Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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At 77, I’ve never seen this country so divided, and I went through civil rights and the Vietnam war. Used to be , we could argue, but underneath we were all still Americans. Now, an honest disagreement can get you killed. Politics and religion. Have any two things in the history of man been more divisive, caused more misery and death?
Brought to you by the party that invented the KKK.
 
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They guy paid out of pocket for what probably wasn’t top - tier security.

Aaaand, drone importation bans because Chyyynuuuh View attachment 8768725
There are currently no drone import bans. There are usage restrictions for .gov. There are tariffs. There are also drones made here in the US and other countries around the world that are extremely capable.

Could they have used drones? Maybe, depends on several factors, such as flight restrictions in the area, time to get permission, denials of permission (it does happen), and the ability for the security team to preplan drones routes, etc. All of this is only relevant IF the had an extremely competent drone pilot trained in the specific tactics to perform that mission properly. Otherwise you just have a drone flying around contributing very little.
 
Closed minds are why agendas are always allowed to move forward. When fed & planned properly, the sheep never give events a second thought,...
Following where the evidence leads is the opposite of being closed minded. Allowing your own biases and fears to color the evidence and your conclusions will tend to lead you down blind alleys. That strikes me as more closed minded, or rather one tracked minded, than trying to think critically and objectively follow where the evidence leads. "Exclude the impossible and what is left, however improbable, must be the truth (The Fate of the Evangeline by A. Conan Doyle)". That is to say, when you get evidence that doesn't make any sense you DO have to think outside of the box, and furthermore...qui bono, "Who benefits". There certainly are conspiracies, especially in the halls of power, and always have been. But, everything is not a conspiracy, and even though they can stay secret for a time, they are almost always exposed if they require the complicity of more than a few people, and even then they rarely stay true conspiracies that remain secret.

Of course, doing "investigation" via the internet means it's all second hand. Nothing is primary sources and therefore it's really all speculation and more of a Rorschach for you than the actual event. We have people creating and curating evidence to present what they want to, and you simply have to sift through all of that. That is not to even consider all the internet fakery that goes on.

In this thread there are people willing to die on the hill that the guy jumped off the roof with nothing in his hands looking at grainy, compressed video. The HD video clearly shows him with a long package on the roof, jumping off, and then running with it on the ground. In one video it looks like he might have a plate carrier on, so another guy dies on that hill despite all the other footage clearly showing he isn't wearing armor... Are they using the degraded video and one angle to prove their conspiracy theory? Or, is it an honest mistake (garbage in garbage out)? Really that's an opinion, but there is still an objective reality.

There are many long time members here. We see how each other thinks over the years. We know where people's minds go instantly in reaction to any news. The conspiracy theorist's who distrust the government have racked up an impressive track record since covid. However, when everything is a conspiracy then you have a 100% chance to be right at some point, and everyone says "Wow, I didn't see that coming." Then we have stuff like this where believing it's the Joos, or the Government orchestrated the hit is ridiculous, because things are exactly as they seem, and far from hiding the truth, the government was bending over backwards trying to let everyone know what was happening as-it-was-happening to the point of jumping the gun.
 
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Charlie LITERALLY had done HUNDREDS of on campus talks in the past. With similar, or LESS security. Y'all know this, yes?

Monday morning quarterbacks...

THIS RIGHT HERE FUCKING INFURIATES ME!!! 😡😤🤬

Barring evidence that Charlie refused to comply etc. —>> This security team’s heads should be on pikes!

BONGINO: “It’s fairly easy for me to Monday morning quarterback”

Yeah that is your FUCKING JOB, dumbass!!!...


Couldn't Charlie's "team" have used something simple as a drone flying a programed pattern?
I'm just a dummy asking a dumb question?
 
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Well-played:

Insiders say Musk personally ordered a full audit of all internal communications, demanding to know who reacted with laughing emojis or even acknowledged the joke.
“He wanted names. He wanted accountability,” said a former HR staffer who was also fired.
 
And the threats have been increasing. What's your point?

Have they? That he & his security team was aware of? Actionable threats?

