Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

[Ankeny]

Last summer I bought a Sig p320 X-Ten Comp pistol to pack around in bear country. I still get out a bit, but at 69 years old I went with the comp and a dot. Last week I added 26/70 grit to the frame. Here's a pic:

The damn thing shoots pretty good and I am using Extreme Penetrator bullets so I get plenty of gas to operate the comp. I actually kind of like the thing. Up until recently I haven't really been to concerned about the uncommanded discharge chatter. Well, it looks like Sig can no longer place the blame on the user. Uncommanded discharge is apparently a real thing, albeit very rare. My Sig also has a trigger job by MCarbo consisting of springs and polishing.

I have the opportunity to trade it at the LGS toward a FN 510 Tactical. I know nothing about FN, never even shot one. Online reviews tend to show the 510 is GTG. I do know there are some pretty decent comps being made for the 510T if I want to tame it down. Here's a pic:

If you were walking around in my moccasins, would you just keep the Sig? Am I being paranoid? Also, a buddy of mine tells me that if I go with a different gun, ditch the optic. Shit happens to fast to have a dot in the way. He's a Grandmaster USPSA Production shooter with good vision. I am a former USPSA Limited shooter (GM) with so-so vision, but I still have a good index.

I hope I get some decent opinions on this subject...being the pit and all.

 

[diverdon]

If you bought it because you like it more than other choices then read the manual, and follow the instructions.

If you bought it because the cool kids all have one then sell it and get a 1911. If better to be safe and have a great trigger.

 

[918v]

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[kl3309]

Don't ever put bullets in the Sig and you're GTG.
Orrrrrr, you've lived long enough so appendix carry it with one in the chamber.

That FN 510 coming from together:

 

[MK20]

It's a SIG. Trade it for anything other than a hi point and you are good to go.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

It's a SIG. Trade it for anything other than a hi point and you are good to go.

Keep it for 20 years and it will be rare and coveted and bring big $$$.

When all of then get destroyed and you have an original... collectors will drop to their knees and swallow to get one.

So buy every one you can get for peanuts.

Just 'sayin.

Sirhr

 

[calling4life]

Have any of the 10mms had any issues?

Anyways, check it via this guy's tests, he's got a couple videos.



I have two P320s, both with grayguns triggers, one is a Wilson Combat, which by the way, nobody seems to mention, if these things are truly dangerous, Wilson Combat didn't see it, Parker Mountain machine makes custom P320s. And so on...

But anyway.

I tested both of mine and didn't see any issues, I have no problem carrying mine appendix and do, because they shoot great. Both of mine have manual safeties.

It seems like the proper trigger/trigger bar takes care of things, so I don't know that it really needs to be a huge deal, but that's a personal decision.

 

[Ankeny]

If you bought it because you like it more than other choices then read the manual, and follow the instructions.

If you bought it because the cool kids all have one then sell it and get a 1911. If better to be safe and have a great trigger.

Manual says not to carry/store with a round in the chamber. Kind of dumb to be racking the slide with a pissed off bear heading your way at 40 mph.

 

[918v]

Have any of the 10mms had any issues?

Anyways, check it via this guy's tests, he's got a couple videos.



I have two P320s, both with grayguns triggers, one is a Wilson Combat, which by the way, nobody seems to mention, if these things are truly dangerous, Wilson Combat didn't see it, Parker Mountain machine makes custom P320s. And so on...

But anyway.

I tested both of mine and didn't see any issues, I have no problem carrying mine appendix and do, because they shoot great. Both of mine have manual safeties.

It seems like the proper trigger/trigger bar takes care of things

I saw a video where the tiny parts in the striker assembly broke and caused the problem.

Looking at the firing mechanism in that gun it’s obvious that it is too complicated and fragile. It’s a stereotypical crunchenticker. Whoever designed it is a retard.

 

[kl3309]

320 w/Grayguns parts ND UnCD

 

[Steel+Killer]

I have the Sig M17/P320 it's a great shooting gun, but there is no way I could or will ever rely/trust it as a PDW it sits in the safe and I will probably keep it for the "collectors value" or I may just trade it for something else, but I have lost all faith in it at this point.

