, or is it best to do as is the current policy, to simply say we drew a line, the past is past and now who you choose to be physically attracted to is not allowed to be used either for or against you & everyone is judged on the same merits.

Set asides in hiring, education, business etc are by their very nature exclusionary, as in "You can't get this slot because you are the wrong race" so it by it's stated purpose continues the perception of problems based on race. To ask if it's fair for current people you'd have to see would it be okay with everybody if it was exactly reversed? If not, then it's not fair to somebody & if it's not fair to somebody, then you are breeding more anger.

Discrimination based on Race (of a darker shade of skin) has been illegal for just about half a century in this country. You will be hard pressed to find people currently applying to join the workforce who were legally oppressed. (Illegally oppressed still happens but is stamped out quickly every time it is brought to court).

(Race in of itself being a bit of a misnomer in this country were a large part of the population are quite mixed and it's really more of a which shade of color are you.
For example President Obama was pretty much exactly 1/2 Caucasian and 1/2 Kenyan, but because the shade of his skin was darker he was identified as being one race based on skin shade only, however based on genes, there is a very good chance one of his grandchildren comes out a much lighter shade of skin color. So technically in liberal speak, Obama was half oppressor and half oppressed). So if for example one of Obama's grandchildren came out very light skin colored is it fine to reverse discriminate against them and say your siblings can have dedicated slots in xxx but not you as you are too light colored? Even most lighter skinned people have a wide variety of mix in their genetic makeup.

On my end my stance is that simply the only way forward is everybody has to compete equally based on ability, merit and other qualifications that apply equally regardless of your race, gender, creed or orientation, unless there is some highly specific need for a narrowing based on that due to only a certain subset being able to do it. This will probably anger some who feel they should have a more than equal chance based on things that happened to others, but that's just the way it has to be unless we want to be stuck in the same spot forever.

So I would be very interested to hear what your solution would be that would be explicitly fair to everyone, as in it passes the both ways test and leaves nobody feeling they were discriminated against? What's the start and end time, end goal specifically in numbers and details etc?

Well stated,

I see youve given it more tha a cursory thought. In one respect I agree that 'A' way forward is just ot put it all on an equal basis...but it isnt. I grew up in the rural south in the 40's-50's-60's so Ive seen what it was first hand, watched it all un fold, and see where it is now.

As you said, and in point I agree "My main focus is that you can't endlessly (or so it seems) try to makeup for things done in the past which were the way they were done in the past but are horribly wrong these days."

But if youve cut off a mans leg, (which was done to the blacks both economically, and educationally until the civil rights acts of the 60's...it was against the law to teach a black person to read or write for many years) how do you expect him (or her) to compete in a race? Just not acknowledging it doesnt go far.

If you send me a pm Ill go into it a bit but Ive put myself out too often to waste much more energy to get marginalized here by those who have no interest in learning, just pushing their own view.

 

[MtnCreek]

If any of you seek equality, you’ll have to destroy the other races. Equality between the races does not exist; it’s a fucking fairy tail.

 

[The King]

You know, I watch this whole thing and had a realization similar to others here a while ago.

Slavery sucked. But if you COULD go back in time and fix it, you would be essentially genociding 99.999967% of black Americans.

there would be no reason for most Africans to have come here without it, and our demographics would resemble Scandinavia.

 

[...]

You know, I watch this whole thing and had a realization similar to others here a while ago.

Slavery sucked. But if you COULD go back in time and fix it, you would be essentially genociding 99.999967% of black Americans.

there would be no reason for most Africans to have come here without it, and our demographics would resemble Scandinavia.

 

[Maggot]

A skewed way of seeing it but at the bottom line, true.

It is interesting to speculate what America would have been like had salavery never come.

 

[The King]

I think, for me at least, there isn’t any racism in that statement.

I was almost married to an African woman before her family was killed down to almost the last person and she had to return to take care of her brother. The color of her skin meant nothing to me - she was the smartest woman I have ever met and was very high quality personality wise.

i would say, though, that I am aghast at what happened to culture amongst city dwelling folks of all colors, and the horrific attacks upon blacks especially by the democrats in the form of illegal immigration and planned parenthood.

Rap music replaced god, jail replaced college, abortion clinic bills replaced brothers and sisters, and a welfare check replaced Dad. It didn’t end well.

And if you are a White or Hispanic or Asian pants-dragger from the hood I’m not letting you date my daughter either.

