talk me outta a MOA scope….😳

[learjet]

i know, i know…im not a guy w a bunch of high end optics, have made due over a few decades(yea older guy w 4 grandkids approaching retirement) using mostly super snipers, first the original 10x MIL/MOA versions, then added a couple MIL/Mil ones. grabbed a PH 3-15 many years ago as my lone alpha scope. been doin rimfire comps, and some LR steel shooting w the same scopes ive had forever it seems. Im one scpoe short, for a 300WSM thats been on the back burner for ages, but ive finally been working with and getting some decent results.

anyways i walk into a shop today and see they still have a Tangent Theta 3-15 professional MOA thats been there for over a year, but theyve dropped the price to 2500, could probably get it out the door for closer to 2k cash….tempting, but i gotta admit i feel slightly disadvantaged when i pick up one of my rifles still topped off w a MOA super sniper.

thoughts? all appreciated

lear

 

[diverdon]

I don't see how it will hurt you. The advantage of mils is they make it easier to communicate with others using mils.

It does not sound like you're doing that.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

It's just money, buy it.

 

[MO Fugga]

It's just money, buy it.

Yup. Can't take it with you. Grandkids will just waste it on H&B.

 

[RandoPracticalShooting]

I wouldn’t buy a MOA scope just because the rest of them are MILs. I don’t LIKE using MOA, but it’s unlikely your scope being MOA is what makes you miss.

Get what you want if it’s what you’re looking for.

 

[TurdFerguson]

i know, i know…im not a guy w a bunch of high end optics, have made due over a few decades(yea older guy w 4 grandkids approaching retirement) using mostly super snipers, first the original 10x MIL/MOA versions, then added a couple MIL/Mil ones. grabbed a PH 3-15 many years ago as my lone alpha scope. been doin rimfire comps, and some LR steel shooting w the same scopes ive had forever it seems. Im one scpoe short, for a 300WSM thats been on the back burner for ages, but ive finally been working with and getting some decent results.

anyways i walk into a shop today and see they still have a Tangent Theta 3-15 professional MOA thats been there for over a year, but theyve dropped the price to 2500, could probably get it out the door for closer to 2k cash….tempting, but i gotta admit i feel slightly disadvantaged when i pick up one of my rifles still topped off w a MOA super sniper.

thoughts? all appreciated

lear

Its a good scope and a good price. As others have said, if you dont' plan to announce correction info then fuck it. If your smart enough to run a mil scope, then you are smart enough to go back and forth between MOA and MILS. If I can do it with beetus brain anyone can do it.

 

[Barelstroker]

Yep, you can buy MOA, If'n you're a NANCY BOY.

 

[Hi Velocity]

i know, i know…im not a guy w a bunch of high end optics, have made due over a few decades(yea older guy w 4 grandkids approaching retirement) using mostly super snipers, first the original 10x MIL/MOA versions, then added a couple MIL/Mil ones. grabbed a PH 3-15 many years ago as my lone alpha scope. been doin rimfire comps, and some LR steel shooting w the same scopes ive had forever it seems. Im one scpoe short, for a 300WSM thats been on the back burner for ages, but ive finally been working with and getting some decent results.

anyways i walk into a shop today and see they still have a Tangent Theta 3-15 professional MOA thats been there for over a year, but theyve dropped the price to 2500, could probably get it out the door for closer to 2k cash….tempting, but i gotta admit i feel slightly disadvantaged when i pick up one of my rifles still topped off w a MOA super sniper.

thoughts? all appreciated

lear

If it works for you, buy it.

 

[surgeon260]

One of the best scopes in the world for a 60% discount? I would find a home for it, MOA be damned.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Not sure if there are different levels of dead or a miss between any system, be it MOA, MIL, IPHY or Minute of Duck? Knowing how to operate all systems is an advantage. Go with the system you are best with under high stress, because when its all on the line you will ALWAYS revert to your lowest level of training/usage.