 

[nagantguy]

What’s makes me nervous is the amount of possibilities- Sig says it’s bad boosters, bad ammo , poorly trained stupid Americans ,it’s aftermarket triggers or other aftermarket parts.
Others claim it is a flawed design in the trigger sear interface of poorly designed over complicated striker and or sear .
Fuck maybe I’ll pic one up when some runs a smoking deal on PD trade in.

 

[EddieNFL]

What’s makes me nervous is the amount of possibilities- Sig says it’s bad boosters, bad ammo , poorly trained stupid Americans ,it’s aftermarket triggers or other aftermarket parts.
Others claim it is a flawed design in the trigger sear interface of poorly designed over complicated striker and or sear .
Fuck maybe I’ll pic one up when some runs a smoking deal on PD trade in.

All of the above?

 

[hlee]

Keep it for 20 years and it will be rare and coveted and bring big $$$.

When all of then get destroyed and you have an original... collectors will drop to their knees and swallow to get one.

So buy every one you can get for peanuts.

Just 'sayin.

Sirhr

This. Mine didn’t even go in for the trigger “upgrade.”

“Unvaxed,” as it were.

 

[stanley_white]

I would love to see someone who does not believe the design is flawed carry a P320 groin-line, with a round chambered, magazine full, doing CrossFit Fran on YouTube Live with credible witnesses present.

-Stan

 

[Heartstopper]

I have FN 510 and love it. It is a handful to shoot but does shoot very well. I am an FN fan though have several 509s love them all. I think they are very under rated pistol. I did replace the triggers and went with Apex's in all of them along with rmr's. There all the same so nothing changes with the feel of them. Works for me.

 

[jrassy]

I have the Sig 320 M18 with manual safety and a leupold red dot on it. It shoots very well, I have 3 different safariland holsters for it including a Aiwb model . I also have a SUREFIRE x300 light I mount on it. So yep a good bit of money tied up on this gun. However since the reports have come out about the AD/ND whatever I have set it back in the safe and hope Sig will admit a design flaw and provide an improved trigger group, which they should do IMO. Otherwise that platform is going to tank big time.
I have shot the FN pictured but not enough to be able to say yay or nay , kind of like a G19 , it probably just runs great.

 

[nagantguy]

I have the Sig 320 M18 with manual safety and a leupold red dot on it. It shoots very well, I have 3 different safariland holsters for it including a Aiwb model . I also have a SUREFIRE x300 light I mount on it. So yep a good bit of money tied up on this gun. However since the reports have come out about the AD/ND whatever I have set it back in the safe and hope Sig will admit a design flaw and provide an improved trigger group, which they should do IMO. Otherwise that platform is going to tank big time.
I have shot the FN pictured but not enough to be able to say yay or nay , kind of like a G19 , it probably just runs great.

Side note love my older FN P- was replaced by the X .
And all FN and after market support died immediately. But it is a very accurate reliable duty sizes pistol .

 

[EddieNFL]

I would love to see someone who does not believe the design is flawed carry a P320 groin-line, with a round chambered, magazine full, doing CrossFit Fran on YouTube Live with credible witnesses present.

-Stan

I won’t carry anything pointed at my junk, not even my trusted 1911s. No idea what cross fran means, but not into this new pick your gender crap.

 

[stanley_white]

I won’t carry anything pointed at my junk, not even my trusted 1911s. No idea what cross fran means, but not into this new pick your gender crap.

Ok.

-Stan

 

[EddieNFL]

Ok.

-Stan

I was not suggesting you couldn’t appendix carry or hang out with Fran.

 

[stanley_white]

I was not suggesting you couldn’t appendix carry or hang out with Fran.

Maybe stick with football, Eddie.

-Stan

 

[BCP]

but at 69 years old

You need something more age appropriate like a 1911 or a 38 snub nose.

 

[EddieNFL]

Maybe stick with football, Eddie.

-Stan

Not a fan, Stan.

 

[JR_77]

What’s old is now new again.

 

[jrassy]

My next gun will be a wheel gun .357, so yeah, I’m going backwards

 

[redneckbmxer24]

FN is the better option, neither is the best option.