 

[spaniel]

The problem with affirmative action is it doesn't address the root causes. When I was in an MBA program, they messaged heavily about their affirmative action criteria. Work was totally team-based and unfortunately you learned pretty early that you needed to determine whether someone was there based off merit or affirmative action, because if the latter you needed to compensate for it. Similarly later on in the corporate world, people who are promoted prematurely based on affirmative action are set up to fail if their skills are not up to snuff. I have seen people separated for cause by HR disproportionately by race because people were promoted faster than their skills could catch up. These types of actions don't do minorities any favors. It's putting an ineffective bandaid on societal issues in place far earlier in their lives. If we need to fix inequality it has to be in the pre-18 educational and societal area, anything later is nothing more than an ineffectual bandaid.

I say this as part of a biracial family. It kind of shocked me the first time someone asked me what it was like to have biracial children. Yes, introducing my future wife to my family, I was initially concerned as being a rural and not diverse area there were some preconceptions at play. But past that, I'd spend zero brain cells considering the status of our children.

 

[spaniel]

You know, I watch this whole thing and had a realization similar to others here a while ago.

Slavery sucked. But if you COULD go back in time and fix it, you would be essentially genociding 99.999967% of black Americans.

there would be no reason for most Africans to have come here without it, and our demographics would resemble Scandinavia.

This is quite ignorant. No, you would have not supported an industry in Africa which stole people from their families and their tribes and put them into the process to feed the slave trade. So while out demographic may have been more European, we would not have supported the type of humanitarian atrocities which the slave trade did. This would not be a "genocide of black Americans".

 

[ArmyJerry]

I lived in Fla, Broward for 15 years, lived all over this country, I found Fla to have the most racial harmony of any state I lived in, its the most libertarian state I ever lived in. I will move from texas when I retire and probably relocate to the pan handle which is half redneck whites and redneck blacks once you get off the beach and out of tallahassee. Fuk all you all with the affirmative action, that shit is for outsiders, these jobs are handed out by your relatives and neighbors, if you go to different parts of municipal government there you will find racial disparity where there are few whites in that same dam town, just because its how things worked out from back in the day generation after generation.

Maggot you sound liek one of them Fairfax liberal scum fuks. what happened to you man.

 

[WaltHer]

Very comforting if you're on the end of the hoseline with them. Nothing to worry about here, please move along. Not cool.

 

[The King]

Virtually every living black black American is the child of transported slaves. No transported slaves = every black American but a comparative handful vanishing into “never happened” land.

My statement may seem ignorant to people that don’t know how babies are made, and that in general your parents have to meet for you to come into existence.

This is quite ignorant. No, you would have not supported an industry in Africa which stole people from their families and their tribes and put them into the process to feed the slave trade. So while out demographic may have been more European, we would not have supported the type of humanitarian atrocities which the slave trade did. This would not be a "genocide of black Americans".

 

[spaniel]

Virtually every living black black American is the child of transported slaves. No transported slaves = every black American but a comparative handful vanishing into “never happened” land.

My statement may seem ignorant to people that don’t know how babies are made, and that in general your parents have to meet for you to come into existence.

Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people, particularly those belonging to the same ethnicity or population. If the slaves had not been brought over here, their descendants would not have been "vanished into never happened land", they would have been born in Africa instead of the US.

Perhaps my labeling of your post as simply ignorant was too kind.

Looking back and saying stopping the slave trade would have resulted in "genocide", and somehow trying to justify or shine any positive light on those behaviors, is beyond stupid. All of the problems in today's inner cities can be traced to the slave trade and the terrible way slaves and former slaves are treated both before and after the Civil War.

I'm done.

 

[oneshot86]

I lived in Fla, Broward for 15 years, lived all over this country, I found Fla to have the most racial harmony of any state I lived in, its the most libertarian state I ever lived in. I will move from texas when I retire and probably relocate to the pan handle which is half redneck whites and redneck blacks once you get off the beach and out of tallahassee. Fuk all you all with the affirmative action, that shit is for outsiders, these jobs are handed out by your relatives and neighbors, if you go to different parts of municipal government there you will find racial disparity where there are few whites in that same dam town, just because its how things worked out from back in the day generation after generation.

Maggot you sound liek one of them Fairfax liberal scum fuks. what happened to you man.

the pan handle is a hidden secret, hell, straight across to j ville is awesome as well

 

[thejeep]

Apparently spaniel is unaware of some of theoretical paradoxes which may or may not take place in time travel and alternant realities.

living near Polk co I can only respond to the title as" well duh!"

 

[ArmyJerry]

Most all the probs in the cities today trace their roots to the great society and the turning of city blacks to democrats with fed gov hand outs. Not a goddam thing to do with slavery you fuking idiot.

Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people, particularly those belonging to the same ethnicity or population. If the slaves had not been brought over here, their descendants would not have been "vanished into never happened land", they would have been born in Africa instead of the US.

Perhaps my labeling of your post as simply ignorant was too kind.

Looking back and saying stopping the slave trade would have resulted in "genocide", and somehow trying to justify or shine any positive light on those behaviors, is beyond stupid. All of the problems in today's inner cities can be traced to the slave trade and the terrible way slaves and former slaves are treated both before and after the Civil War.

I'm done.

 

[Mike Casselton]

living near Polk co I can only respong to the title as" well duh!"

I'm not very far from County Line Rd myself, 39 & Lithia. I hear ya brother!!

 

[thejeep]

Damn it you caught the respong!

 

[Mike Casselton]

Damn it you caught the respong!

I think auto-incorrect got ya

 

[spaniel]

Most all the probs in the cities today trace their roots to the great society and the turning of city blacks to democrats with fed gov hand outs. Not a goddam thing to do with slavery you fuking idiot.

Based on your recent behavior, I am honored to be disconnected from you.

 

[ArmyJerry]

WTF do you mean recent behaviour, I been behaving this way since basic training you asswipe.

Based on your recent behavior, I am honored to be disconnected from you.

 

[oneshot86]

you recent behavior mother fucker

 

[The King]

I think an easy point of contention is who the “they” are. Yes, the Africans who participated in the slave trade would have still had children. But not the SAME children they would have had here.

That’s not even discussing how many children were the offspring of people of European stock and African stock...

and thus, if we could have a machine that had a secondary effect of erasing slavery in the USA at the push of a button I would put three bullets in the thing as fast as possible, because the primary effect of that machine would be the elimination of tens of millions of black Americans.

I would do do the exact same thing to a machine that killed Hitler even though my family was Roma and went in the ovens too.

You would be pushing the the button as fast as you could get to it...

We are all the product of only exactly the events that preceded us and any change to those events would swing deaths scythe across the lands.

As for the multiverse theory, which is currently on top science wise last time I looked, all of that already happened and there was both a universe where slavery never existed AND a universe where someone went back in time and monkeyed with shit. We are just the unfortunates who get to live with slavery in our past, and the very fortunate people who don’t live in the universe where an asteroid hit the earth and there are only 8 slowly freezing survivors.

Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people, particularly those belonging to the same ethnicity or population. If the slaves had not been brought over here, their descendants would not have been "vanished into never happened land", they would have been born in Africa instead of the US.

Perhaps my labeling of your post as simply ignorant was too kind.

Looking back and saying stopping the slave trade would have resulted in "genocide", and somehow trying to justify or shine any positive light on those behaviors, is beyond stupid. All of the problems in today's inner cities can be traced to the slave trade and the terrible way slaves and former slaves are treated both before and after the Civil War.

I'm done.

 

[spaniel]

WTF do you mean recent behaviour, I been behaving this way since basic training you asswipe.

Thank you for clarifying that your recent posts positioning you as a complete piece of inhuman excrement are not a new evolution. I stand corrected.

You have to be a complete retard to not understand how post Civil War racism lead to the marginilization and subsequent socialist dependency of inner city minorities. At some point people need to pull up their boots and own their situation, but slavery and the fallout set this all up.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Subhuman huh, let me think who else liked that term????

 

[FS1]

You have to be a complete retard to not understand how post Civil War racism lead to the marginilization and subsequent socialist dependency of inner city minorities. At some point people need to pull up their boots and own their situation, but slavery and the fallout set this all up.

These things you say have truth to them. But there was a much more modern war that shows what happens when a people refuse to wallow in their own self pity. The Jews were the victims of real genocide and they were also enslaved but the Nazis. They were hated and discriminated throughout the world. Did they wallow in their own self pity...No. What they did was proceed to pull them selves up and not let anyone keep them down. They even formed a Nation in the middle of a people who hate them.

My point is everyone has been down. And nobody but themselves has pulled them back up. But some folks can't ever seem to get themselves up even when offered a hand. Why? Because they have become enslaved by their own hatred. Its easier to blame others for their troubles than to fight their way up and out. This reminds me of that old saying...You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him drink.

 

[MtnCreek]

Do Africans in Africa ack like fucking animals because of slavery too?

 

[Maggot]

You have to be a complete retard to not understand how post Civil War racism lead to the marginilization and subsequent socialist dependency of inner city minorities. At some point people need to pull up their boots and own their situation, but slavery and the fallout set this all up.

This, along with the corruption of the 'Great Society'.