He had been threatened since he started. Hence security TPUSA could AFFORD. Which likely was more simply to provide "presence" of security.

Not head of State level security, which is what he needed. Which VERY FEW can afford. TPUSA couldn't, or they would have...
 
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At 77, I’ve never seen this country so divided, and I went through civil rights and the Vietnam war. Used to be , we could argue, but underneath we were all still Americans. Now, an honest disagreement can get you killed. Politics and religion. Have any two things in the history of man been more divisive, caused more misery and death?
Oh, and by the way, I’m not equating “ religion “ with a belief in God, whatever you wish to call Him. Religions are man made. Enough said.
 
The victories are coming, although they may seem small at first. Last night my YouTube was scanning Livestreams, came across an Amish/Ninja female saying now is the time to ramp up attack of conservatives including violence which I immediately reported as "violent or repulsive content" ; I couldn't stomach that content for more than 20-30 seconds but I received an email from YouTube within 30 minutes that the content was removed!!

Sadly, I don't think that would have happened a week ago- Charlie Kirk being martyred is having a positive effect in many areas.

Just saw a Glenn Beck video discussing whether this celebration about the murder being subject to "cancel culture" is an by attack on the First amendment. Beck argued that while we do have free speech, these videos, comments etc. are encouraging violence and murder by their positive reinforcement of this heinous act which is different that just disagreeing with Charlie's policy/religion (which are free speech/First amendment) are vastly different from celebrating this heinous act. Bill Reilly was just on with Beck stating that this speech and actions will continue as long as the powers in charge (mostly financial but also social -i.e. Google and YouTube) permit it.

We do need to go after these sources - now is the time to highlight their eviI. I just saw Tim Pool on the argument of going after Bezos for the comments their spokesperson, Destiny, had especially after the assassination.

By allowing this content and not censoring creators they are giving permission, justification and twisted moral support of these acts (but are conservatives doing the same when we say "the tree of Liberty is thirsty")?
 
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It's doubtful that Charlie was tapping the shooter's "old lady", sooo...Maybe an old gambling debt, or possibly the shooter practiced there often and this time Charlie just accidentally "got in the way." Yeah, answers are elusive if you really think about it, literally hundreds of possibilities.
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Following where the evidence leads is the opposite of being closed minded. Allowing your own biases and fears to color the evidence and your conclusions will tend to lead you down blind alleys. That strikes me as more closed minded, or rather one tracked minded, than trying to think critically and objectively follow where the evidence leads. "Exclude the impossible and what is left, however improbable, must be the truth (The Fate of the Evangeline by A. Conan Doyle)". That is to say, when you get evidence that doesn't make any sense you DO have to think outside of the box, and furthermore...qui bono, "Who benefits". There certainly are conspiracies, especially in the halls of power, and always have been. But, everything is not a conspiracy, and even though they can stay secret for a time, they are almost always exposed if they require the complicity of more than a few people, and even then they rarely stay true conspiracies that remain secret.
We're going to agree to disagree.
Who has the most to gain from this?
Who is capable of pulling this off & making it look the way most want to read it? Those are always the first questions ask when it's an event that causes such fervor. A LEO's point of view is not what some people look at, when trying to decipher a puzzle where the parts simply fit w/o much thought.
 
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This is definitely worth your attention...

It gives an easier break down of the mindset than the earlier posted one about acceleration. If we're to understand the motive and get to the root cause we need to understand how it developed. Unfortunately --any fix is not so easy. If not impossible.


lol

Dude's a fag/trans apologist with a Ukraine flag icon in his profile and TDS spewed all over his feed; while he was talking, I saw his post about "Zelensky is a genius" and the jig was up. There's a minute and a half I won't get back. Hard pass.

I am blocking you just over the spread of such homo propaganda. :)


Edit: Just watching that shit already made me act like a homo:

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This is definitely worth your attention...

It gives an easier break down of the mindset than the earlier posted one about acceleration. If we're to understand the motive and get to the root cause we need to understand how it developed. Unfortunately --any fix is not so easy. If not impossible.