 

[doubloon]

If you were walking around in my moccasins, would you just keep the Sig?

Is it even one that has been flagged for recall. You can check the serial number somwhere.

I have one of the original P320 Nitrons I bought back in 2014 or 2015 ... one that was actually affected by the recall.

I thought about sending it in to get it worked on and made "safe" but never did. Mine is unvaxed as well.

I have carried it nearly every day since I bought it, always chambered. Most often in a Bianchi foldaway (fuck all you haters who think everything needs retention).

I slam it in the plastic holter it came with and toss the whole thing like a basketball into the console safe when I need to. I drop it unceremoniously on the counter at home.

In all that carrying and all the trips to the range it has never once fired on its own. Unless it did it when I wasn't around. But if it did then it reloads itself too, so as long as it carries it's own water I'm good.

 

[Dingodog]

Having a 320 x I wouldn’t trust it till Sig is drug to the table to repair them. FN makes a quality firearm, that said hard to beat a proven Glock. Yes they are a brick, yes they feel like shit, but they go bang when that are supposed to and are super common.

 

[ironpony52]

For more than 35 years, officer-involved accidental discharges with Glocks and Glock-like weapons have been blamed on a lack of training or negligence on the part of the individual cops. What critics should be addressing instead is the brutal reality that short trigger pulls and natural human reflexes are a deadly combination.

 

[ironpony52]

 

[JoshPutman]

I have the Sig 320 M18 with manual safety and a leupold red dot on it. It shoots very well, I have 3 different safariland holsters for it including a Aiwb model . I also have a SUREFIRE x300 light I mount on it. So yep a good bit of money tied up on this gun. However since the reports have come out about the AD/ND whatever I have set it back in the safe and hope Sig will admit a design flaw and provide an improved trigger group, which they should do IMO. Otherwise that platform is going to tank big time.
I have shot the FN pictured but not enough to be able to say yay or nay , kind of like a G19 , it probably just runs great.

Ok, I have no dog in this fight, but I'm curious about something after I read your post.

You say yours has a manual safety. It makes me wonder, of all the 320's that have fired by themselves, how many of them had a manual safety? Any of them?

I'm a 1911 guy, hence my curiosity.

 

[BCP]

My next gun will be a wheel gun .357, so yeah, I’m going backwards

Pretty much, whenever I see a cheap 38 or 357 revolver on the local classifieds I buy it.

 

[doubloon]

For more than 35 years, officer-involved accidental discharges with Glocks and Glock-like weapons have been blamed on a lack of training or negligence on the part of the individual cops. What critics should be addressing instead is the brutal reality that short trigger pulls and natural human reflexes are a deadly combination.

I have mentioned it before. Other guns have problems too but sometimes when it happens with other guns it's an event to be celebrated and applauded.

 

[Maser]

Yet again, revolvers reign supreme when it comes to reliability and safety.

 

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

and no evidence left behind

 

[Tokay444]

Ok, I have no dog in this fight, but I'm curious about something after I read your post.

You say yours has a manual safety. It makes me wonder, of all the 320's that have fired by themselves, how many of them had a manual safety? Any of them?

I'm a 1911 guy, hence my curiosity.

Not quite half, but a few, allegedly.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I have mentioned it before. Other guns have problems too but sometimes when it happens with other guns it's an event to be celebrated and applauded.

Watch another company secure multiple Gov contracts (big money) and watch the internet descend on them.

It's almost like there is an online PR war against them since they got those contracts.

 

[Fig]

I wonder how many people have shot themselves with a Glock "Safety Pistol", and yea, I have an '80s 17L that has "Safety Pistol" right on the box. They were trying to convince American buyers that the trigger safety was enough and you didn't need a manual safety.

I'd venture to say that more people have shot themselves with Glocks than Sigs, but it would be interesting to look at the data if it exists.

I have a 229, and a 360, like them both and would carry them both... The 360, like the G42, is a little big comfortable for pocket carry, and I prefer the LCP MAX.

 

[EddieNFL]

Watch another company secure multiple Gov contracts (big money) and watch the internet descend on them.

