Wow the Big Horn seems pretty attractive. being able to swap barrels like that is also very nice as long as their is no compromise in accuracy.
Wow the Big Horn seems pretty attractive. being able to swap barrels like that is also very nice as long as their is no compromise in accuracy.
I guess it might have been bad, I've only ever used 1 tempest so I don't have a reference, but I was not impressed. It probably comes back to me not liking 3 lug ~60° type actions. Just a personal preference I guess, but I see a bunch of negatives and zero upside to the design model. I always feel like I'm constantly fighting a 3 lug, where 90° 2 lugs take zero attention, it's just a natural, subconscious action. And it's not that I haven't tried, I've tried like hell to like a 3 lug.
As far as the TL3, yes, bolt play at the end of extraction, the bolt can get sticky there, but you learn to run it without issue in no-time, and once you have they are a very smooth action. 105/5 might be standard, but it feels quite heavy on an M5, whereas a TL3 feels very light.
if going from 90 to 60 degrees give you that much headache...i bet your shoes are velcro instead of laces lol
ive run nothing but my AI in matches for like 3 yrs, but i can still jump on my 90 degree actions and run them just the same...i just raise my right hand a couple inches higher
If you could find half decent quality velcro shoes, then ya, I'd be that guy
I guess it might have been bad, I've only ever used 1 tempest so I don't have a reference, but I was not impressed. It probably comes back to me not liking 3 lug ~60° type actions. Just a personal preference I guess, but I see a bunch of negatives and zero upside to the design model. I always feel like I'm constantly fighting a 3 lug, where 90° 2 lugs take zero attention, it's just a natural, subconscious action. And it's not that I haven't tried, I've tried like hell to like a 3 lug.
As far as the TL3, yes, bolt play at the end of extraction, the bolt can get sticky there, but you learn to run it without issue in no-time, and once you have they are a very smooth action. 105/5 might be standard, but it feels quite heavy on an M5, whereas a TL3 feels very light.
Hearing that the Big Horn has more clearance than others is not what I was hoping to hear. This rifle will be coddled so tolerances can be tight. And yes I plan to run shouldered barrels, I was speaking more to the floating/swapable bolt head of the BigHorn. So hmm maybe I have more decisions to make. Maybe I should have respecified smooth AND tight. I'm basically looking for benchrest accuracy thats going to wear a KMW stock.
Hearing that the Big Horn has more clearance than others is not what I was hoping to hear. This rifle will be coddled so tolerances can be tight. And yes I plan to run shouldered barrels, I was speaking more to the floating/swapable bolt head of the BigHorn. So hmm maybe I have more decisions to make. Maybe I should have respecified smooth AND tight. I'm basically looking for benchrest accuracy thats going to wear a KMW stock.
the regular BATs are by far the smoothest. Their benchrest models even more so. Add some melonite to them and they are insanely smooth. The BAT Tacticals are a bit sloppy in my opinion...similiar to a Defiance. Smoother than a Stiller...but not as smooth as a regular BAT.
Ive never been impressed with the Templars. Similar to a Stiller if you ask me.
I personally have a variety of BATs and Stillers. And have handled Defiance, Big Horns, Bordens, Templars, and Surgeons.
You want benchrest? You're on the wrong forum asking the wrong questions. Are you capable of printing a 3" group at 1000 yards? I'm pretty sure all my sloppy Bighorns will outshoot you.Hearing that the Big Horn has more clearance than others is not what I was hoping to hear. This rifle will be coddled so tolerances can be tight. And yes I plan to run shouldered barrels, I was speaking more to the floating/swapable bolt head of the BigHorn. So hmm maybe I have more decisions to make. Maybe I should have respecified smooth AND tight. I'm basically looking for benchrest accuracy thats going to wear a KMW stock.
Not sure wft you are talking about, but this statement has no basis in reality. Please don't repeat this silliness to anyone.My understanding is the Bighorn is designed for field use. The floating bolt head means they could add clearance between the bolt body and action for reliability when dirty while maintaining very tight and repeatable lockup. The floating bolt head also eliminates or at least mitigates bolt bounce. It really doesn't matter how loose the bolt is during its travel, it just depends on how tight it locks up.
You want benchrest? You're on the wrong forum asking the wrong questions. Are you capable of printing a 3" group at 1000 yards? I'm pretty sure all my sloppy Bighorns will outshoot you.
Not sure wft you are talking about, but this statement has no basis in reality. Please don't repeat this silliness to anyone.
Uh, which part was bullshit?Not sure wft you are talking about, but this statement has no basis in reality. Please don't repeat this silliness to anyone.
