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Your dogs uses rifles as chew toys?

No, just pieces and parts.

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I guess, just seems like a simple tool for a simple task, but not cleaning the cleaning tool is like washing dirty clothes in dirty water and blaming the washer
Exactly. Boresnakes seem good for what they are designed for but most often misused. Their care, feeding and usage seems to be misunderstood by most people using them.

If I were headed into the bush for an extended hunt I would most certainly consider one essential. That said, taping my muzzle or covering my can or muzzel break with a quickly removable cover would be my primary line of defense.
 
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I went 1000 rounds on my last PRS barrel, bore snaked it a few times, then went 1200, snaked and patched it, proper clean, got to 2992 rounds and I retired it. 243ai.

I clean my bolt after every trip however, that is important.

Each to their own I guess.
Agreed to each his own. I certainly don’t try to sway folks one way or the other. I do pay attention to data and anecdotes. I know Mike at Criterion and consider him a reliable source. That said, that article is just one case study.

I have been a “less is more” cleaner. Only recently have my anecdotal observations and the purchase of a borescope swayed me to clean more.

My base opinion on cleaning is, the less you do it the less you’re exposed to toxic chemicals and lead. I think this is perhaps one of the best arguments for cleaning less.

I have an Stainless E Series 1911 that I purchased a few years back. The gun has been a safe queen and fired a few hundred rounds. I cleaned it but not every time. Here in Wyoming we are a semi arid climate, so I don’t worry much. Last spring after a range trip I decided to give it a good cleaning. Much to my utter shock there were pits in the bore. I was astonished given how little the gun had been used. Long story short, with some convincing S&W replaced the barrel. Now I clean and oil that bore every range trip......

My 280AI hunting rifle seems to develop carbon in the chamber causing pressure spikes. This rifle has gone onto a tighter cleaning regiment because of this and is also cleaned and bore/chamber lightly oiled between seasons, during storage.

I am experimenting with this Montana X-treme oil for bore protection. I don’t really buy into the accuracy hype. However the folks at Gun Werks claim an oiled patch and then a dry patch simulate a fouled bore for the first round. They do not recommend this product by name though.

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Agreed to each his own. I certainly don’t try to sway folks one way or the other. I do pay attention to data and anecdotes. I know Mike at Criterion and consider him a reliable source. That said, that article is just one case study.

I have been a “less is more” cleaner. Only recently have my anecdotal observations and the purchase of a borescope swayed me to clean more.

My base opinion on cleaning is, the less you do it the less you’re exposed to toxic chemicals and lead. I think this is perhaps one of the best arguments for cleaning less.

I have an Stainless E Series 1911 that I purchased a few years back. The gun has been a safe queen and fired a few hundred rounds. I cleaned it but not every time. Here in Wyoming we are a semi arid climate, so I don’t worry much. Last spring after a range trip I decided to give it a good cleaning. Much to my utter shock there were pits in the bore. I was astonished given how little the gun had been used. Long story short, with some convincing S&W replaced the barrel. Now I clean and oil that bore every range trip......

My 280AI hunting rifle seems to develop carbon in the chamber causing pressure spikes. This rifle has gone onto a tighter cleaning regiment because of this and is also cleaned and bore/chamber lightly oiled between seasons, during storage.

I am experimenting with this Montana X-treme oil for bore protection. I don’t really buy into the accuracy hype. However the folks at Gun Werks claim an oiled patch and then a dry patch simulate a fouled bore for the first round. They do not recommend this product by name though.

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ever try bore eliminator?

I’ve had good luck with it

 
ever try bore eliminator?

I’ve had good luck with it

No I have not. I usually use KG products but recently added Slip 2000 carbon remover which seems to work very well. Below was the first felt push after soaking for 10-15 minutes and running a nylon brush with the Slip 2000. I have to check my book but I’m sure it had less that 50 rounds since previous cleaning without the slip. I have never gotten a felt that black.

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I was was looking for a bore protectant for after the cleaning. Hence the Bore Conditioner. My hope is that it might delay carbon buildup but that might be optimistic.

I may give that Boretech a try sometime. One thing I like about the products listed above, is that the vapors are not noxious. By example CLP is my go-to on the ARs but that is more noxious than I care for unless I am outside.
 
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Not to dig too far into the analogy, but I know when its time to change my motorcycle oil based on how the transmission feels when shifting, usually a fair bit before the manufacturer recommended interval. Cleaning every range trip is, in my opinion, unnecessary. Lots of factors, some powders are worse than others, every barrel is different etc, but every trip is more than what is necessary in my rifle. YMMV
You want to start a motorcycle oil and tire thread too?
 
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If I were headed into the bush for an extended hunt I would most certainly consider one essential. That said, taping my muzzle or covering my can or muzzel break with a quickly removable cover would be my primary line of defense.
When I'm out and about, I carry the Otis stuff. If I make it back to the vehicle camp, I clean with the rod and bore guide I bring along in the Pelican case. If I stay out and about away from the vehicle, and feel like the bore needs a swipe, I use the Otis stuff. At home, it's always the rods with bore guides. Except for my Garand, M1A and the 10/22 stuff...that stuff all gets cleaned with Otis stuff. I am not set up to go chamber to muzzle with those.
 
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I think this thread conflates the "subjective" with the "objective", while comingling all shooters and weapons into one group or another. It seems obvious to me that the discussion about cleaning regiments should vary based on the weapon, indented use etc, etc. From what I can see, it is a proverbial moving target.

As an example, a gamer shooting 1000s of rounds of match ammo a year differs from say a hunter who only check zero and fires a few well placed rounds over the course of a season. Then there a handguns verse black rifles. Semi autos verses wheel guns. Safe queens verses beaters. Suppressed verses unsuppressed.

In the case of my 280 AI, I have a hunting load but am experimenting with other powders and some factory rounds. I know some of my powder choices have produced inefficient and incomplete powder burns. This may well be the cause of my carbon build ups and pressure spikes.

Furthermore, my evolving position towards cleaning more, may simply boil down to the fact that I shoot suppressed most of the time now. Five years ago I did not own a can.......
 
Had a great range day: took an SRS A2 out with a chrono. Shot consistent .5" groups. Then shot some subsonics - shot shitty groups with those but was in awe at how quiet the whole setup was. My air gun is louder than these subs.

Ran home, got a babysitter lined up for the kiddo, wife is down for a date, day is turning out great buuuuut....

My OCD won't allow my to put a dirty rifle away, so I quickly run a boresnake through. Big #@&$ing mistake. The end of the bore snake gets hung up in the chamber and the damn thing rips. I try to fish around with a couple plastic picks and break the ends of the picks in the chamber.

The bronze brush is out with the piece that snapped off, which is nice I guess, but I have nothing to grab on to, yet.

Tomorrow I'll take the barrel off and see if some needle nose pliers can fish it out. What a cluster...

Anyways, I've used boresnakes before in a pinch and always figured the main issues against them were dragging dirt through your bore or messing up your crown, but I figured only a complete idiot would get his snake stuck.... Lesson learned.
Talk to your Dewey. If you don't have one, get one. Grief. Hate it when things go wrong. But they go wrong constantly, so adapt!
 
Well, we WERE talking dusting off after the prone position.......

Don't let Bosslady hear you talking like that, she WILL superglue you! That's what she threatens me with all the time, if I have any fun.