 

[hafejd30]

I converted from moa to mils. I wouldn’t go back but I’m knowledgeable enough to use either and perform the same

Worst case you get it at a steep discount and list it on the px to trade for a MIL model. The downside is if you don’t want to run the moa scope you’ll likely be doing the same thing the shop is doing trying to sell it at a discounted price. But if you buy it at a discount you won’t loose anything

 

[TahoeDust]

I still have not made the move to MILs. The only think I don't like about MOA is the resale value takes a hit...especially here. That opinions will probably change if/when I start shooting PRS. At that price you really don't need to worry about resale. BUY IT

 

[learjet]

I don't see how it will hurt you. The advantage of mils is they make it easier to communicate with others using mils.

It does not sound like you're doing that.

would be some, usually shoot w a spotter, and i remember when we got our first spotting scope w a reticle, suddenly moa was no longer a good option w that mil spotter, that was a game changer for us.

Not sure if there are different levels of dead or a miss between any system, be it MOA, MIL, IPHY or Minute of Duck? Knowing how to operate all systems is an advantage. Go with the system you are best with under high stress, because when its all on the line you will ALWAYS revert to your lowest level of training/usage.

and thats MIL anymore for me…i have my last remaining moa scopes on a varmint plinker 223 bolt gun and an M1a. I hate the thouht of goin on a nice hunt out west or something and screwin the pooch w MOA. the matching turrets and reticle may help. i dunno, its a pretty screamin deal but im not surprised it hasnt sold. ill probably offer 2k for it and get shot down initially, but im good at long sieges, and they will give eventually i bet

 

[learjet]

One of the best scopes in the world for a 60% discount? I would find a home for it, MOA be damned.

I love my old PH, and this reminds me of its better baby brother.

i travel for work alot and come up here where the scope is all summer. i checked the scope out last year but was not interested at the 3800 they were asking. got up here for the first time this year and saw it was still there but marked down, figured id ask here for some thoughts while i consider my options

thx everyone, if i grab it ill post some pix

lear

 

[pangris]

i know, i know…im not a guy w a bunch of high end optics, have made due over a few decades(yea older guy w 4 grandkids approaching retirement) using mostly super snipers, first the original 10x MIL/MOA versions, then added a couple MIL/Mil ones. grabbed a PH 3-15 many years ago as my lone alpha scope. been doin rimfire comps, and some LR steel shooting w the same scopes ive had forever it seems. Im one scpoe short, for a 300WSM thats been on the back burner for ages, but ive finally been working with and getting some decent results.

anyways i walk into a shop today and see they still have a Tangent Theta 3-15 professional MOA thats been there for over a year, but theyve dropped the price to 2500, could probably get it out the door for closer to 2k cash….tempting, but i gotta admit i feel slightly disadvantaged when i pick up one of my rifles still topped off w a MOA super sniper.

thoughts? all appreciated

lear

OK, I'll talk you out of an MOA.

Get an IPHY.

I did when I ordered a USO, and I've never looked back.

#Imperial
#mils=commie

 

[JayOpticspecialist]

i know, i know…im not a guy w a bunch of high end optics, have made due over a few decades(yea older guy w 4 grandkids approaching retirement) using mostly super snipers, first the original 10x MIL/MOA versions, then added a couple MIL/Mil ones. grabbed a PH 3-15 many years ago as my lone alpha scope. been doin rimfire comps, and some LR steel shooting w the same scopes ive had forever it seems. Im one scpoe short, for a 300WSM thats been on the back burner for ages, but ive finally been working with and getting some decent results.

anyways i walk into a shop today and see they still have a Tangent Theta 3-15 professional MOA thats been there for over a year, but theyve dropped the price to 2500, could probably get it out the door for closer to 2k cash….tempting, but i gotta admit i feel slightly disadvantaged when i pick up one of my rifles still topped off w a MOA super sniper.

thoughts? all appreciated

lear

I like an moa scope for hunting, I run a couple. not sure why. i'd get it, but if you'd prefer a mil, i know a guy

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I hate the thouht of goin on a nice hunt out west or something and screwin the pooch w MOA.

Why would that happen? Until the modern internet man came along, we killed things allover this rock with iron sights, wire, or just hunting tactics, albeit we might have been better hunters back then. We did not need cameras, off road rides, an 50BMG's to kill a rabbit. The internet is a self feeding machine, and man has lost a lot of basic skill sets do to it,...