I hear ya. My Tempest has been one of the smoothest actions i've ever used. Even to date it remains that way. I do get what you were saying about leaving it bare as it was a tad smoother bare than when it got back form DLC but lubed the difference is almost not perceivable. I honestly love the 60 degree throw, for me it doesn't feel all that much different from my 700 or dad's SR3 re-cocking, little tougher than my remington but that's about it. I feel that i'm quicker with it, i also run it pretty hard when i'm using it. Which truthfully i think comes with the territory it just seems you have to run 3-lugs deliberately to make them feel right. My Sako 85 on the other hand is extremely hard to re-cock after firing a round.
Planning on running my TL3 bare for probably the next year less i find some time and money to get it DLC'd. Eager to get it in.
This is going a bit off topic but we're on smoothness of actions which will inherently lead to coating. Has anyone tried Cerakote Elite?
I’ve since gotten my TL3 DLCd and it really didn’t stop the binding. So i got the bolt cerakoted with elite cerakoted. Since my buddies that was completely done in elite cerakoted didn’t have this issue.I believe there is 1 or 2 people in the TL3 build pic thread that had their actions cerakoted By whoever Big Horn uses before being shipped out to them. I’ve heard elite only helps TL3s.
Any improvement?I’ve since gotten my TL3 DLCd and it really didn’t stop the binding. So i got the bolt cerakoted with elite cerakoted. Since my buddies that was completely done in elite cerakoted didn’t have this issue.
Any improvement?
Everyone knows the smoothest action is the Krag-Jorgenson.
Not kidding. have had two of them.You might have been kidding when you wrote this, but I've since acquired a Krag and I would like to change my vote from Tikka to Krag. It is without a doubt the smoothest rifle action I've ever felt. It's outdated and too weak for any modern cartridge, but feels like it's on bearings.
Had a defiance and it's a binding bitch even dlc
Got my Gap tempest and loved it but sold it as I was stupid..
Got a surgeon not liked it and I tried a TL3 and even tho a good action it's binding.
Now I run an Impact and I cannot be happier. Smooth as glass, cannot bind. That's the best 90 degree action.
The best 60 degree would be the tempest but I'd like to test the Curtis someday.
Is it silly to want an Impact, Curtis, TL3 etc that has tight enough tolerances that you can order barrels online without the action? Just seems so much easier to me than sending my action to a smith. I know they then won’t need the action to spin another one but that means that you are stuck with that barrel maker until you send your action in to another. Seems like it could be a pain. I like the tempest features but don’t want to go through that barrel headache. So maybe an impact or Curtis then.
You can do the same for the tempest. Once the Smith has used your action they should have the dimensions and should be able to spin up a barrel for you without the action in hand. Least i could’ve sworn one of the smiths here told me that.
There was a point before the tempest hit the market that i believe George was going to do just that. Provide barrels for the tempest. Though my memory might be faulty. This was like the early tempest days before they changed the design a bit.
Impact Precision and Lone Peak! Trust me I've tried more actions than most, you name it and I've either used it, or owned it. The Impact and Lone Peak are the best two if you don't want binding. Plus they have super nice and easy bolt lifts. Soooo smooth.
Plus their customer service is great! I've been nothing but pleased with my experiences with both companies.
Impact Precision and Lone Peak! Trust me I've tried more actions than most, you name it and I've either used it, or owned it. The Impact and Lone Peak are the best two if you don't want binding. Plus they have super nice and easy bolt lifts. Soooo smooth.
Plus their customer service is great! I've been nothing but pleased with my experiences with both companies.
Does the lone peak need to be sent to a Smith first? Doesn’t look like PVA has a prefit for it etc
How is the action timing on the Lone Peak?
I'd give Lone Peak a call. I called them a couple months ago and they said they were JUST about to change up their actions so that they would be able to take off-the-shelf prefit barrels just like Impact Precision. So as far as I know, the newer actions may have the capability to take shouldered pre-fits, but I don't know for sure. And it seems maybe that not a lot of gunsmiths are aware of it. I'd give em' a call.
PS: They also increased the size of their bolt stop with the latest batch.
Is it silly to want an Impact, Curtis, TL3 etc that has tight enough tolerances that you can order barrels online without the action? Just seems so much easier to me than sending my action to a smith. I know they then won’t need the action to spin another one but that means that you are stuck with that barrel maker until you send your action in to another. Seems like it could be a pain. I like the tempest features but don’t want to go through that barrel headache. So maybe an impact or Curtis then.