All due respect to @Samuel Whittemore (who I know for a fact is a very good guy). He was fucking a gay, trans, furry man. You can read whatever you want into his online presence, political beliefs, etc. on gamer chats and his propensity for gamer memes, but I seriously doubt he would murder Charlie Kirk if he WAS NOT FUCKING A GAY, TRANS, FURRY MAN. I am quite sure that CKs Biblical message of sexual temperance/abstinence till marriage rubbed him the wrong way, as it would for anyone who believes they are doing nothing wrong and someone tells them that it is.
Again, I do not see the murder of CK as being particularly "politically" motivated. He certainly wasn't a controversial bomb thrower, and treated everyone with respect, even those with whom he disagreed. He was never going to say he thought premarital sex or homosexual sex was ok, but the former gets dismissed and the latter gets pinged on by the left.
I think the killer felt like he was defending his boyfriend, and that was the biggest motivator of all. To me that's the most obvious and straightforward motive, not all the online stuff, which is indeed somewhat opaque.
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All due respect to @Samuel Whittemore (who I know for a fact is a very good guy). He was fucking a gay, trans, furry man. You can read whatever you want into his online presence, political beliefs, etc. on gamer chats and his propensity for gamer memes, but I seriously doubt he would murder Charlie Kirk if he WAS NOT FUCKING A GAY, TRANS, FURRY MAN. I am quite sure that CKs Biblical message of sexual temperance/abstinence till marriage rubbed him the wrong way, as it would for anyone who believes they are doing nothing wrong and someone tells them that it is.
Again, I do not see the murder of CK as being particularly "politically" motivated. He certainly wasn't a controversial bomb thrower, and treated everyone with respect, even those with whom he disagreed. He was never going to say he thought premarital sex or homosexual sex was ok, but the former gets dismissed and the latter gets pinged on by the left.
I think the killer felt like he was defending his boyfriend, and that was the biggest motivator of all. To me that's the most obvious and straightforward motive, not all the online stuff, which is indeed somewhat opaque.
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FIFY - "He is a GAY, fucking a gay, trans, furry man"
If you stick you dick into a man, you're gay. Doesn't matter if HE has MOOBs.or puts on a costume. YOU'RE GAY
 
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We do need to go after these sources - now is the time to highlight their eviI. I just saw Tim Pool on the argument of going after Bezos for the comments their spokesperson, Destiny, had especially after the assassination.

By allowing this content and not censoring creators
they are giving permission, justification and twisted moral support of these acts (but are conservatives doing the same when we say "the tree of Liberty is thirsty")?
I apologize. Maybe it's me today; but a lot of posts in here are getting more and more absurd/beyond the pale, so forgive my honest criticisms.

...but let me get this straight—You support this 'Tim Poole' argument to go after a business over something his employee said? Next you'll be saying we should go after gun manufacturers for something someone else did with their product, as everyone is culpable?

Moreover, in the the very next sentence, you advocate for censorship while trying to pull out the 'both sides' nonsense? Do I have this right? Look, if someone creates content that violates some law, kick in their doors and do the right thing. Otherwise, GTFO with this.
 

DEI specifically teaches that what Charlie Kirk is saying about a color blind society IS racist. You have to understand the the left turns reality on it's head. Those calling CK a racist are indoctrinated into the critical theory/DIE (im)moral system of human power structures, which is why it is so difficult to actually break through to them. Their ideology literally requires enforced cognitive dissonance as a feature, not a bug. It's twisting communist ideology into a race based model, and it is and has been pushed on universities FOR DECADES.
 
how about this fake bitch and her 'The Oscar winner ' tears

Jamie Lee Curtis sobs over murder of Charlie Kirk as she compares him to JESUS... despite having trans daughter


'Even though I find what his ideas were abhorrent to me, I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith, and I hope whatever 'connection to God' means, that he felt it,' she said.

In her defense, they did just have the Emmy’s and she didn’t get one, maybe she’s trying to get ahead for next year…. Remember, they gave Stephen Colbert 2 Emmys for getting fired
 
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