 

[roostercogburn98]

I hate the thouht of goin on a nice hunt out west or something and screwin the pooch w MOA.

Please elaborate

 

[supercorndogs]

The worst part of switching back forth between mil and moa for me is the reticle graduations. I have a couple LH razor 2-10 scopes with MOA reticles, and it takes me a lot longer to find 15.25 moa of holdover vs 3.6 mils on the reticle. For me MOA scopes are mostly a pass even when they seem like a great deal.

 

[taseal]

For the right deal, why not? Just know your numbers when using it. Look at the eliminator series. It doesn’t even have moa or mils. It’s literally unit of dots. Who cares. It’s the same math but n in annoying imperial fractions lol.

 

[pangris]

I am not a Ford V Chevy guy, and I get a kick out of the MOA/MIL debate.

I think in inches/MOA and since I'm almost 50 and don't shoot PRS or something that is forcing me to get to maximum efficiency, I'm not switching.

Works out for me that the market prefers Mil scopes, I'll take the deals on the MOAs.

With apps like applied ballistics, I don't see that it matters much regardless. I might have a very different opinion if I was competing, but I tend to use scopes with enough reticle that I'm not adjusting knobs and know my drops out to the ranges I'll actually shoot.

And, I still applaud USO for offering IPHY because not kidding that my FDN17 is indeed in plain old inches. I've managed to shoot out to 1000 with it on an 18" 308 nonetheless.

Sub MIL for sewer rat.

 

[supercorndogs]

It seems like thinking in inches usually shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how MOA and millradiands work.

 

[taseal]

It seems like thinking in inches usually shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how MOA and millradiands work.

I mean 1 mil is 10 centimeters at 100 meters. Every click at 1/10 is 1 cm

And 1 moa at 100 yards is 1 inch which is .25 moa per click in a 1/4 turret.

If you prefer 1 mil is 3.6 inches at as each click is .9 inches, be my guest.

Mils work best with metric unit and moa work best with imperial.

When people use yards with the mil system it drives me nuts. If one is going to adopt the mil system, everything is so much easier with meters and centimeter.

Reminds me of how army used to use the 10x Leupold with mil dots and moa turrets lol

 

[spife7980]

I mean 1 mil is 10 centimeters at 100 meters. Every click at 1/10 is 1 cm

And 1 moa at 100 yards is 1 inch which is .25 moa per click in a 1/4 turret.

If you prefer 1 mil is 3.6 inches at as each click is .9 inches, be my guest.

Mils work best with metric unit and moa work best with imperial.

When people use yards with the mil system it drives me nuts. If one is going to adopt the mil system, everything is so much easier with meters and centimeter.

Reminds me of how army used to use the 10x Leupold with mil dots and moa turrets lol

Also, 1yard=.1mil@1000yards.

It’s angles, derp.
You don’t need any linear measurements period.
Maybe try learning how it works before you try teaching.

 

[supercorndogs]

I mean 1 mil is 10 centimeters at 100 meters. Every click at 1/10 is 1 cm

And 1 moa at 100 yards is 1 inch which is .25 moa per click in a 1/4 turret.

If you prefer 1 mil is 3.6 inches at as each click is .9 inches, be my guest.

Mils work best with metric unit and moa work best with imperial.

When people use yards with the mil system it drives me nuts. If one is going to adopt the mil system, everything is so much easier with meters and centimeter.

Reminds me of how army used to use the 10x Leupold with mil dots and moa turrets lol

What is easier with mils and meters, and how does that pertain to shooting?

Why would my dope chart only say 3.5 mils for 600 yards. And give a 10mph wind correction in mils.

 

[Rob01]

Anytime someone starts saying “I think in inches” to show why they use moa I just chuckle and ignore them as they have no clue on what they are talking about. lol

If you are bringing linear into it you are doing it wrong.

 

[DownhillFromHere]

Lemme see heah, y'all. I look through my scope and it has this scale thingie that's supposed to be in something called "milliradians" or "mils." It looks t'me like .2 mils is .2 mils no matter how far away the target is.