It's almost like there is an online PR war against them since they got those contracts.

Let’s see…

M1 - “I’ll keep my Springfield, thank you!”

M14 - “Don’t know why we need it. M1s are battle proven.”

M16 - “Made by Mattel. Bullet is to small.”

M9 - “ Foreign crap, little bullet. Gimme my 1911 “

These are the ones I remember/read. Turn back the clock and we’ll find the 1911 was pooh-poohed as well.

 

[nagantguy]

I wonder how many people have shot themselves with a Glock "Safety Pistol", and yea, I have an '80s 17L that has "Safety Pistol" right on the box. They were trying to convince American buyers that the trigger safety was enough and you didn't need a manual safety.

I'd venture to say that more people have shot themselves with Glocks than Sigs, but it would be interesting to look at the data if it exists.

I have a 229, and a 360, like them both and would carry them both... The 360, like the G42, is a little big comfortable for pocket carry, and I prefer the LCP MAX.

Glock probably has more “incidents “ just by pure numbers .
The Sig 320’s seem to have a few problems- the automatic firing while in a holster ; the ka booms and the expensive ass magazines breaking base plates and vomiting springs and ammo on the deck.
Saw the mag failures on Tranch Grenade and a few other channels .

And big BIG picture - Musk and his boys outta look into - Sig securing so many .gov contracts- pistol - rifle - machine gun- suppressor and optics .
The rifle comes with unique circumstances- be it a good rifle or a great rifle, the U.S. has to build an ammo plant at lake city to feed them , because as of now there to my knowledge is ONE source for their proprietary bi metal case.

So I’m the sales men pitching to you- “it’s new , it’s heavier them what you use now , very expensive- not combat tested O by the way if you buy $3-4 billion dollars worth of them you’d have to build an ammo plant. “
“Sound good?” “Sign here “

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Let’s see…

M1 - “I’ll keep my Springfield, thank you!”

M14 - “Don’t know why we need it. M1s are battle proven.”

M16 - “Made by Mattel. Bullet is to small.”

M9 - “ Foreign crap, little bullet. Gimme my 1911 “

These are the ones I remember/read. Turn back the clock and we’ll find the 1911 was pooh-poohed as well.

When I was a kid my dads 1945 manufactured 1911, which was my grandpa's service pistol was tossed in a seat and fired. Guess its no good either. Mom was fucking livid. Never forget that one.

Btw I fucking love that pistol, just feels solid.

 

[Ankeny]

I had a talk with 3 different employees at a couple of local gun stores about the P320 boondoggle. All of them told me the issue was only with pre-recall 320 guns...so mine is GTG. Problem is, many of the reported self booming 320 pistols are of recent manufacture. Any how, one of the gun counter guys at a LGS told me he really likes his Smith M&P 2.0 10mm. I fiddled around with one, and frankly, I really like the ergonomics. I wasn't impressed with the trigger, but Apex makes a good after market trigger kit. I also checked out the FN 510 and the ported Performance Center Smith 10mm. I bought the non-ported Smith with the 4" barrel, and the Sig 320 is headed to Gun Broker. Thank you for the discussion.

 

[ironpony52]

Not quite half, but a few, allegedly.

I have only heard of one in the military and two guys were walking past each other and their guns bumped together and one discharged. That is the only one I know of.
I still find it weird that with close to 3 million in circulation worldwide why almost all are LE and there are none in the rest of the world, again that I know of.
And it has never been reproduced because if someone was able to do that SIG would be bankrupt right now. Yes I know there are videos ...... if I stick this hair thin "poky thing" right in this little void I can get it to discharge. Really ?? this is a design flaw ??

 

[nagantguy]

The three videos from the other post on this topic - one going off while being holstered, one going off on the firing line holstered and the PA transit cop who’s 320 went off in the holster while riding in a golf cart .

I’m not sure myself it’s a design flaw as it is a quality control of parts / assembly issues.

But what is damning is the sig owners manual that states chamber empty while carrying warning . I’ve never heard of this not owned a weapon system by any maker not even Hi Point that says for best results don’t carry the gun loaded .
In an issue military and LE issued pistol that is insanity.