I used to have scopes that were labeled in moa's. I remember looking through them and seeing that one moa was one moa no matter how far away the target was.

But if I don't know how far away the target is, how can I figure out how many inches I need to correct?

How many inches are there in a circle? Is it easier to figure out how many centimeters are in a circle and multiply by 10 to get millimeters?

I'm looking out the window and seeing the sun 5 inches above the horizon so it must be time for breakfast....

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Who cares what you use as long as the hole is where you want it. Conformity is laughable,...

 

[supercorndogs]

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[LeftyJason]

I am not a Ford V Chevy guy, and I get a kick out of the MOA/MIL debate.

I think in inches/MOA and since I'm almost 50 and don't shoot PRS or something that is forcing me to get to maximum efficiency, I'm not switching.

Works out for me that the market prefers Mil scopes, I'll take the deals on the MOAs.

With apps like applied ballistics, I don't see that it matters much regardless. I might have a very different opinion if I was competing, but I tend to use scopes with enough reticle that I'm not adjusting knobs and know my drops out to the ranges I'll actually shoot.

And, I still applaud USO for offering IPHY because not kidding that my FDN17 is indeed in plain old inches. I've managed to shoot out to 1000 with it on an 18" 308 nonetheless.

Sub MIL for sewer rat.

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I mean 1 mil is 10 centimeters at 100 meters. Every click at 1/10 is 1 cm

And 1 moa at 100 yards is 1 inch which is .25 moa per click in a 1/4 turret.

If you prefer 1 mil is 3.6 inches at as each click is .9 inches, be my guest.

Mils work best with metric unit and moa work best with imperial.

When people use yards with the mil system it drives me nuts. If one is going to adopt the mil system, everything is so much easier with meters and centimeter.

Reminds me of how army used to use the 10x Leupold with mil dots and moa turrets lol

0.001" @ 1 inch is = 1 mil
1 foot length @ 1000 feet length = 1 mil
3.6" @ 3600" = 1 mil
1 mile @ 1000 miles = 1 mil
1 light year @ 1000 light years = 1 mil
1 (insert unit) @ 1000 (insert units) = 1 mil

Every one is the exact same size.

Btw 1moa = 1.047". It matters.

Are you accurate to less than half a bullet diameter in every one of your shots? If not it doesn't matter which you choose but don't talk out of your butts about things you think you understand but don't.

I agree on the leupold crap. That sucked. First scope was a mark ar 3-9x40 sfp. Gave to my FIL to replace a broken tasco on a never dialed beyond zero 22lr.

 

[taseal]

Lmao this shit turned south real quick.

Use what you want. I was just using examples of the angular differences with MOA vs mils. jesus almighty.

Got my ass whopped here and got called names for trying to explain.

I've always hated MOA and the fractions. 1/3, 1/8... mils are in tenths. It's so much easier. just like the metric system.

yeah I get it, it's angular and just the same way I've used in the military. our compasses have it. When getting your EIB, you have to range distances with a mil binocular in meters.

It's not linear, but things in tenths are just easier, just like the metric system. imperial is not in tenths and just gets more confusing.

Good god. lemme go to the Dr to get my bruises checked from the beating I just had.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Lmao this shit turned south real quick.

Always has, even back in the first days here. People always trying to justify their newly found ways to do XYZ task w/ ZYX tool. It matters little on what you use to task out,... as long as you can task out.

 

[taseal]

Always has, even back in the first days here. People always trying to justify their newly found ways to do XYZ task w/ ZYX tool. It matters little on what you use to task out,... as long as you can task out.

Been here longer than the rookie kid who called me derp, I've seen it when I first started shooting. I got made fun of for being the only mil guy in swat sniper school.

I'm used to it. lol

I'll never forget the first time I made a post here like 15 years ago and asked for help in building my first "sniper rifle". I got TORN to shreds for calling it that lol.

 

[Rob01]

It turns to shit when people bring linear into it like it matters in an angular discussion. It doesn’t. MOA or Mils will work and anyone who has done this long enough knows that but they also know neither is tied to any linear and if you are out shooting and start thinking “how many inches do I need to adjust” you are doing it wrong.